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do u know what "al nathrah an shaeyah is" its when a man comes to ask for a woman hand in marriage he is allowed to see her even allowed to sit alone with her and BY ISLAM she should not wear the hejab at that moment she can wear want ever she like as long as its not too reveling, these ppl are gona spend there life together they have the right to see how the other looks, what if she thinks he is ugly or he thinks she is ugly, how can they be intimate together if they cant even look at each other? this is why men marry over there wives.
Really? :O I diden't know!
Well, people do get married without looking
lol wink I diden't say i would do it, but people do
3nodding TV? Nope, I don't whatch that much tv, and whn I do, it's always against Islam, so i don't that much.
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condescending = u think u are better
I know thats not what u mean to do, i know u mean the total opposite but if a man acted that way with me I would be pissed.
Well, that's the male version of lower the gaze, right? Looking away. Not that i would do it
lol Well, in Denmark it would be stupid, but in a really muslim place i woulden't really look too much.
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not allowed everything with medical stuff? so women cant be doctors then ?
u know by Islam I can strip naked for my doctor if I had to cuz there is a reason to do its not anything dirty so its fine doctors have always been and will be exceptions, and if u say there are women doctors I should go to them, well what if I had a heart problem and the best doctor is a man should I take second best and maybe die cuz he is a man?
Sorry u tock me wrong. Firstly, women can be pretty much everything, also doctor. But a woman is not allowed to strip infront of a man in my opinion. I'm very shocked if Islam allows what u are saying :O
If it's the mouth or sumthing, then male is alright. If it's the a**, then woman are supposed to do it. And doctors read for 15 years, so i'm pretty sure the woman could do it too
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if its not honored to do that then single working mothers are not honored then by what ur saying.
lol? wuts wrong with single mothers working????
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and if I work but always lower my gaze ok.
how am I gona show my boss that I have a strong personality and can handle management, that is shown only with the look in ur eyes thats how ur boss knows ur ready for a promotion, and what if Im giving a professional presentation I need to look at my audience faces to do it, right
I dunno what Islam says about that, so I wont say. But in my own opinion it's fine.
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:16 pm
when u sleep on the floor(thats the only time we sleep together) u cant do anything to begin with loool
there is a hadeeth by the prophet that goes:
a man when to the prophet and said, " prophet I am so happy I am getting married to day and I will finally see my bride"
the prophet got so angry and told him to go see her right away before they got married.
do u know what "al nathrah an shaeyah is" its when a man comes to ask for a woman hand in marriage he is allowed to see her even allowed to sit alone with her and BY ISLAM she should not wear the hejab at that moment she can wear want ever she like as long as its not too reveling, these ppl are gona spend there life together they have the right to see how the other looks, what if she thinks he is ugly or he thinks she is ugly, how can they be intimate together if they cant even look at each other? this is why men marry over there wives.
get married with out looking! no sane person would do it
dont believe every thing u hear on TV ppl there say what they believe and what they know its not always right, what I say comes from 12 years of religious education in one of the strictest and one of most sexist countries there is, if I dont know or am not sure of something I will say so cuz its wrong to teach Islam if ur not sure or dont know what ur talking about.
condescending = u think u are better
I know thats not what u mean to do, i know u mean the total opposite but if a man acted that way with me I would be pissed.
not allowed everything with medical stuff? so women cant be doctors then ?
u know by Islam I can strip naked for my doctor if I had to cuz there is a reason to do its not anything dirty so its fine doctors have always been and will be exceptions, and if u say there are women doctors I should go to them, well what if I had a heart problem and the best doctor is a man should I take second best and maybe die cuz he is a man?
if its not honored to do that then single working mothers are not honored then by what ur saying.
and if I work but always lower my gaze ok.
how am I gona show my boss that I have a strong personality and can handle management, that is shown only with the look in ur eyes thats how ur boss knows ur ready for a promotion, and what if Im giving a professional presentation I need to look at my audience faces to do it, right
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and want to apologize as well i got too emotional and and got mad, its just that honey u hit a veeeeeeeeerrryyyyy sore subject in my country women like me have been fighting for our rights for years women lawyers have only been allowed to practice there work a 5years ago and there still not allowed in court, u opinions were very similar the the men in my country I fight against and when u said those things i just when crazy sorry about that
Yeah I get what You mean, thoguh in the guild we are supposed to discuss serious discussions without talknig bad
smile But it's alright okhti
3nodding I'm sorry too, that i'm annoying u
razz Well, i hope i ain't like those people then, but i ain't really saying what i do or think in real, but what islam says. So i diden't start this discussion to tell my opinion, but to know Islams opinion
3nodding Cuz u know alot about Islam, i know
biggrin Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:16 pm
when u sleep on the floor(thats the only time we sleep together) u cant do anything to begin with loool
there is a hadeeth by the prophet that goes:
a man when to the prophet and said, " prophet I am so happy I am getting married to day and I will finally see my bride"
the prophet got so angry and told him to go see her right away before they got married.
do u know what "al nathrah an shaeyah is" its when a man comes to ask for a woman hand in marriage he is allowed to see her even allowed to sit alone with her and BY ISLAM she should not wear the hejab at that moment she can wear want ever she like as long as its not too reveling, these ppl are gona spend there life together they have the right to see how the other looks, what if she thinks he is ugly or he thinks she is ugly, how can they be intimate together if they cant even look at each other? this is why men marry over there wives.
get married with out looking! no sane person would do it
dont believe every thing u hear on TV ppl there say what they believe and what they know its not always right, what I say comes from 12 years of religious education in one of the strictest and one of most sexist countries there is, if I dont know or am not sure of something I will say so cuz its wrong to teach Islam if ur not sure or dont know what ur talking about.
condescending = u think u are better
I know thats not what u mean to do, i know u mean the total opposite but if a man acted that way with me I would be pissed.
not allowed everything with medical stuff? so women cant be doctors then ?
u know by Islam I can strip naked for my doctor if I had to cuz there is a reason to do its not anything dirty so its fine doctors have always been and will be exceptions, and if u say there are women doctors I should go to them, well what if I had a heart problem and the best doctor is a man should I take second best and maybe die cuz he is a man?
if its not honored to do that then single working mothers are not honored then by what ur saying.
and if I work but always lower my gaze ok.
how am I gona show my boss that I have a strong personality and can handle management, that is shown only with the look in ur eyes thats how ur boss knows ur ready for a promotion, and what if Im giving a professional presentation I need to look at my audience faces to do it, right
and want to apologize as well i got too emotional and and got mad, its just that honey u hit a veeeeeeeeerrryyyyy sore subject in my country women like me have been fighting for our rights for years women lawyers have only been allowed to practice there work a 5years ago and there still not allowed in court, u opinions were very similar the the men in my country I fight against and when u said those things i just when crazy sorry about that
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I should have calmed down and spoken in a better way u have the right to have ur own opinion no matter how different form mine it is, the reason Im so against it is because the ppl that run my country think almost exactly like u the difference is that u believe we are equal they dont! but there are ideas are the same as u and IM LIVING in a country run by these ideas and Im going crazy saudi is the only arab country were women cant get there rights, for example if a man is abusing his wife and she has no father of brother to protect her she goes to court 10 years ago she couldn't even do that because she was not allowed in court unless she had a man with her but her man was the one she had a problem with!!! so there was no solution
Well, Saudi is like rest of the world. It needs a zaki and good imaam to rule it.
I dunno how Saudi is ruled, just know there are some oil guys who owns everything
3nodding The problem with muslim countries is, most of them goes completely down. While the rich muslim countries start turning anti-muslim, so ... well.
Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:16 pm
when u sleep on the floor(thats the only time we sleep together) u cant do anything to begin with loool
there is a hadeeth by the prophet that goes:
a man when to the prophet and said, " prophet I am so happy I am getting married to day and I will finally see my bride"
the prophet got so angry and told him to go see her right away before they got married.
do u know what "al nathrah an shaeyah is" its when a man comes to ask for a woman hand in marriage he is allowed to see her even allowed to sit alone with her and BY ISLAM she should not wear the hejab at that moment she can wear want ever she like as long as its not too reveling, these ppl are gona spend there life together they have the right to see how the other looks, what if she thinks he is ugly or he thinks she is ugly, how can they be intimate together if they cant even look at each other? this is why men marry over there wives.
get married with out looking! no sane person would do it
dont believe every thing u hear on TV ppl there say what they believe and what they know its not always right, what I say comes from 12 years of religious education in one of the strictest and one of most sexist countries there is, if I dont know or am not sure of something I will say so cuz its wrong to teach Islam if ur not sure or dont know what ur talking about.
condescending = u think u are better
I know thats not what u mean to do, i know u mean the total opposite but if a man acted that way with me I would be pissed.
not allowed everything with medical stuff? so women cant be doctors then ?
u know by Islam I can strip naked for my doctor if I had to cuz there is a reason to do its not anything dirty so its fine doctors have always been and will be exceptions, and if u say there are women doctors I should go to them, well what if I had a heart problem and the best doctor is a man should I take second best and maybe die cuz he is a man?
if its not honored to do that then single working mothers are not honored then by what ur saying.
and if I work but always lower my gaze ok.
how am I gona show my boss that I have a strong personality and can handle management, that is shown only with the look in ur eyes thats how ur boss knows ur ready for a promotion, and what if Im giving a professional presentation I need to look at my audience faces to do it, right
and want to apologize as well i got too emotional and and got mad, its just that honey u hit a veeeeeeeeerrryyyyy sore subject in my country women like me have been fighting for our rights for years women lawyers have only been allowed to practice there work a 5years ago and there still not allowed in court, u opinions were very similar the the men in my country I fight against and when u said those things i just when crazy sorry about that
I should have calmed down and spoken in a better way u have the right to have ur own opinion no matter how different form mine it is, the reason Im so against it is because the ppl that run my country think almost exactly like u the difference is that u believe we are equal they dont! but there are ideas are the same as u and IM LIVING in a country run by these ideas and Im going crazy saudi is the only arab country were women cant get there rights, for example if a man is abusing his wife and she has no father of brother to protect her she goes to court 10 years ago she couldn't even do that because she was not allowed in court unless she had a man with her but her man was the one she had a problem with!!! so there was no solution
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I study as an engineer my college is the first saudi college to teach this for women, they put "design" in the name of our courses when there is no design in them so the government will leave us alone, they wont let us learn it because women should not interact with men and engineers have to interact with the builders, so let me ask u is it fair for a man to learn something and a woman not to? when she can easily go down to the site of the building do her job better than a man, while not showing a bit of her skin and only talking about work, explaining and doing her job while still maintaining her respect as a muslim woman, why is there anything wrong with that??
why I called u naive (sorry ) is because ur not even in college yet u didn't work yet u didn't live in this world that Im in now, and ur not a woman so u dont know how hard it is to work 3 times as hard to be considered in the same level as a man btw thats in all countries just ask working women about it
but this is a discussion and I over reacted so Im sorry
Women are supposed to have education and stuff, even engineer or lawyer or wutever it is. But it has to be only if her husband allows her, and if she does not show herself too much. Let's take a example: Queen and King. The king has to speak to the country, if there is anything, Islam says. Right?
That's what i mean.
