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 Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:50 am
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Dude you're insane you can't prove Islam is wrong , and I will tell you some miracles at the next posts . biggrin Just you watch me. You're not listening to anything I say. I quoted you the verse and told you what it meant. Just understand that you can't pretend it means something else. It's not enough to say that Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu, as I think He was called in Aramaic) was a prophet. He was the Son of God, and He died, then came back to life three days later. He was not a prophet, and as Spike said (I quoted it below), we don't believe in the same Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu; whatever you want to call Him. After all, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) Secondly, this is something someone in a guild I'm in said. (You're welcome to join the guild to have debates with us, if you want. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/?guild_id=16153)Spike Zantren
I really can't put up with debating with Muslims. They just constantly take verses out of context and once they've been refuted, they just continue to repeat the same thing because they don't listen. They don't want to listen. If you want ammunition though, I'd recommend watching those James White debates I've been telling you about.
James White vs Jalal Abdualrub: Is Jesus Christ God? (Most Recommended)
James White vs Osama Abdullah: New Testament Reliability (Recommended)
James White vs Farhan Qureshi: Did Jesus Christ Claim to be God?
Trinity vs Oneness Debate
James White vs Imam Shamsi
James White vs Nadir Ahmed
James White vs Abdullah al-Andalusi
EDIT: It might also be worth noting that Allah is a Pagan Moon God and that Jehovah is not Allah in any way, shape, or form (also, the Muslim Isa is not Jesus Christ in any way either). Also that the Quran claims that Christians are polytheists and that we believe in three gods, God, Jesus and Mary. Now, if the Quran was really the book of Allah, it would make sense if the almighty powerful Allah would actually understand what Christians believed."They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three [in a Trinity]: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." Qur'an 5:73"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." Qur’an 5:116
I find it curious that both the New Testament and Old Testament would come from the Hebrews (God's chosen people), but the supposed continuation of that would come from the Arabs, who despise the Jews. They also claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but that's not what the Quran says.[The following is taken from the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM) You can click here to see all of their articles on Islam]: * Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).1 * Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163). * Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3). Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46). Of course the Muslims in that guild will probably play games with you, saying that it can't be true because it's in English, but ask them if they can even read and understand the Quran in Arabic before believing such silly things. I guess Hitler's book, "Mein Kampf" doesn't really mean what it says in the English translation because it's corrupted, oooh. Maybe Hitler was an okay guy after all. I mean, we can't believe what he wrote in Main Kampf, because that's corrupted. Maybe the entire book was Hitler's apology to the Jews for what he did. We must now hold a parade in the Fuhrer's honour for being such a kind and chivalrous man! [/sarcasm]
I'm supposed to be doing a series of articles on various topics and Islam was a little lower on my list, but in light of this I might go ahead and write it sometime soon. Though I can't guarantee that since I already try to do too many projects at once.I'd also like to point you to Muslims dreaming of Jesus and being saved [converting to Christianity] through them. I know someone who prayed for his Muslim friend, and his friend was saved through a dream. There are also lots of things on the Internet about it, and testimonies you can research and verify. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyayndwXQ4http://www.jesusvisions.org/index.shtmlJesus is God, not just a prophet. You have to understand that we do not believe the same thing in that respect. Jin Saga Im only referring to the Bible. on why you see the Profit Mohamed as a False profit? while He's true according to the Bible? You're not reading what I say, are you? Voldemort point two Has Muhammad (pbuh) actually made any prophecies? Because the passage of the Bible you say is true says that that's how people know if Muhammad (pbuh) is the true prophet. You don't seem to be paying attention to what I say, so I'll give you the list: [cropped for length. The list is still there, if you want to check it out] Voldemort point two Basically what that means is that what the Prophet said would come true. Jesus' words have definitely came true. Did anything Muhammad (pbuh) say come true? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking. The thing you said about the moon isn't a prophecy; it's something that had already happened. Satan knows a lot about the world, and it was him who gave Muhammad (pbuh) the Qur'an. Has anything that Muhammad (pbuh) said, or wrote in the Qur'an that has come to pass? That's what I'm asking you. Because Jesus said that Jerusalem would be invaded by the Romans. In AD 77, it was. Not a single stone was left on top of the other, just like Jesus said would happen. And Jesus' prophecies of the end times have come true, as well. I just pray that you'll see the truth before the Bible's final prophecy comes true: "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I believe I just did. If you want more stories of miracles, I can get them for you. Heck, I can get a lot just from my own personal experience. Just out of interest, what are your personal experiences of Islam? What does it feel like when (you believe) Allah is speaking to you, moving in you? Just in case you didn't read it, here's a summary: -You're not listening to me. -Spike Zantren is amazing, read his rant. -What has Muhammad (pbuh) said will happen in the future? -What are your personal experiences of Islam?
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:42 am
dude did you open any of the links we gave you ? xd
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:52 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:01 pm
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER dude did you open any of the links we gave you ? xd Whoa. Whooooooooooooa. You totally shot me down there! I loved the "Islam doesn't need miracles to proove it" thing in one of the videos. I'd also like to point out that the Devil has power over the natural world, so things like the Ruku tree might not be from God. The spider's web could be a fake (so could the tree, actually. There are ways of making trees grow certain ways. So could the name on the mountain... actually, it looks similar to the Nazca lines in the video.) Now, please read my entire post and answer the questions I put to you. I did click your links, now please read my post and actually answer. I spent my whole afternoon writing that post, not because I want to be proved right; I already know I'm right. I'm trying to convince you of the Truth. Please, just take the time to think about it. If you don't think about other views, how can you know that yours is the right one? Plus, it's downright rude to ignore someone's post in a debate. EDIT: So, do you want a list of miracles that the one true living God performed, rather than Satan? I can get them for you, but I'm not going to waste time if you just keep on giving me this regurgitated nothing I can tear wide open.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:04 am
Voldemort point two EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Dude you're insane you can't prove Islam is wrong , and I will tell you some miracles at the next posts . biggrin Just you watch me. You're not listening to anything I say. I quoted you the verse and told you what it meant. Just understand that you can't pretend it means something else. It's not enough to say that Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu, as I think He was called in Aramaic) was a prophet. He was the Son of God, and He died, then came back to life three days later. He was not a prophet, and as Spike said (I quoted it below), we don't believe in the same Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu; whatever you want to call Him. After all, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) Secondly, this is something someone in a guild I'm in said. (You're welcome to join the guild to have debates with us, if you want. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/?guild_id=16153)Spike Zantren
I really can't put up with debating with Muslims. They just constantly take verses out of context and once they've been refuted, they just continue to repeat the same thing because they don't listen. They don't want to listen. If you want ammunition though, I'd recommend watching those James White debates I've been telling you about.
James White vs Jalal Abdualrub: Is Jesus Christ God? (Most Recommended)
James White vs Osama Abdullah: New Testament Reliability (Recommended)
James White vs Farhan Qureshi: Did Jesus Christ Claim to be God?
Trinity vs Oneness Debate
James White vs Imam Shamsi
James White vs Nadir Ahmed
James White vs Abdullah al-Andalusi
EDIT: It might also be worth noting that Allah is a Pagan Moon God and that Jehovah is not Allah in any way, shape, or form (also, the Muslim Isa is not Jesus Christ in any way either). Also that the Quran claims that Christians are polytheists and that we believe in three gods, God, Jesus and Mary. Now, if the Quran was really the book of Allah, it would make sense if the almighty powerful Allah would actually understand what Christians believed."They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three [in a Trinity]: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." Qur'an 5:73"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." Qur’an 5:116
I find it curious that both the New Testament and Old Testament would come from the Hebrews (God's chosen people), but the supposed continuation of that would come from the Arabs, who despise the Jews. They also claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but that's not what the Quran says.[The following is taken from the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM) You can click here to see all of their articles on Islam]: * Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).1 * Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163). * Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3). Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46). Of course the Muslims in that guild will probably play games with you, saying that it can't be true because it's in English, but ask them if they can even read and understand the Quran in Arabic before believing such silly things. I guess Hitler's book, "Mein Kampf" doesn't really mean what it says in the English translation because it's corrupted, oooh. Maybe Hitler was an okay guy after all. I mean, we can't believe what he wrote in Main Kampf, because that's corrupted. Maybe the entire book was Hitler's apology to the Jews for what he did. We must now hold a parade in the Fuhrer's honour for being such a kind and chivalrous man! [/sarcasm]
I'm supposed to be doing a series of articles on various topics and Islam was a little lower on my list, but in light of this I might go ahead and write it sometime soon. Though I can't guarantee that since I already try to do too many projects at once.I'd also like to point you to Muslims dreaming of Jesus and being saved [converting to Christianity] through them. I know someone who prayed for his Muslim friend, and his friend was saved through a dream. There are also lots of things on the Internet about it, and testimonies you can research and verify. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyayndwXQ4http://www.jesusvisions.org/index.shtml
Jesus is God, not just a prophet. You have to understand that we do not believe the same thing in that respect. Jin Saga Im only referring to the Bible. on why you see the Profit Mohamed as a False profit? while He's true according to the Bible? You're not reading what I say, are you? Voldemort point two Has Muhammad (pbuh) actually made any prophecies? Because the passage of the Bible you say is true says that that's how people know if Muhammad (pbuh) is the true prophet. You don't seem to be paying attention to what I say, so I'll give you the list: [cropped for length. The list is still there, if you want to check it out] Voldemort point two Basically what that means is that what the Prophet said would come true. Jesus' words have definitely came true. Did anything Muhammad (pbuh) say come true? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking. The thing you said about the moon isn't a prophecy; it's something that had already happened. Satan knows a lot about the world, and it was him who gave Muhammad (pbuh) the Qur'an. Has anything that Muhammad (pbuh) said, or wrote in the Qur'an that has come to pass? That's what I'm asking you. Because Jesus said that Jerusalem would be invaded by the Romans. In AD 77, it was. Not a single stone was left on top of the other, just like Jesus said would happen. And Jesus' prophecies of the end times have come true, as well. I just pray that you'll see the truth before the Bible's final prophecy comes true: "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I believe I just did. If you want more stories of miracles, I can get them for you. Heck, I can get a lot just from my own personal experience. Just out of interest, what are your personal experiences of Islam? What does it feel like when (you believe) Allah is speaking to you, moving in you? Just in case you didn't read it, here's a summary: -You're not listening to me. -Spike Zantren is amazing, read his rant. -What has Muhammad (pbuh) said will happen in the future? -What are your personal experiences of Islam? Oke.. Ill Give You One Advise... nd Ill clear ur mind.. Jesus Is According To Some Priest. God.. To Others NOt?! How Come You Christians Always Disagree with Eachtoher? Is It Because Of You Book? Muslim Have Nothing To Disagree On.. We have a Book of Perfection. Well thats what u get for letting 100 people write in it. and replace stuff. Jesus Christ > Is A Name Given By the Greek. Christ - Comes From Christos... Jesus Is Latin for Isa. DO RESEARCH BEFORE U POST. Because U Only Have written down all such of lie's... You cant quote a vers of the Bible... even Priest say the Bible contains mistakes.. so therefor its not a reliable book... You hear me? EVEN PRIEST SAY IT. NEXT THING! Check out the Links... if you have nothing to lose? Just Click on em,, and see the Wonders.. YOUR GOD and Mine Gave Us. and Start seeing the Light. I know u come from a Christian Family.. so u go to church.. parents say this u believe it. But Its Time You Start to Look for yourself. Ive done that.... Ive Read your Bible... and to tell you the truth.. I was shocked... Ive Read the bible and the Koran... You should do it too.. both books in 2 weeks. maybe ur eyes start to open. and Stop Putting Jesus.. in a Anti-Box spot.. stare We Muslims believe in Jesus...and Love Him and Respect Him. and again Jesus God? Tell Me.. How Can God Die?...
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:11 am
Voldemort point two EGYPTIAN 4 EVER Dude you're insane you can't prove Islam is wrong , and I will tell you some miracles at the next posts . biggrin Just you watch me. You're not listening to anything I say. I quoted you the verse and told you what it meant. Just understand that you can't pretend it means something else. It's not enough to say that Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu, as I think He was called in Aramaic) was a prophet. He was the Son of God, and He died, then came back to life three days later. He was not a prophet, and as Spike said (I quoted it below), we don't believe in the same Jesus (or Isa, or Hesu; whatever you want to call Him. After all, a rose by any other name would smell as sweet) Secondly, this is something someone in a guild I'm in said. (You're welcome to join the guild to have debates with us, if you want. http://www.gaiaonline.com/guilds/?guild_id=16153)Spike Zantren
I really can't put up with debating with Muslims. They just constantly take verses out of context and once they've been refuted, they just continue to repeat the same thing because they don't listen. They don't want to listen. If you want ammunition though, I'd recommend watching those James White debates I've been telling you about.
James White vs Jalal Abdualrub: Is Jesus Christ God? (Most Recommended)
James White vs Osama Abdullah: New Testament Reliability (Recommended)
James White vs Farhan Qureshi: Did Jesus Christ Claim to be God?
Trinity vs Oneness Debate
James White vs Imam Shamsi
James White vs Nadir Ahmed
James White vs Abdullah al-Andalusi
EDIT: It might also be worth noting that Allah is a Pagan Moon God and that Jehovah is not Allah in any way, shape, or form (also, the Muslim Isa is not Jesus Christ in any way either). Also that the Quran claims that Christians are polytheists and that we believe in three gods, God, Jesus and Mary. Now, if the Quran was really the book of Allah, it would make sense if the almighty powerful Allah would actually understand what Christians believed."They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three [in a Trinity]: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy) verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them." Qur'an 5:73"And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, ‘Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." Qur’an 5:116
I find it curious that both the New Testament and Old Testament would come from the Hebrews (God's chosen people), but the supposed continuation of that would come from the Arabs, who despise the Jews. They also claim that the Bible has been corrupted, but that's not what the Quran says.[The following is taken from the Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry (CARM) You can click here to see all of their articles on Islam]: * Torah - "We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of messengers," (Sura 2:87).1 * Psalms - "We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms," (4:163). * Gospel - "It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)," (3:3). Also, "And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah," (5:46). Of course the Muslims in that guild will probably play games with you, saying that it can't be true because it's in English, but ask them if they can even read and understand the Quran in Arabic before believing such silly things. I guess Hitler's book, "Mein Kampf" doesn't really mean what it says in the English translation because it's corrupted, oooh. Maybe Hitler was an okay guy after all. I mean, we can't believe what he wrote in Main Kampf, because that's corrupted. Maybe the entire book was Hitler's apology to the Jews for what he did. We must now hold a parade in the Fuhrer's honour for being such a kind and chivalrous man! [/sarcasm]
I'm supposed to be doing a series of articles on various topics and Islam was a little lower on my list, but in light of this I might go ahead and write it sometime soon. Though I can't guarantee that since I already try to do too many projects at once.I'd also like to point you to Muslims dreaming of Jesus and being saved [converting to Christianity] through them. I know someone who prayed for his Muslim friend, and his friend was saved through a dream. There are also lots of things on the Internet about it, and testimonies you can research and verify. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyayndwXQ4http://www.jesusvisions.org/index.shtmlJesus is God, not just a prophet. You have to understand that we do not believe the same thing in that respect. Jin Saga Im only referring to the Bible. on why you see the Profit Mohamed as a False profit? while He's true according to the Bible? You're not reading what I say, are you? Voldemort point two Has Muhammad (pbuh) actually made any prophecies? Because the passage of the Bible you say is true says that that's how people know if Muhammad (pbuh) is the true prophet. You don't seem to be paying attention to what I say, so I'll give you the list: [cropped for length. The list is still there, if you want to check it out] Voldemort point two Basically what that means is that what the Prophet said would come true. Jesus' words have definitely came true. Did anything Muhammad (pbuh) say come true? That's not a rhetorical question, I'm seriously asking. The thing you said about the moon isn't a prophecy; it's something that had already happened. Satan knows a lot about the world, and it was him who gave Muhammad (pbuh) the Qur'an. Has anything that Muhammad (pbuh) said, or wrote in the Qur'an that has come to pass? That's what I'm asking you. Because Jesus said that Jerusalem would be invaded by the Romans. In AD 77, it was. Not a single stone was left on top of the other, just like Jesus said would happen. And Jesus' prophecies of the end times have come true, as well. I just pray that you'll see the truth before the Bible's final prophecy comes true: "But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death." I believe I just did. If you want more stories of miracles, I can get them for you. Heck, I can get a lot just from my own personal experience. Just out of interest, what are your personal experiences of Islam? What does it feel like when (you believe) Allah is speaking to you, moving in you? Just in case you didn't read it, here's a summary: -You're not listening to me. -Spike Zantren is amazing, read his rant. -What has Muhammad (pbuh) said will happen in the future? -What are your personal experiences of Islam? I am reading what ur saying.. dont use that lame excuse to avoid my questions.. You cant Answer them... Because U know Nothing About ur Own Religion.. except for the Story And About the Personal Experience.. That is not prove? we gave u prove.. PICTURES VIDEOS!... What did u gave us? Experience?! Well Since u want to hear Experience!> - Ive seen a Imaam healing a person with the Koran , as he was possed. - Ive had dreams, where a tooth would fell out in my dream,, and Islam has something to tell about dreams.. like when ur teeth falls out . someone will die.. the next day my uncle was dead. And Listen... STORIES of Miracles.. Islam has plenty of that. more than Christianity.. Since u think we dont count Jesus in our religion stare and NO. Hes Right.. You cant Prove Islam wrong.. The only Thing u Bring Is ur Bible.. > False unreliable Book. I bring U Koran.. Miracles Of Allah > Kaa'ba have you seen it? No ur Afraid.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:26 am
Voldemort point two EGYPTIAN 4 EVER dude did you open any of the links we gave you ? xd Whoa. Whooooooooooooa. You totally shot me down there! I loved the "Islam doesn't need miracles to proove it" thing in one of the videos. I'd also like to point out that the Devil has power over the natural world, so things like the Ruku tree might not be from God. The spider's web could be a fake (so could the tree, actually. There are ways of making trees grow certain ways. So could the name on the mountain... actually, it looks similar to the Nazca lines in the video.) Now, please read my entire post and answer the questions I put to you. I did click your links, now please read my post and actually answer. I spent my whole afternoon writing that post, not because I want to be proved right; I already know I'm right. I'm trying to convince you of the Truth. Please, just take the time to think about it. If you don't think about other views, how can you know that yours is the right one? Plus, it's downright rude to ignore someone's post in a debate. EDIT: So, do you want a list of miracles that the one true living God performed, rather than Satan? I can get them for you, but I'm not going to waste time if you just keep on giving me this regurgitated nothing I can tear wide open. MIGHT!?... Dude ur Losing control getting scared of the truth? Kaa'ba wonder > Devils Tric. Lion Saying Allah > Devils Tric. Crow Saying Allah > Devils Tric. Child Knows Koran after his birth > Devils Tric. Tree/Ruku Praying TOWARDS THE HOLY CITY MEKKA TOWARDS THE KAA'BA The House Of Allah (swt) > DEVILS!? TRIC?! Hmm.. Devil Is kind of nice then wouldnt you say? Bring me the List.. With the TRUTH.. if they are wonders.. I want picuters.. Videos.. no one in the world.. would not take a picture.. if there was JESUS IS GOD written in the clouds stare and again. dont try to prove islam wrong.. because the more u try to more u get urself into trouble like this one. We Gave u a list of truth.. Wonders. with Pictures and Videos.. and the best u can come with is Devils work? Maybe christianty Is the Devils Work?... Back to what I said about the Devils TRIC! AND LISTEN GOOD! ITS THE DEVILS WORK TO GET US AWAY FROM ALLAH (SWT) SO WHY WOULD HE DO ALL THESE THINGS TO GET US CLOSER TO HIM!? ANSWER THIS QUESTION>!
WHY WOULD THE DEVIL... DO THINGS THAT MAKES US CLOSER TO ALLAH WHILE THE DEVIL WANTS US AWAY FROM ALLAH!?
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:44 am
jin was true ...
i support your text = =
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:55 am
The thing Christians always.. do is ask you
Do You Feel Jesus.. Do You Feel God.
We Feel The Love we Have for them.. We Feel The Respect we have with them. we Pray to God. Everyday 5 times!... go the the Mosk everyday 5 times!..
We Obey the Rules of the Koran.
We Help the ones who are on the wrong path. and try what we can to bring them to the right way . Islam.
If they do not want our help .. then so be it.
and let me tell you this.
Im not going to Discus with you..
1. You wont even listen
2. waist of time.
You and I both know whats the True Religion.
after what I gave you of. Miracles. FACTS.
and You have not done research for Islam.. if you would have,, you wouldnt have post some of the Questions I saw there.
and what u said about what has Mohamed said about the Future.
FOR EXAMPLE.. A Little tiny Example. and yet SO TRUE , and BIG
The Profit has said.
" Soon big distance traveling will only take a few hours "
.... > Airplanes.
But Like I said.. Im not going to Discus with you.
either u accept the truth.. or u let it be.
ur choice.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:01 am
Jin Saga Oke.. Ill Give You One Advise... nd Ill clear ur mind.. Jesus Is According To Some Priest. God.. To Others NOt?! How Come You Christians Always Disagree with Eachtoher? All Christians believe that Jesus is God. He is also described as a Priest in the Bible, because He intercedes for Christians. That's why Catholic Priests are completely pointless, unbiblical and anti-Christian. Jin Saga Muslim Have Nothing To Disagree On.. We have a Book of Perfection. No. No, you haven't. Whoever wrote your book doesn't know what Christians believe. Either that, or they want to spread lies about Christianity. The only person (or being) I can think of that would want to do that is the Father of Lies. Satan. Satan can appear as an angel, which he did to Muhammad (pbuh) when he gave him this "perfect book" which is riddled with imperfections and mistakes. Jin Saga Muslim Have Nothing To Disagree On.. We have a Book of Perfection. So you don't disagree at all? If I were to ask twenty Muslims from around the world who should have replaced Muhammad (pbuh) as the leader of Islam, you'd all say Abu Bakr, would they? Or would they all say it should have been Ali? Hmm. Jin Saga Well thats what u get for letting 100 people write in it. and replace stuff. See, you're just proving you don't read or research anything. Forty human authors. One divine author. God inspired them to write it, then He brought it all together into the Bible. Jin Saga You cant quote a vers of the Bible... even Priest say the Bible contains mistakes.. so therefor its not a reliable book... You hear me? EVEN PRIEST SAY IT. Please quote some priests. And, that's because they're Catholics and they take what the Pope says as higher than the Bible. A while ago, the Pope put out a book that told Catholics the Bible was wrong. Gee, it's a good thing you were listening when I said that Catholics weren't Christians. Jin Saga" Check out the Links... if you have nothing to lose? Just Click on em,, and see the Wonders.. YOUR GOD and Mine Gave Us. and Start seeing the Light. I know u come from a Christian Family.. so u go to church.. parents say this u believe it. I did. Those things were either a trick of man, or a trick of the Devil. Jin Saga I know u come from a Christian Family.. so u go to church.. parents say this u believe it. That really didn't make sense. You say my parents told me what to believe? Not so. They had absolutely nothing to do with my salvation, actually. It was me that asked God to forgive me, and it was God that made me realise I needed forgiveness. My parents had nothing to do with it. Jin Saga Ive Read the bible and the Koran... Somehow I really doubt that. He was fully God and fully human. He still is, actually. I'm not really sure how it worked, because I'm not God. Jin Saga I am reading what ur saying.. dont use that lame excuse to avoid my questions.. You cant Answer them... Because U know Nothing About ur Own Religion.. except for the Story When did you ask me questions? And I don't follow a religion. Christianity isn't a religion, it's a faith. The Bible says: "Whoever confesses with his mouth that Jesus is lord and believes in his heart that God raised Him from the dead will be saved." And again, "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will cleanse us of all iniquities." And another time, "Whoever has the Son has life, whoever doesn't have the Son doesn't have life." And another: "For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only Son, and whoever believes in Him shall not die but have eternal life." So no, Christianity isn't a religion. And I do know about it, and more importantly I know God. Jin Saga Do You Feel Jesus.. Do You Feel God. Yes. Yes, I do. Jin Saga We Feel The Love we Have for them.. We Feel The Respect we have with them. we Pray to God. Everyday 5 times!... go the the Mosk everyday 5 times!.. This is all I needed. You feel love, you feel respect. If someone convinced me that Harry Potter was real, I'd feel respect for him. What you feel is just the normal reaction you would have for believing a fictional character is real. The fact that Jesus isn't a fictional character but the Lord of all Creation doesn't change that. I respect Ghandi. I suppose that means he's God, does it? No. Let me explain to you what I mean by "feeling" God. I mean knowing His peace, and His joy. A joy that is described in the Bible as being inexpressible, and peace that is described as transending all human understanding. I've felt both of these, and that's exactly what they're like. And the Holy Spirit, He isn't described in the Bible, but if you describe the feeling to any Christian, they'll know what you mean. In fact, my old novel had a description of the Holy Spirit. All the non-Christian beta readers said that the character came accross as bi-polar. All the Christians said it was a great description of the Holy Spirit. I think the fact that we all know what He feels like without even confering to tell each other how to feel proves Christianity even more than all these miracles I'm about to list for you. Jin Saga The Profit has said. " Soon big distance traveling will only take a few hours " .... > Airplanes. That could mean anything. It's so generic that you could say anything like that. Just read horroscopes to know what I mean by a generic prophecy. Jesus' prophecies were so incredibly specific that they're impossible to miss. He foretold the Jews going back to their own country. He predicted that the Temple would be destroyed in 77AD. He predicted that He would die and then rise again three days later. He predicted that Peter would deny Him three times. He predicted that Judas would betray Him. Jin Saga Hmm.. Devil Is kind of nice then wouldnt you say? Yes. Yes, furthering his deception of millions of innocent Muslims, decieving them right into Hell. Very nice of him. Jin Saga Bring me the List.. With the TRUTH.. if they are wonders.. I want picuters.. Videos.. no one in the world.. would not take a picture.. if there was JESUS IS GOD written in the clouds Pictures and videos. Well, most miracles that God (the real God) does aren't for show, but are for helping Christians. For example, a lot of missionaries I know have witnessed a repeat of the feeding of the five thousand. WEC, a missionary orgainisation, were holding a dinner for homeless people. They were on their last turkey and there was still a huge queue. They prayed about it, and they kept on carving up the last turkey for two and a half hours. The same kind of thing happened in Siberia; more people than expected turned up, there wasn't enough food, and the food lasted so much more than it should have done. A personal experience: I could feel God trying to tell me something. I asked Him what it was, and someone right next to me burst into song. He normally sings, but it was totally different. I can't remember what the song was, but it was exactly what I needed to hear. I asked God if it was Him speaking. The next line? "This message couldn't be any clearer." Another personal experience: I was praying and reading my Bible. There was an... interesting passage that I didn't understand. I prayed that God would help me understand it, and the fan caught the pages and moved them to a page that God used to tell me what the other passage meant. This kind of thing has happened to me before. I was praying about something, went out of the room to go to the loo, then came back and the Bible was on a different page that said exactly what I needed to hear. A video that proves that "in Him [Jesus] all things now hold together"? Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4zgJXPpI4 Watch the whole thing. I couldn't find one short enough to go straight to him talking about laminin, but just wait 'til about four minutes in. You might also want to have a look around things that Answers in Genesis succesfully proved from the Bible. http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/successful-predictions Jin Saga the best u can come with is Devils work? Islam itself is the Devil's work. I think what I said is that it was either a manmade fake or the Devil's work. Besides: "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God!" -1 Corinthians 1:18 Jin Saga Back to what I said about the Devils TRIC! AND LISTEN GOOD! ITS THE DEVILS WORK TO GET US AWAY FROM ALLAH (SWT) SO WHY WOULD HE DO ALL THESE THINGS TO GET US CLOSER TO HIM!? No. What I'm saying is that it is the Devil's aim to get as many people to Hell as possible, by dragging them away from the truth. I think we can all agree on that, even though we disagree on what the truth is. I'm saying that, if Christianity is the Truth, the Devil would try to get people to follow anything else. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism... so there'll be signs like the Raka tree, that are either the work of human hands - it is possible to manipulate trees while they're growing, just like it's possible to write "Allah" on a wall in Arabic and pretend it's a spider web. Just like it's possible to make drawings on the sand. Look up the Nazca lines. They look similar to the "Allah" on the side of the mountain, but nobody's saying they're natural. I'm saying that it could be the Devil's trickery. Jin Saga WHY WOULD THE DEVIL... DO THINGS THAT MAKES US CLOSER TO ALLAH WHILE THE DEVIL WANTS US AWAY FROM ALLAH!? Because the Devil might not want you away from Allah. The Devil wants as many people as possible to go to Hell. If Christianity is true, then he would try and make Islam seem plausible so people would follow it and then be damned. So, question: What else has Muhammad (pbuh) predicted? Please, tell me. And what Surrah is the one about aeroplanes in? I'd like to read it in context.Another thing, about the Qur'an: it's all over the place. It's not in chronological order, it's in some kind of random order based on length. That doesn't make sense. And as well, the Qur'an doesn't know what Christians actually believe. As I've said before: whoever wrote the Qur'an either didn't know, which means that it's a hoax made by men, or they wanted to spread lies, in which case it's a hoax made by the Father of Lies. Which is it?(Questions are bolded. Please respond to them.)
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:04 am
Quote: Im not going to Discus with you.. 1. You wont even listen i listen ive read the whole dang forum to try to understand if religions a waste of time then you might as well have no religion Quote: You and I both know whats the True Religion. we do?some people have different beliefs im sorry but you muslims and christians need to agree to disagree there is no greater there is no lesser im sorry Quote: after what I gave you of. Miracles. FACTS. sometimes facts cant prove anything now im sorry but i have to say that i dont even know if im christian because i believe stories about all religions because why do different religions fight over this its stupid to fight is that what allah and god and jesus and anyone else would want is for us to fight and have war between religions?? i dont think they would im sorry but lets agree to disagree? aye?
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:25 am
Voldemort point two Jin Saga Oke.. Ill Give You One Advise... nd Ill clear ur mind.. Jesus Is According To Some Priest. God.. To Others NOt?! How Come You Christians Always Disagree with Eachtoher? All Christians believe that Jesus is God. He is also described as a Priest in the Bible, because He intercedes for Christians. That's why Catholic Priests are completely pointless, unbiblical and anti-Christian. Jin Saga Muslim Have Nothing To Disagree On.. We have a Book of Perfection. No. No, you haven't. Whoever wrote your book doesn't know what Christians believe. Either that, or they want to spread lies about Christianity. The only person (or being) I can think of that would want to do that is the Father of Lies. Satan. Satan can appear as an angel, which he did to Muhammad (pbuh) when he gave him this "perfect book" which is riddled with imperfections and mistakes. Jin Saga Muslim Have Nothing To Disagree On.. We have a Book of Perfection. So you don't disagree at all? If I were to ask twenty Muslims from around the world who should have replaced Muhammad (pbuh) as the leader of Islam, you'd all say Abu Bakr, would they? Or would they all say it should have been Ali? Hmm. Jin Saga Well thats what u get for letting 100 people write in it. and replace stuff. See, you're just proving you don't read or research anything. Forty human authors. One divine author. God inspired them to write it, then He brought it all together into the Bible. Jin Saga You cant quote a vers of the Bible... even Priest say the Bible contains mistakes.. so therefor its not a reliable book... You hear me? EVEN PRIEST SAY IT. Please quote some priests. And, that's because they're Catholics and they take what the Pope says as higher than the Bible. A while ago, the Pope put out a book that told Catholics the Bible was wrong. Gee, it's a good thing you were listening when I said that Catholics weren't Christians. Jin Saga" Check out the Links... if you have nothing to lose? Just Click on em,, and see the Wonders.. YOUR GOD and Mine Gave Us. and Start seeing the Light. I know u come from a Christian Family.. so u go to church.. parents say this u believe it. I did. Those things were either a trick of man, or a trick of the Devil. Jin Saga I know u come from a Christian Family.. so u go to church.. parents say this u believe it. That really didn't make sense. You say my parents told me what to believe? Not so. They had absolutely nothing to do with my salvation, actually. It was me that asked God to forgive me, and it was God that made me realise I needed forgiveness. My parents had nothing to do with it. Jin Saga Ive Read the bible and the Koran... Somehow I really doubt that. He was fully God and fully human. He still is, actually. I'm not really sure how it worked, because I'm not God. Jin Saga I am reading what ur saying.. dont use that lame excuse to avoid my questions.. You cant Answer them... Because U know Nothing About ur Own Religion.. except for the Story When did you ask me questions? And I don't follow a religion. Christianity isn't a religion, it's a faith. The Bible says: "Whoever confesses with his mouth that Jesus is lord and believes in his heart that God raised Him from the dead will be saved." And again, "if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will cleanse us of all iniquities." And another time, "Whoever has the Son has life, whoever doesn't have the Son doesn't have life." And another: "For God so loved the world that He sent His one and only Son, and whoever believes in Him shall not die but have eternal life." So no, Christianity isn't a religion. And I do know about it, and more importantly I know God. Jin Saga Do You Feel Jesus.. Do You Feel God. Yes. Yes, I do. Jin Saga We Feel The Love we Have for them.. We Feel The Respect we have with them. we Pray to God. Everyday 5 times!... go the the Mosk everyday 5 times!.. This is all I needed. You feel love, you feel respect. If someone convinced me that Harry Potter was real, I'd feel respect for him. What you feel is just the normal reaction you would have for believing a fictional character is real. The fact that Jesus isn't a fictional character but the Lord of all Creation doesn't change that. I respect Ghandi. I suppose that means he's God, does it? No. Let me explain to you what I mean by "feeling" God. I mean knowing His peace, and His joy. A joy that is described in the Bible as being inexpressible, and peace that is described as transending all human understanding. I've felt both of these, and that's exactly what they're like. And the Holy Spirit, He isn't described in the Bible, but if you describe the feeling to any Christian, they'll know what you mean. In fact, my old novel had a description of the Holy Spirit. All the non-Christian beta readers said that the character came accross as bi-polar. All the Christians said it was a great description of the Holy Spirit. I think the fact that we all know what He feels like without even confering to tell each other how to feel proves Christianity even more than all these miracles I'm about to list for you. Jin Saga The Profit has said. " Soon big distance traveling will only take a few hours " .... > Airplanes. That could mean anything. It's so generic that you could say anything like that. Just read horroscopes to know what I mean by a generic prophecy. Jesus' prophecies were so incredibly specific that they're impossible to miss. He foretold the Jews going back to their own country. He predicted that the Temple would be destroyed in 77AD. He predicted that He would die and then rise again three days later. He predicted that Peter would deny Him three times. He predicted that Judas would betray Him. Jin Saga Hmm.. Devil Is kind of nice then wouldnt you say? Yes. Yes, furthering his deception of millions of innocent Muslims, decieving them right into Hell. Very nice of him. Jin Saga Bring me the List.. With the TRUTH.. if they are wonders.. I want picuters.. Videos.. no one in the world.. would not take a picture.. if there was JESUS IS GOD written in the clouds Pictures and videos. Well, most miracles that God (the real God) does aren't for show, but are for helping Christians. For example, a lot of missionaries I know have witnessed a repeat of the feeding of the five thousand. WEC, a missionary orgainisation, were holding a dinner for homeless people. They were on their last turkey and there was still a huge queue. They prayed about it, and they kept on carving up the last turkey for two and a half hours. The same kind of thing happened in Siberia; more people than expected turned up, there wasn't enough food, and the food lasted so much more than it should have done. A personal experience: I could feel God trying to tell me something. I asked Him what it was, and someone right next to me burst into song. He normally sings, but it was totally different. I can't remember what the song was, but it was exactly what I needed to hear. I asked God if it was Him speaking. The next line? "This message couldn't be any clearer." Another personal experience: I was praying and reading my Bible. There was an... interesting passage that I didn't understand. I prayed that God would help me understand it, and the fan caught the pages and moved them to a page that God used to tell me what the other passage meant. This kind of thing has happened to me before. I was praying about something, went out of the room to go to the loo, then came back and the Bible was on a different page that said exactly what I needed to hear. A video that proves that "in Him [Jesus] all things now hold together"? Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e4zgJXPpI4 Watch the whole thing. I couldn't find one short enough to go straight to him talking about laminin, but just wait 'til about four minutes in. You might also want to have a look around things that Answers in Genesis succesfully proved from the Bible. http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/features/successful-predictions Jin Saga the best u can come with is Devils work? Islam itself is the Devil's work. I think what I said is that it was either a manmade fake or the Devil's work. Besides: "The message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God!" -1 Corinthians 1:18 Jin Saga Back to what I said about the Devils TRIC! AND LISTEN GOOD! ITS THE DEVILS WORK TO GET US AWAY FROM ALLAH (SWT) SO WHY WOULD HE DO ALL THESE THINGS TO GET US CLOSER TO HIM!? No. What I'm saying is that it is the Devil's aim to get as many people to Hell as possible, by dragging them away from the truth. I think we can all agree on that, even though we disagree on what the truth is. I'm saying that, if Christianity is the Truth, the Devil would try to get people to follow anything else. Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism... so there'll be signs like the Raka tree, that are either the work of human hands - it is possible to manipulate trees while they're growing, just like it's possible to write "Allah" on a wall in Arabic and pretend it's a spider web. Just like it's possible to make drawings on the sand. Look up the Nazca lines. They look similar to the "Allah" on the side of the mountain, but nobody's saying they're natural. I'm saying that it could be the Devil's trickery. Jin Saga WHY WOULD THE DEVIL... DO THINGS THAT MAKES US CLOSER TO ALLAH WHILE THE DEVIL WANTS US AWAY FROM ALLAH!? Because the Devil might not want you away from Allah. The Devil wants as many people as possible to go to Hell. If Christianity is true, then he would try and make Islam seem plausible so people would follow it and then be damned. So, question: What else has Muhammad (pbuh) predicted? Please, tell me. And what Surrah is the one about aeroplanes in? I'd like to read it in context.Another thing, about the Qur'an: it's all over the place. It's not in chronological order, it's in some kind of random order based on length. That doesn't make sense. And as well, the Qur'an doesn't know what Christians actually believe. As I've said before: whoever wrote the Qur'an either didn't know, which means that it's a hoax made by men, or they wanted to spread lies, in which case it's a hoax made by the Father of Lies. Which is it?(Questions are bolded. Please respond to them.) Like I said im not going to Discus with you. even about what you said. All Christians Believe Jesus is God. Is false.. plenty priest say the diff. But Nvm.. Believe what you want.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:36 am
Jin Saga Like I said im not going to Discus with you. even about what you said. All Christians Believe Jesus is God. Is false.. plenty priest say the diff. But Nvm.. Believe what you want. I think what you need to understand is that, to anyone who isn't a Muslim, that reads as: "Yeah, I know you're right, but I want to keep on serving the Devil." You're blind. I hope some day you see the truth... not because I want to be proved right in a debate, but because I don't want the Devil to win another soul for Hell. I'll end this with a proverb: There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Hey hey, can you hear anything I say? PRIESTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. Honestly, it's probably a work of the Devil as well, or it could just be incredibly stupid people who think they're furthering the cause of the gospel. I don't say that Al Quaeda are Muslims, so please don't say that Catholic Priests are Christians. They're not. Quote: sometimes facts cant prove anything now im sorry but i have to say that i dont even know if im christian because i believe stories about all religions because why do different religions fight over this its stupid to fight is that what allah and god and jesus and anyone else would want is for us to fight and have war between religions?? i dont think they would im sorry but lets agree to disagree? aye? Yeah, some guy said something about that. I think He said something like "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, no-one comes to the Father except through Me." Of course, you could just totally ignore Him and go to Hell.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:30 am
Voldemort point two Jin Saga Like I said im not going to Discus with you. even about what you said. All Christians Believe Jesus is God. Is false.. plenty priest say the diff. But Nvm.. Believe what you want. I think what you need to understand is that, to anyone who isn't a Muslim, that reads as: "Yeah, I know you're right, but I want to keep on serving the Devil." You're blind. I hope some day you see the truth... not because I want to be proved right in a debate, but because I don't want the Devil to win another soul for Hell. I'll end this with a proverb: There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Hey hey, can you hear anything I say? PRIESTS KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE CATHOLICS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. Honestly, it's probably a work of the Devil as well, or it could just be incredibly stupid people who think they're furthering the cause of the gospel. I don't say that Al Quaeda are Muslims, so please don't say that Catholic Priests are Christians. They're not. Quote: sometimes facts cant prove anything now im sorry but i have to say that i dont even know if im christian because i believe stories about all religions because why do different religions fight over this its stupid to fight is that what allah and god and jesus and anyone else would want is for us to fight and have war between religions?? i dont think they would im sorry but lets agree to disagree? aye? Yeah, some guy said something about that. I think He said something like "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, no-one comes to the Father except through Me." Of course, you could just totally ignore Him and go to Hell. We shall see who was right after we all Die 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:33 am
Jin Saga We shall see who was right after we all Die 3nodding I honestly hope you don't wait that long. Also, here's another gem of wisdom from the amazing, fantastic and wonderful Spike Zantren (who I hope is reading this. xp ). If you're right, then reading this isn't going to damage your faith, so just read it: Quote: And it absolutely astounds me doesn't surprise me at all that they didn't even read your post or respond to it. Islam is a lot like Roman Catholicism in a way. For one, they don't gain many converts, but they grow exponentially because the members have so many children, and their entire lives they're brought up in it and become indoctrinated and taught not to think outside of their dogma. If there was anything I would agree with an Atheist on, it's that cults brainwash people.
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