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Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 12:37 pm
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GilAskan Akaratichi I pretty much hate Religion in overal , get me right i dont hate Catholics Jews or whatever simply in what they believe. its all a big lie and its gotten so bad over time that poeple started wars over them. poeple treat others like they are another race but its just sad they cant realise where all the same. Religion might have given some poeple hope and security that in their believes there will be something after they die but Religion has caused so much suffering like Black poeple and Homosexuals , its outragous of course and luckelly Black poeple are welcome into this enviorment. (alright sorry for slowley going from Religions onto Racism) But also in the past it has caused allot of suffering , as for a example Crusades , useless to the normal thinking poeple but apparentley Christians thought it was a good idea to send a few thousand men of wich half of them would probabley die on the way to the destination and not the security of making it in battle , Gods will? Crusades (Christians): 9 Million Dead Mao ze Dong (Atheist): 100 Million Dead Religion doesn't start wars. People who hide behind religion start wars. They use God as an excuse for their actions, justification for their wrong doings. Religion is fine. It's organized religion which corrupts the original intentions of the faith.
But you get my idea.
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Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:47 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:41 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 12:09 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:26 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:12 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:02 pm
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:09 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 3:43 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 6:41 pm
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:55 pm
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GilAskan Crusades (Christians): 9 Million Dead Mao ze Dong (Atheist): 100 Million Dead Religion doesn't start wars. People who hide behind religion start wars. They use God as an excuse for their actions, justification for their wrong doings. Religion is fine. It's organized religion which corrupts the original intentions of the faith.
Here we go with a game of semantics again. I assume by the stastistical comparison you are trying to make a point about one group killing more than the other? Mao had a personality cult, which is a religion as it is a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Cultural revolution, Spanish inquisition. Mao, God. Look at his subordinates like Wang Dongxing, the propaganda that had farmers trying to make steel in their backyards, and the response of the current regime to prevent future cults and Whateverists.
I guess you're trying to use some sort of argument analogous to "guns don't kill people, people kill people." There's that old joke some stand-up comedian used to tell though (I forget who) that goes something like "ya know, I think the gun helps. If I just stand there and yell bang, I don't think the other person is going to die." Come on, if you are talking about "organized religion" that means it was created by a group of people and all religion is, in fact, created that way. If people are corrupt, the institution is corrupt. So you see, you can blame both people and religion because they are one and the same. It can even be seen as a way of grouping society. So don't treat religion like it is something holy that exists outside of people.
To summarize, religion is an organization, so it's organized no matter what. Religion can, in fact, not "be fine" because of innate corrupt principles and the fact that it is impossible to seperate a religion's people from the religion. Just because people are involved, does not mean that religion itself can escape blame. In fact, because it is a higher form of organization and interaction, it probably should be blamed.
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:03 pm
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some random rivethead... Silenus Slade Do what you want...if people care, they are insecure about their own beliefs. I just hope your religion isn't nihilist like Christianity. Keep things interesting. we're not nihil, jackass.
Yes, Christianity is nihilistic. You see, Christianity does not try to find meaning in life. Instead, it paints a picture of a brilliant after-life, where pain and struggle do not exist. So basically it begs the question, "what meaning is there in this?" and goes with "nevermind, look at this shiny thing over here!" Don't even start with godly love unless you have an amazing answer to theodicy, which if that were the case, the Pope would love to have a chat.
Oh, and I would appreciate it if you refrain from personal attacks, thank you. You see, in civilized society, we can engage in discussions without calling each other "jackass." Sure, it's fun to call people that and all, but things tend to degrade into name-calling or fist fights...it really doesn't get anything done. ^_^
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Posted: Sun Sep 10, 2006 8:12 pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:34 am
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