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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:25 pm
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With all this talk of penetration some that's what she said jokes are in order.


As for shotguns with threaded barrels and steel shot aren't there sabots in shot shells anyway that could act as a buffer?


"I got so much penetration in the target that I hit my neighbor's wall"

"That's what she said"

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:38 pm
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OberFeldwebel
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At in-home distances, scatter of shot is not exactly even OPTIMAL, it actually doesn't spread that much at all. Every single pellet of #3 hit a human steel silhouette fairly close together at <7 yards, the average distances of my house.



Rifled barrel would fix that.

But still that's more spread that you'd get with a solid projectile.
And there's a higher chance of that solid projectile MISSING, and then penetrating your exterior wall. As well as having a much higher chance of overpenetration of the target in ANY serious rifle round. It also imparts more kinetic energy into the target than a pistol. It's a middle ground, that has been adapted SPECIFICALLY for close/mid combat. My 20g hits harder, and with less chance of overpentration, than my 7.62TOK, and that's a pistol round.

It would be hell to shoot an intruder, and then find out the round penetrated him, your inner walls, your EXTERIOR wall, and then your neighbor's home.


I heard that 7.62Tok with lead cast bullets are balistically comparable to .357s.
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No, use the buckshot in the threaded barrel, it'll start spreading instantly.

Apparently Steel shot will damage a rifled barrel, lead is fine though.


The leadshot will foul up your rifling, but it's an easy clean if you set up one of those electrolosis cleaning systems.

And]http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php?topic=31740.0
And just where do I find those?
Because not all of us have reloading setups, or casting equipment. It's balistically comparable, but EVERYTHING that's factory/surplus for TOK is FMJ (and Wolf makes a JHP, but no one seems to carry it). As well, just looking at the feed ramp, the markings left on it from feeding, lead bullets can be deformed. Hand-cycling the CZ shows that it hits the feed ramp pretty hard.

Some people sell reloads. There used to be JHP for 7.62Tok but can't find any sources of them.

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There's a photo of the evasive JHP.


Holy crap! Lucky times!

http://east.outdoormarksman.com/product_info.php?products_id=53099

There's a source.
Wolf to boot.  

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:44 pm
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Is that Portuguese?  
PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:26 pm
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Is that Portuguese?


Probably. Doing a bit of searching it is.


Wolf is Russian,
Prvi is Serbian and Fiocci is Italian I think. So, is there any big deal?  

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 12:20 am
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Is that Portuguese?


Probably. Doing a bit of searching it is.


Wolf is Russian,
Prvi is Serbian and Fiocci is Italian I think. So, is there any big deal?
No, I've just never heard of anything gun-related originating from Portugal.  
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 6:07 am
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Is that Portuguese?


Probably. Doing a bit of searching it is.


Wolf is Russian,
Prvi is Serbian and Fiocci is Italian I think. So, is there any big deal?
No, I've just never heard of anything gun-related originating from Portugal.


Yeah I haven't either.  

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:59 pm
OberFeldwebel
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Is that Portuguese?


Probably. Doing a bit of searching it is.


Wolf is Russian,
Prvi is Serbian and Fiocci is Italian I think. So, is there any big deal?
No, I've just never heard of anything gun-related originating from Portugal.


Yeah I haven't either.


It might be Spanish, but I haven't seen enough Portuguese to know the difference  
PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:09 pm
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Is that Portuguese?


Probably. Doing a bit of searching it is.


Wolf is Russian,
Prvi is Serbian and Fiocci is Italian I think. So, is there any big deal?
No, I've just never heard of anything gun-related originating from Portugal.


Yeah I haven't either.


It might be Spanish, but I haven't seen enough Portuguese to know the difference
AFAIK, there's no 'Ç' in Spanish.  

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:31 am
No it is Portuguese.

Look up the brand name FNM.  
PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 4:05 am
Wait, I found a gun made in Portugal.  

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2009 5:15 am
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Uh oh, hot dog!  
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