Goddamnit S&W...

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Okay guys, this year's shot show is seriously going to make me punch a kitten. Between Smith's stunt and that mossberg weedwhacker handled shotgun, now this:



The judge is now in 28 ga. It's ******** huge. I do admit I would like to have a 20 ga. model if it came out though.

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/products/taurus-raging-judge-in-new-28-gauge-caliber/?hp=products_title

That's more ridiculous than the .600 Nitro revolver and what is with you and ridiculous hand cannons?

Why not? I think they're cool.




To completely derail the thread, if you had a new revolver you were trying to patent and sell to a company, who would you send it to? Prefferably to a well known company that is known for revolvers.

S&W was first choice, but their prices are so high and price is a main selling point on my gun. At this point, they're kind of ruled out.

Taurus was also a #1 choice, but their reliability and reputation isn't so good. I don't want me creration to be known as a POS. I hope I'm overly concerned about that.

Ruger is the next company I thought of. Actually, I just thought of it since it was on TV as I was typing this. Don't know much about them.

Anyone I'm not thinking of?

Taurus. S&W wouldn't take you seriously unless you have a history in the gun design business with other companies.  

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Just what I always wanted: a huge, heavy-kicking, expensive revolver with low accuracy. I could probably conceal one of those eight-shot S&W .357s just as well. The 640PD, maybe? Was that it? I'm supposed to be the one that knows. Model 327 Night Guard! Yeah: 8 rounds of .357 Magnum with a high-visibility sight, awesome black finish, and comfy-looking grips. If they weren't so damn expensive I'd think of one as a future winter carry gun.

To be honest, I'd probably load it with .38 Special +P rather than Magnum. I wouldn't want to sacrifice quicker second shots with marginally better power.

Then again. They are extremely cool... I think I'll have to hunt down a picture to add it to the list.

Hm, it also comes in 10mm, .45 ACP, or .44 Magnum. .44 Magnum is kind of hard to find and expensive, but I could shoot .40 in a 10mm or 10mm if I ever found any. A .45 ACP revolver would be pretty neat, but when I get a .45 I want a 1911 so I guess I'll have to decide between 8-shot .357 or 6-shot 10mm/.40.

You know, I really do want a 10/40 revolver, but ******** Smith. They have no goddamn idea what a firearm should cost any more. $1185 for the 10mm Night Guard? A GP100 in .357 goes as low as $630 MSRP, and that's what I'd pay for a revolver. $1200? I'm buying a Grand Raptor, ******** you.

Tell that part to H&K. Like they'll listen anyway since you're not an "operator".

because you suck and H&K hates you?

dont think I would ever buy an H&K myself but I'm really digging the P9S.

even if it is a single stack 9mm....least I didnt have to pay for it

I would never buy a pistol from them. The only thing I'd buy from them (If I could ******** afford it, if it's legal and if its even available for import) is a full auto G36K C. Sorry confused the two.

K has the standard carrying handle and reflex sight with no BUIS and C just comes with Iron sights and a set of rails to put whatever you please on there.

satisfied with my H&K thus far.


hey, on the plus side I can use p38 mags with this also

they do make pretty good pistols.

you know you can find police trade ins and used HK's that are in good condition and very affordable.
just stay away from VP-70's though,things are s**t and prolly the worst thing to come out of H&K ever  

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Just what I always wanted: a huge, heavy-kicking, expensive revolver with low accuracy. I could probably conceal one of those eight-shot S&W .357s just as well. The 640PD, maybe? Was that it? I'm supposed to be the one that knows. Model 327 Night Guard! Yeah: 8 rounds of .357 Magnum with a high-visibility sight, awesome black finish, and comfy-looking grips. If they weren't so damn expensive I'd think of one as a future winter carry gun.

To be honest, I'd probably load it with .38 Special +P rather than Magnum. I wouldn't want to sacrifice quicker second shots with marginally better power.

Then again. They are extremely cool... I think I'll have to hunt down a picture to add it to the list.

Hm, it also comes in 10mm, .45 ACP, or .44 Magnum. .44 Magnum is kind of hard to find and expensive, but I could shoot .40 in a 10mm or 10mm if I ever found any. A .45 ACP revolver would be pretty neat, but when I get a .45 I want a 1911 so I guess I'll have to decide between 8-shot .357 or 6-shot 10mm/.40.

You know, I really do want a 10/40 revolver, but ******** Smith. They have no goddamn idea what a firearm should cost any more. $1185 for the 10mm Night Guard? A GP100 in .357 goes as low as $630 MSRP, and that's what I'd pay for a revolver. $1200? I'm buying a Grand Raptor, ******** you.

Tell that part to H&K. Like they'll listen anyway since you're not an "operator".

because you suck and H&K hates you?

dont think I would ever buy an H&K myself but I'm really digging the P9S.

even if it is a single stack 9mm....least I didnt have to pay for it

I would never buy a pistol from them. The only thing I'd buy from them (If I could ******** afford it, if it's legal and if its even available for import) is a full auto G36K C. Sorry confused the two.

K has the standard carrying handle and reflex sight with no BUIS and C just comes with Iron sights and a set of rails to put whatever you please on there.

satisfied with my H&K thus far.


hey, on the plus side I can use p38 mags with this also

they do make pretty good pistols.

you know you can find police trade ins and used HK's that are in good condition and very affordable.

I take back the G36C. I want the G36 or the MG36 with the optional accessory kit.

That's great you have a likeable H&K pistol but other company's can give the same thing for less.  

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Tell that part to H&K. Like they'll listen anyway since you're not an "operator".

because you suck and H&K hates you?

dont think I would ever buy an H&K myself but I'm really digging the P9S.

even if it is a single stack 9mm....least I didnt have to pay for it

I would never buy a pistol from them. The only thing I'd buy from them (If I could ******** afford it, if it's legal and if its even available for import) is a full auto G36K C. Sorry confused the two.

K has the standard carrying handle and reflex sight with no BUIS and C just comes with Iron sights and a set of rails to put whatever you please on there.

satisfied with my H&K thus far.


hey, on the plus side I can use p38 mags with this also

they do make pretty good pistols.

you know you can find police trade ins and used HK's that are in good condition and very affordable.

I take back the G36C. I want the G36 or the MG36 with the optional accessory kit.

That's great you have a likeable H&K pistol but other company's can give the same thing for less.

I do like the MG36's integral bipod. It was a cute idea, but I'd bet money that it only works on a perfectly level surface.  

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Tell that part to H&K. Like they'll listen anyway since you're not an "operator".

because you suck and H&K hates you?

dont think I would ever buy an H&K myself but I'm really digging the P9S.

even if it is a single stack 9mm....least I didnt have to pay for it

I would never buy a pistol from them. The only thing I'd buy from them (If I could ******** afford it, if it's legal and if its even available for import) is a full auto G36K C. Sorry confused the two.

K has the standard carrying handle and reflex sight with no BUIS and C just comes with Iron sights and a set of rails to put whatever you please on there.

satisfied with my H&K thus far.


hey, on the plus side I can use p38 mags with this also

they do make pretty good pistols.

you know you can find police trade ins and used HK's that are in good condition and very affordable.

I take back the G36C. I want the G36 or the MG36 with the optional accessory kit.

That's great you have a likeable H&K pistol but other company's can give the same thing for less.

agreed.

it's why the USP is regarded as the best 500 dollar gun you can get for 1000 bucks.  

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Tell that part to H&K. Like they'll listen anyway since you're not an "operator".

because you suck and H&K hates you?

dont think I would ever buy an H&K myself but I'm really digging the P9S.

even if it is a single stack 9mm....least I didnt have to pay for it

I would never buy a pistol from them. The only thing I'd buy from them (If I could ******** afford it, if it's legal and if its even available for import) is a full auto G36K C. Sorry confused the two.

K has the standard carrying handle and reflex sight with no BUIS and C just comes with Iron sights and a set of rails to put whatever you please on there.

satisfied with my H&K thus far.


hey, on the plus side I can use p38 mags with this also

they do make pretty good pistols.

you know you can find police trade ins and used HK's that are in good condition and very affordable.

I take back the G36C. I want the G36 or the MG36 with the optional accessory kit.

That's great you have a likeable H&K pistol but other company's can give the same thing for less.

I do like the MG36's integral bipod. It was a cute idea, but I'd bet money that it only works on a perfectly level surface.

The bipod is actually part of the default G36 rifle as well.  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.  

[ArmasTermin]

Wait, did I say earlier I was going to buy a $1000 revolver? Because that's kind of crazy. I don't have money like that.

*Removes from list.*  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.  

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While I'm not happy about Ruger's pricing on their piston upper receivers for the AR line, I'm going with their 6.8 SPC for my existing lower assembly.

And maybe the .223 carbine length receiver if I come into any money. I love the balance of that combo. Piston receivers tend to be heavy.

What sucks about their website pricing is that it's inflated. I paid $1500 for my SR-556, and I see them at that price almost everywhere I go.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556/models.html  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.

No with every Glock you run the risk of losing a hand if you fire anything other than what the manual states you should shoot out of it.

Whoa they even have piston kits for AR pistols.  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.

No with every Glock you run the risk of losing a hand if you fire anything other than what the manual states you should shoot out of it.

Whoa they even have piston kits for AR pistols.

If you reload your own s**t, you always run that risk. Glock just doesn't handle the explosion as well as some other brands. Besides that, the only known failing is occasionally a Glock will kB! with .40S&W HydraShok. You won't hear of a Glock kB!ing abnormally except in those two circumstances, and even then reloads aren't exactly abnormal.  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.

No with every Glock you run the risk of losing a hand if you fire anything other than what the manual states you should shoot out of it.

Whoa they even have piston kits for AR pistols.

If you reload your own s**t, you always run that risk. Glock just doesn't handle the explosion as well as some other brands. Besides that, the only known failing is occasionally a Glock will kB! with .40S&W HydraShok. You won't hear of a Glock kB!ing abnormally except in those two circumstances, and even then reloads aren't exactly abnormal.

I find Glocks too troublesome when I could buy a Berretta.

A 10mm auto Glock is almost worthless to me because it's not like a 1911 based 10mm where I can fire the super heavy loadings from it.  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.

No with every Glock you run the risk of losing a hand if you fire anything other than what the manual states you should shoot out of it.

Whoa they even have piston kits for AR pistols.

If you reload your own s**t, you always run that risk. Glock just doesn't handle the explosion as well as some other brands. Besides that, the only known failing is occasionally a Glock will kB! with .40S&W HydraShok. You won't hear of a Glock kB!ing abnormally except in those two circumstances, and even then reloads aren't exactly abnormal.

I find Glocks too troublesome when I could buy a Berretta.

A 10mm auto Glock is almost worthless to me because it's not like a 1911 based 10mm where I can fire the super heavy loadings from it.

Neither of those points is relevant to this discussion?  

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I'm just going to say ******** H&K all together since Fresenl explained to me various flaws.

This would include HK416 since I could probably buy a regular AR-15 and have a manufacturer gunsmite replace the DI with short stroke but I want much more work done with the AR-15 before I could consider it a satisfactory rifle.

VP70 pistol was garbage. Berretta had it going for them with the 93R pistol but it's out of production and damn hard to find. I would consider a modified Glock 18 if Glock didnt already have issues with their barrels shaving unjacketed lead and the integrity of the frame being unsuitable to fire heavy loads and reloads.

What can I say? It has to be absolute perfection.

Both Adams Arms and ATI sell piston conversion kits for a few hundred dollars, in various lengths. From what I hear, it's a really easy install.

For the record, it's the polygonal rifling that ******** with cast lead, and H&K does that too. It results in greater accuracy and longer barrel life, at the cost of cast lead bullets. And it's not the frame that ******** with Glocks, it's the chamber, but it's mostly the .40 cal Glocks that have that problem.

No with every Glock you run the risk of losing a hand if you fire anything other than what the manual states you should shoot out of it.

Whoa they even have piston kits for AR pistols.

you can shoot +p out of a glock and it will be fine.

I dont think we need to know anything other than that besides the obvious cleaning after using a bit of lead round nose ammo common with reloads.