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 Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:32 am
Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time? Ino... would die too. gonk Ino -> Possess body. Harms that body, and her body is in turn, also harmed. gonk
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:39 am
Captain Verd Are you seriously trying to start an arguement with me? I mean, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this to you, but I don't like Shikamaru. That said, Chouji and Ino don't have to be useless in this situation. They are because Kishimoto says they are, which is what's annoying. It's not that Shikamaru has to be the big guy because they abilities of the enemies require it, because it's not Shikamaru's fault. I'm annoyed that Kishimoto made him out to be "The Man" in the situation, rather than focusing on some neat ol' teamwork and victory by the entire team. Crabapple's metaphor for destructive power was just that. Obviously they haven't destroyed universes, it was just an example. And by using that example, she's correct. In the recent fights, it's been set up as "I have THIS jutsu", and "Well I have THIS forbidden jutsu" to fight everyone. Not in the Asumaland fights (although Akatsuki keeps doing it), but with Sasori/Sakura and Kakashi/Deidara fights. I think you msised the point of how they could kill Hidan. What I was trying to get at was Kakuzu has to be dead in order for Hidan to die. Otherwise it wouldn't work. It has nothing to do with that. You're just singling him out and freaking out over how "great" he's trying to be. He's doing his job. This isn't about arguing with you. sad I don't see how that makes sense. If anyone can come up with how Ino or Chouji could defeat Hidan, speaketh away. Impress me. Because I can't come up with one myself. Kakuzu however, is their ideal opponent, I believe. Kishimoto focuses on the more popular characters. It's just fact. Though I could've SWORN Ino beat him on this year's favorite character voting in Japan... I won't swear on it. A lot of Shikamaru fans, anyway, have been waiting for answers. That guy is an enigma. Maybe if he finally KILLS someone, we'll learn something about him. The Ino-Shika-Chou teamwork gig was getting kind of childish to a lot of readers. Some of them felt the characters deserved more independence. Now that they have it, people are complaining. I really don't see how Chouji, or especially Ino, are fit in fighting Hidan. It was a lame "metaphor." It was just something for her to complain about. Naruto has not reached that nature EXCEPT in Naruto VS Sasuke points. It seems kind of stupid to, again, take it all out on team 10. Kakuzu is not connected to Hidan. Hidan's life is not supported by Kakuzu. Therefore, Hidan can die before him. It is also the most logical path to take out the "stronger" one, first. Kakuzu certainly is FAR more destructive, but Hidan has a power that can kill you with a drop of blood. Far more dangerous.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:48 am
CrabappleRed Captain Verd Are you seriously trying to start an arguement with me? I mean, I really don't know how much clearer I can make this to you, but I don't like Shikamaru. That said, Chouji and Ino don't have to be useless in this situation. They are because Kishimoto says they are, which is what's annoying. It's not that Shikamaru has to be the big guy because they abilities of the enemies require it, because it's not Shikamaru's fault. I'm annoyed that Kishimoto made him out to be "The Man" in the situation, rather than focusing on some neat ol' teamwork and victory by the entire team. Crabapple's metaphor for destructive power was just that. Obviously they haven't destroyed universes, it was just an example. And by using that example, she's correct. In the recent fights, it's been set up as "I have THIS jutsu", and "Well I have THIS forbidden jutsu" to fight everyone. Not in the Asumaland fights (although Akatsuki keeps doing it), but with Sasori/Sakura and Kakashi/Deidara fights. I think you msised the point of how they could kill Hidan. What I was trying to get at was Kakuzu has to be dead in order for Hidan to die. Otherwise it wouldn't work. That's pretty much it exactly. Kishimoto's being sloppy with his writing, and the big boys are degenerating into a mass of one-up manship in their fights. While it's nice that Shikamaru's abilities are being fully exploited, anyone with a bit of creativity could make fun-fun use of the rest of the team. Kakashi, for example. . . where are these thousand jutsus he's supposed to have coppied?! He's certanly not using them. And why hasn't Ino learned her dad's more advanced form of the family jutsu? And Chouji's a major heavy hitter! Send him after some of those blood puppets, maybe? *sigh* I don't know if they'd actually need to kill Kakuzu before taking out Hidan, though. Honestly, all they need to do is chop Hidan head off and then take it and run. Kakuzu can't reattach it if he can't get hold of it, right? Experienced in a lot of manga reading myself, Japanese literature, and even movies, it always goes that way in at least Shonen stories (the long ones, anyway). This part of the story is leading to a huge Climax; Sasuke and Naruto's fight. Kishimoto is using all of this drama to warm us up for what we've been waiting for. It is an actual literary technique. WHY he chose Shikamaru over Shino was pretty obvious, too. Since the beginning, Kishimoto had plans for this character. The "smart guy" in every anime, manga, whatever... ends up saving the "cool guy's" a**. Either that or contributing in a large way to help the "cool guy." This is all speculation, but hell, you guys can speculate; so can I. I think because you guys hate Shikamaru, and love his teammates, that you have a biased view on the situation. As do I, him being my favorite character. However, what makes my view more realistic is that I don't hate anyone. I like Ino and Chouji enough to know that them taking on Hidan is practically walking them calmly, hand in hand, to their deaths. It's like Shikamaru saying, "Ino, Chouji, could you guys go DIE for me?" Kakashi doe have thousands of jutsus. That doesn't make them AS STRONG as those they were copied from. It also isn't easy to just throw out ninjutsu, copied or not. Kakashi was CONSTANTLY holding Kakuzu off. He hadn't time to show off his pretty toys. And as far as Ino goes, I'm SURE she has a new jutsu, but it is also rendered quite useless in this situation. And I think you guys are being a little impatient only SO MUCH can happen in one chapter. Chouji was standing RIGHT by Shikamaru. They split up, but that doesn't mean Chouji just STOOD there like a fat idiot. Ino or Chouji might surprise Shikamaru and attack Hidan. Or they may assist Kakashi. Have a little patience. I don't think simply TAKING Hidan's head solves their problems. They'd all become bountyheads, hunted for the rest of their lives by Akatsuki. If they KILL him, he doesn't have a chance to TELL Akatsuki who did it.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:50 am
Captain Verd CrabappleRed That's pretty much it exactly. Kishimoto's being sloppy with his writing, and the big boys are degenerating into a mass of one-up manship in their fights. While it's nice that Shikamaru's abilities are being fully exploited, anyone with a bit of creativity could make fun-fun use of the rest of the team. Kakashi, for example. . . where are these thousand jutsus he's supposed to have coppied?! He's certanly not using them. And why hasn't Ino learned her dad's more advanced form of the family jutsu? And Chouji's a major heavy hitter! Send him after some of those blood puppets, maybe? *sigh* I don't know if they'd actually need to kill Kakuzu before taking out Hidan, though. Honestly, all they need to do is chop Hidan head off and then take it and run. Kakuzu can't reattach it if he can't get hold of it, right? Too true. Not all of Kakashi's jutsus can take huge amounts of chakra like chidori. Unless they're useless, like shower no jutsu, you'd think he would try to use one once in awhile. Shikamaru even said Chouji was the strongest (in terms of brute strength) out of the team finding Sasuke. It would only make sense for him to go for a full on attack. If he's strong enough, maybe he could keep Kakuzu still long enough for Ino to use her techniques or something. Strength is pretty much useless against Hidan. Agility is required. I'm not sure if Ino is any faster than Shikamaru... I know they're both pretty damn fast. Shikamaru's run surprised Temari, where Ino only showed signs of great flexibility and reflexes. If he's faster than her, he's just MADE to be Hidan's opponent. I don't see how Ino possessing anyone would aid in killing them.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:51 am
mofoslotmachine Shikalee That's because you pretend to hate him. Shikalee And because you "hate" Shikamaru, you didn't realize how suspenseful and risky what he did was. Yeah, I couldn't take the rest of your post seriously at all because of these little digs. Maybe you could try not "using" attempts like these to "annoy" people in your replies. If you can't be on topic, don't talk at all. I was only saying what was evident. I only put it in quotes because she said she doesn't have him, but strongly distastes him, or something along those lines. Because I don't spend all my life on here, pissing people off, I don't keep track of every last word said. ;/
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 10:52 am
Classic Black Sheep Hidan fufills his role as the slowest member of Atkatsuki. Very good point. xd
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 4:54 pm
Just stating that I agree with a lot of ShikaLee's points and opinions. I won't say more as Shikalee already said most of what I would have said - but clearer.
I rather like this chapter, too.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 6:52 pm
Shikalee I don't see how that makes sense. If anyone can come up with how Ino or Chouji could defeat Hidan, speaketh away. Impress me. Because I can't come up with one myself. Kishimoto could, but he chooses not to, and that's what's lame about this chapter. As far as the series is concerned, Kishimoto is omnipotent. He chose to put Ino and Chouji in the background. The irritating thing is that Shikamaru is getting this whole LOOK HOW KEWL HE IS!!!12 treatment while Chouji and Ino are the hypothetical Mr. Pink.
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Posted: Sat Dec 16, 2006 8:16 pm
Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time? Ino... would die too. gonk Ino -> Possess body. Harms that body, and her body is in turn, also harmed. gonk Well, since she's not much of a fighter I don't think she can put a hell of a fight =/...yet she can harm Kakuzu and his puppets
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 2:53 am
Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time? Ino... would die too. gonk Ino -> Possess body. Harms that body, and her body is in turn, also harmed. gonk Well, since she's not much of a fighter I don't think she can put a hell of a fight =/...yet she can harm Kakuzu and his puppets Shikalee makes a good point. If Ino does do her body switch anything that happens to Hidan(If Controlled by Ino) would happen to her body. So basically in this type of situation it's down for the remaining three to take down Kakuzu and the puppets. Also since there's element in each of them they'll be heavily damage if Kakuzu knows which element Ino and Chouji have, using the right elements from the puppets. Because with the right elements you've found another weakness. Also he's a really good analyst, Shikamaru goes after Hidan because he knows what to do with him. Kakuzu knows how to deal with Shikamaru's shadow bind, which was how he got out of it in the first place.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:17 am
Shikalee And as far as Ino goes, I'm SURE she has a new jutsu, but it is also rendered quite useless in this situation. How do you know? Any new jutsu she's learned haven't been shown to us, so whether they'd be useful or not isn't known. Shikalee If you can't be on topic, don't talk at all. I was only saying what was evident. I only put it in quotes because she said she doesn't have him, but strongly distastes him, or something along those lines. Because I don't spend all my life on here, pissing people off, I don't keep track of every last word said. ;/ I don't keep track of everything said, either, and I doubt anybody would care if you said "hate" instead of "strongly dislike". Putting it the way you did seemed like you were just trying to be a smartass.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 9:40 am
aznnam3dj1n Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time? Ino... would die too. gonk Ino -> Possess body. Harms that body, and her body is in turn, also harmed. gonk Well, since she's not much of a fighter I don't think she can put a hell of a fight =/...yet she can harm Kakuzu and his puppets Shikalee makes a good point. If Ino does do her body switch anything that happens to Hidan(If Controlled by Ino) would happen to her body. So basically in this type of situation it's down for the remaining three to take down Kakuzu and the puppets. Also since there's element in each of them they'll be heavily damage if Kakuzu knows which element Ino and Chouji have, using the right elements from the puppets. Because with the right elements you've found another weakness. Also he's a really good analyst, Shikamaru goes after Hidan because he knows what to do with him. Kakuzu knows how to deal with Shikamaru's shadow bind, which was how he got out of it in the first place. She can cancel the Shinteshin anytime she wants, she wouldnt receive heavy damage if she was fast enough
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:29 am
Otakugyrl Just stating that I agree with a lot of ShikaLee's points and opinions. I won't say more as Shikalee already said most of what I would have said - but clearer.
I rather like this chapter, too. Meh. *blinks at signature* Guess Shikamaru fans are either BLIND or we just think alike. xd ;; And thanks. But maybe they're right. That I'm a Shikamaru fan so I refuse to see how stupid it may be. I can see some stupid. But I see a lot of awesome, too. I liked it. Shikamaru yet again stood up for himself. It's not that he was passive; it's just he wouldn't "bother" to do something.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:30 am
attilathefun Shikalee I don't see how that makes sense. If anyone can come up with how Ino or Chouji could defeat Hidan, speaketh away. Impress me. Because I can't come up with one myself. Kishimoto could, but he chooses not to, and that's what's lame about this chapter. As far as the series is concerned, Kishimoto is omnipotent. He chose to put Ino and Chouji in the background. The irritating thing is that Shikamaru is getting this whole LOOK HOW KEWL HE IS!!!12 treatment while Chouji and Ino are the hypothetical Mr. Pink. That is TRUE, but I want to know why you guys think it COULD be any other way. I seriously can't think of a way they could fight and NOT have at least one casualty, without Shikamaru or Kakashi taking Hidan. gonk He IS the leader of their team. It's like Captain Kirk. He was an idiot, a lover boy, and he got all the credit, even though there were OTHER cool people on that show.
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2006 10:32 am
aznnam3dj1n Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Shikalee Juuyonbi_No_Peko_=3 Awww, Shika worries about his friends <=D...NOT! I think he's just trying to look cool... Damn, I must admit Hidan's pretty stupid, falling for it twice in the same battle? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO STAY AWAY AND PAY ATTENTION YOU a*****e! So now all Kakashi, Chouji and Ino need to do is protect Shika, kill Kakuzu and his heart puppets... no big deal =/...but what about Hidan?... No one can protect him from Hidan but himself. And quite frankly, I don't trust him with it. Shika, Ino - Hidan. Kakashi, Chouji - Wind Puppet, Fire Puppet, Lighting Puppet and Kakuzu. Ino can use Shinteshin now, so if Ino succeeds then she can attack both Kakuzu and the puppets. Kakashi and Chouji got the toughest part D=, how can they handle all of them at the same time? Ino... would die too. gonk Ino -> Possess body. Harms that body, and her body is in turn, also harmed. gonk Well, since she's not much of a fighter I don't think she can put a hell of a fight =/...yet she can harm Kakuzu and his puppets Shikalee makes a good point. If Ino does do her body switch anything that happens to Hidan(If Controlled by Ino) would happen to her body. So basically in this type of situation it's down for the remaining three to take down Kakuzu and the puppets. Also since there's element in each of them they'll be heavily damage if Kakuzu knows which element Ino and Chouji have, using the right elements from the puppets. Because with the right elements you've found another weakness. Also he's a really good analyst, Shikamaru goes after Hidan because he knows what to do with him. Kakuzu knows how to deal with Shikamaru's shadow bind, which was how he got out of it in the first place. Spank you (thank you). xd Ino COULD sacrifice herself; it WOULD save many lives. But whether or not that would be GOOD for the story... I don't know. xd Plus, I wouldn't like a girl to die with 3 guys standing there watching. It doesn't seem right.
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