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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:18 am


Kafir = atheist/statue prayer

Christians and Jews is something else.

That dossen't mean they don't got whores...

Though christians started converting to atheism, they think their religion is nonsence.

Lol, if i would touch a jewish woman????

I was talking about here in Denmark, the majority are christians/atheists. Jews, Sikhs, muslims, and whatever, is very low...

I woulden't touch any1 beffore marriage. And i woulden't marry a christian, jew, kafir either. I want a muslim insha'allah.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 4:36 pm


oh... I see, here in America most people who convert are also christians.. however I have met some Jewish people who converted.. yeah I don't really know why.
I personally think that atheist are very selfish in a way. I mean why would you believe that there is only you and that there is no god.. or whatever?? I stay try to stay away from them. That is another group of people that I don't understand... atheists.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 5:34 am


Or maybe atheists are just people who sees that christianity makes no sence?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:04 pm


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Also, Allah already desided who you are going to marry ^_^

You don't have to look at the person, date the peson, have kids with the person beffore getting married.

That's a diffrence between kafirs and muslims.

I don't touch any christian girl either... You must keep your honour, and your cleanness. Not like whores.

That is THE most dumbest response ever dont you guys use freakin logic??? Allah this, Allah that!! give a real response!. omg First of all theres nothing wrong with dating if you are just trying to know the person. Im sure people dont want to have any marriage with a girl they cant even see it makes NO sense. I for one understand BASIC covering for weman AFTER there married but WTH??? Second of all pathan. who the living hell are you to judge anyone??? "That's a diffrence between kafirs and muslims." not ALL kafirs do what sooo many muslims claim. yes many do have prostitutes, pornos, etc.. but guess what! YOU MUSLIMS DO IT ASWELL and dont even think for a second that "O its hardly unheard of in the muslim world" that will be a load of crap! u have no right calling anyone a whore, you should get out more and see what muslims are doing. even in ur own turf in EUROPE!!!. Further more i never said you had to "date the peson, have kids with the person beffore getting married." although dating is ok or it should be anyway. but i never said have sex with the girl. the point to have a wife is to freakin look at her before marrigae to see if she is pretty and attractive to you from the inside and depending on the person the outside aswell its says so in the hadith so dont give me that crap. Weman dont need to rlly cover there faces besdies that whole rape thing is not from being attractive its for male control! so theres no point you cant force them to wear something they dont want to! if they choose to thats a different story. but yet again if she plans on finding a spouse in this day and age im pretty sure she gotta loose the thing.


ok, firstly I would like to address the issue of covering. Firstly, the face is not necessary, in fact I think that the niqab is a very brilliant thing. In fact, since it is hijab for a woman to cover her awrah (private parts), some
people consider the mouth to be private and so the mouth is covered. You said so yourself that you don't agree with the covering of a muslim women right, because of the fact that you can not see anything. I'm just going to tell you that, that reason right there is the reason that most of us do cover. A woman should be acknowledge for her personality and her intelligence
not her appearance. And what do you mean about Allah this and Allah that? We are happy to be muslims.. and we are happy to serve Allah, he is our creator why shouldn't we praise him? What you are talking about is really nonsense

the reason i said that was because u muslims never give a logical answer!
ALLAH says so dosnt answer crap. anyway lots a people ALSO care about how a girl looks besides smarts and etc..

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:27 am


That's their problem. The rules are not to show the worl urself, as a female.

That's why muslim girls don't wanna be shown on media. It is haram.
PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:07 am


Hijab: BY DR. ZAKIR NAIK
By Dr. Zakir Naik
http://www.islamicvoice.com/october.98/zakir.htm

There are many non-Muslims who have studied Islam. Most of them have only read books on Islam written by biased critics of Islam. These non-Muslims have a different set of twenty common misconceptions about Islam. For instance, they claim to have found contradictions in the Qur’an, they contend that the Qur’an is unscientific etc. In this issue I shall deal with Hijab.

Question: Why does Islam degrade the women by keeping her in the veil?

Answer: The status of women in Islam is often the target of attacks in the secular media. The ‘hijab’ or the Islamic dress is cited by many as an example of the ‘subjugation’ of women under Islamic law. Before we analyse the reasoning behind the religiously mandated ‘hijab’, let us first study the status of women in societies before the advent of Islam
I. In the past women were degraded and used as objects of lust

The following examples from history amply illustrate the fact that the status of women in earlier civilizations was very low to the extent that they were denied basic human dignity:
1. Babylonian civilization

The women were degraded and were denied all rights under the Babylonian law. If a man murdered a woman, instead of him being punished, his wife was put to death.
2. Greek civilization

Greek civilization is considered the most glorious of all ancient civilizations. Under this very ‘glorious’ system, women were deprived of all rights and were looked down upon. In Greek mythology, an ‘imaginary woman’ called ‘Pandora’ is the root cause of misfortune of human beings. The Greeks considered women to be subhuman and inferior to men. Though chastity of women was precious, and women were held in high esteem, the Greeks were later overwhelmed by ego and sexual perversions. Prostitution became a regular practice amongst all classes of Greek society.
3. Roman civilization

When Roman civilization was at the zenith of its ‘glory’, a man even had the right to take the life of his wife. Prostitution and nudity were common amongst the Romans.
4. Egyptian civilization

The Egyptian considered women evil and as a sign of a devil.
5. Pre-Islamic Arabia

Before Islam spread in Arabia, the Arabs looked down upon the women and very often when a female was born she was buried alive.
II. Islam uplifted women and gave them equality and expects them to maintain their status.

Islam uplifted the status of women and granted them their just rights 1400 years ago. Islam expects women to maintain their status.
Hijab for men

People usually only discuss ‘hijab’ in the context of women only. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijab’ for men before ‘hijab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al Noor: “Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.” [Al-Qur’an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.
Hijab for women.

The next verse of Surah Noor, says: “ And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye believers! Turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.” [Al-Qur’an 24:31]
III. Six criteria for Hijab.

According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijab:
i. Extent

The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the obligatory level of covering is to cover the whole body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijab’. All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.
ii. Should not reveal figure.

The second criterion is that the clothes they wear should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
iii. Should not be transparent.

The third criterion is that the clothes they wear should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
iv. Not attract opposite sex.

The clothes they wear should be not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
v. Should not resemble the clothes of the opposite sex.

The fifth criterion is that the clothes they wear should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
vi. Should not resemble the clothes of the unbelievers.

The clothes they wear should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.
IV. Hijab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijab’ of the eyes, ‘hijab’ of the heart, ‘hijab’ of thought and ‘hijab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves etc.
V. Hijab prevents molestation

The reason why Hijab is prescribed for women is mentioned in the Qur’an in the following verse of Surah Al-Ahzab: “O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad); that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” [Al-Qur’an 33:59]

The Qur’an says that Hijab has been prescribed for the women so that they are recognized as modest women and this will also prevent them from being molested.
VI. Example of twin sisters

Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijab i.e. the whole body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a skirt or a mini. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijab prevents the women from being molested.
VII. Capital punishment for rapist

Under the Islamic Shariah a man convicted of having raped a woman, is given capital punishment. Many are astonished at this ‘harsh’ sentence. Some even say that Islam is a ruthless, and barbaric religion! I have asked a simple question to hundreds of non-Muslim men. Suppose, God forbid, someone rapes your wife, your mother or your sister. You are made the judge and the rapist is brought in front of you. What punishment would you give him? All of them said they would put him to death. Some went to the extent of saying they would torture him to death. To them I ask, if someone rapes your wife or your mother you want to put him to death. But if the same crime is committed on somebody else’s wife or daughter you say capital punishment is barbaric. Why the double standards?
VIII. Western society falsely claims to have uplifted women

Western talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are employed as mere tools at the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’.
IX. USA has one of the highest rates of rape

United States of America is supposed to be one of the most advanced countries of the world. It also has one of the highest rates of rape of any country in the world. According to an FBI report, in the year 1990, every day on an average 1756 cases of rape were committed in U.S.A alone. Later another report said that on an average everyday 1900 cases of rapes are committed in USA. The year was not mentioned. May be it was 1992 or 1993. May be the Americans got ‘bolder’ in the following years.

Consider a scenario where the Islamic hijab is followed in America. Whenever a man looks at a woman and any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he lowers his gaze. Every woman wears the Islamic hijab, that is the whole body is covered except the face and the hands upto the wrist. After this if any man commits rape he is given capital punishment. I ask you, in such a scenario, will the rate of rape in America increase, will it remain the same, or will it decrease?
X. Implementation of Islamic Shariah will reduce the rate of rapes.

Naturally as soon as Islamic Shariah is implemented positive results will be inevitable. If Islamic Shariah is implemented in any part of the world, whether it is America or Europe, society will breath easier. Hijab does not degrade a woman but uplifts a woman and protects her modesty and chastity.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 2:53 pm


Note I was reading from an english translation. The verses/lines I most specifically remember on the subject in the Quran on the subject essentially describe clothing that covers in simliar effect as a hijab but didn't use the term hijab (I shall have to look up what I am thinking of). I recall the language didn't sound very absolute to me but not just a recommnedation in tone either. A good way to describe how it sounded (and the Quran to me in general) is Authoritative (instead of Authoritarian).
PostPosted: Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:08 pm


The_Pathan
I woulden't touch any1 beffore marriage. And i woulden't marry a christian, jew, kafir either. I want a muslim insha'allah.


Agrees plus why risk ruining your life and your's partner for a "roll in the hay"? Birth control isn't 100% plus it interferes with attraction hormones which isn't good and there are STDs to worry about. Better to wait until marriage doing stuff the right way at the right time (once you are ready to deal with having kids and being merry cause once you have kids you can't really develop college and career that well and being merry it is expected that you have physical relations).

I don't feel so guilty about feeling simliar myself now. Of course keeping in mind Islam wasn't the faith I was brought up in growing up. I won't be more then just acquantices/"casual friends" with anyone that drinks and messes around which the only people I have found that don't do neither are Muslims (I find Christians to be too relax about "booze" [catholics even drink wine in some church ceremonies!!!] and Buddhists too relax about "boobs" and athetists too relax about both).

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:24 am


PPL I HAVE BEEN SAYING THINS FOR DAYS ISLAM DOES NOT END WITH QURAN!!!!!
QURAN ALONE IS NOT ISLAM!!!!
WHY DO YOU THING GOD GAVE A PROPHET!!!!
IF ISLAM STOPED AT QURAN WE WOULD NOT NEED HIM!!!
QURAN + THE TEACHINGS AND SAYING OF THE PROPHET = THE RIGHT ISLAM

there are so many misunderstanding about Islam cuz ppl just read the Quran misinterpret then call us terrorists or barbarians!!!!!

the prophet explains the Quran and completes the meaning of Islam there are sooooooo many things in Islam that are not in the Quran half of the ppl I have seen here are not arabs and do not live in arab countries.
so they don't know how complicated islam is or that islam is not just a religion its a way of life!!
islam tells us how to eat how to dress how to think how to feel how to treat our neighbors how to treat our loved ones and even how to rule a country and how the government should do and my country does it all!!

plz plz ppl your all killing me you love islam I can tell so why do you know so little of how wonderful it is cry
PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:47 pm


Muhammad were supposed to send the qur'an, and live as a example of a good muslim. Right?

We should live 100% after qur'an, hadiths only help us understanding it 3nodding

Yeah Cora i guess you are right... Though i was thinking more about stuff like hugging or kissing.

But i don't think i should marry a non-muslim, it would be too risky razz

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 4:39 pm


The_Pathan
Muhammad were supposed to send the qur'an, and live as a example of a good muslim. Right?

We should live 100% after qur'an, hadiths only help us understanding it 3nodding


WRONG HONEY!!
islam with out the prophets teaching is not islam why do u think so many phrases in the quran are miss understood and used by our enemies agains us.

and we use the prophet as an example because he followed what god told him exactly his teachings the "ahadeeth" are not from his mind god told him to do and say them they complete the quran there NOT a bonus!!!

and the prophet was sent to give us Islam completed after the gave us all we could learn about islam he died a month later at the age of 62 god took him away cuz his work was done..
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:59 am


I get it smile But diden't he write anything himself, lol? Cuz all hadiths are from his wife or friends.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 6:36 am


The_Pathan
I get it smile But diden't he write anything himself, lol? Cuz all hadiths are from his wife or friends.

its not from them its just that when they say its from this person or the other its just to assert that it came from a reliable source who is quoting the prophet its not from just some guy who heard the prophet say this or that xd
PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:25 pm


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Also, Allah already desided who you are going to marry ^_^

You don't have to look at the person, date the peson, have kids with the person beffore getting married.

That's a diffrence between kafirs and muslims.

I don't touch any christian girl either... You must keep your honour, and your cleanness. Not like whores.

That is THE most dumbest response ever dont you guys use freakin logic??? Allah this, Allah that!! give a real response!. omg First of all theres nothing wrong with dating if you are just trying to know the person. Im sure people dont want to have any marriage with a girl they cant even see it makes NO sense. I for one understand BASIC covering for weman AFTER there married but WTH??? Second of all pathan. who the living hell are you to judge anyone??? "That's a diffrence between kafirs and muslims." not ALL kafirs do what sooo many muslims claim. yes many do have prostitutes, pornos, etc.. but guess what! YOU MUSLIMS DO IT ASWELL and dont even think for a second that "O its hardly unheard of in the muslim world" that will be a load of crap! u have no right calling anyone a whore, you should get out more and see what muslims are doing. even in ur own turf in EUROPE!!!. Further more i never said you had to "date the peson, have kids with the person beffore getting married." although dating is ok or it should be anyway. but i never said have sex with the girl. the point to have a wife is to freakin look at her before marrigae to see if she is pretty and attractive to you from the inside and depending on the person the outside aswell its says so in the hadith so dont give me that crap. Weman dont need to rlly cover there faces besdies that whole rape thing is not from being attractive its for male control! so theres no point you cant force them to wear something they dont want to! if they choose to thats a different story. but yet again if she plans on finding a spouse in this day and age im pretty sure she gotta loose the thing.


ok, firstly I would like to address the issue of covering. Firstly, the face is not necessary, in fact I think that the niqab is a very brilliant thing. In fact, since it is hijab for a woman to cover her awrah (private parts), some
people consider the mouth to be private and so the mouth is covered. You said so yourself that you don't agree with the covering of a muslim women right, because of the fact that you can not see anything. I'm just going to tell you that, that reason right there is the reason that most of us do cover. A woman should be acknowledge for her personality and her intelligence
not her appearance. And what do you mean about Allah this and Allah that? We are happy to be muslims.. and we are happy to serve Allah, he is our creator why shouldn't we praise him? What you are talking about is really nonsense

the reason i said that was because u muslims never give a logical answer!
ALLAH says so dosnt answer crap. anyway lots a people ALSO care about how a girl looks besides smarts and etc..


(this is Bharatanatyam just to let you know)
Ok first of all if someone cares about a person mainly off of looks then they don't really care for you as a person.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:31 am


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The_Pathan
Asalam Alaykum biggrin

I ben hearing from alot of people in Denmark who studied Islam, that the qur'an dossen't tell about wearing a hijab.

They say it tells women not to show, but not to wear a hijab. So i was wondering what is the right thing. Cause i know there is a reason why people are wearing hijab.

WRONG The quran says to wear a hijab. for reasons such as no one will harrass them and bother them and quote "annoy them". It was to protect the weman. However the Quran does NOT say they HAVE to wear the hijab. It states you must not force the weman to wear it. But you can force them not to show so much skin (if you know what I mean). Further more the quran does not say about covering the entire face like a nehkaab. Only the prophet (pbuh) wives had to, so everyone can recognize them as his wives and respect them (but that a agrumental type thing). The guys that studied this must have gotten there facts a bit screwd up



So you mean,if you dont want to wear a hijaab,you dont have too. But you still have to wear properly,which is logic of course.
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