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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 11:53 pm
Naniwasaga Koji-kin I was gonna say something about this. Wikipedia describes her as 'shy and amorous' meaning that she truly likes Sasuke, the way Sakura and Ino did at the beginning of the series. (I feel that they have matured and like the two of them much more now.) But when I first read it, I felt like she was trying to seduce Sasuke...maybe use her feminine wiles to get things the way she did. After all, what are these 'unique' abilities she has that Sasuke needs for his team and that Suigetsu remarked upon? (I like Suigetsu. ^-^) Then again, maybe I'm wrong and her liking Sasuke is the right theory... As for Suigetsu telling the prisoners to 'spread the word', I don't know...I got this bad feeling. Either Suigetsu is plotting against Sasuke (he certainly had no qualms threatening him) or he's helping Sasuke. And as for those people who wanted to know about Orochimaru's death- I admit, I was surprised at the ease and speed of it as well. But it was never actually technically stated that Orochimaru was dead. Just that Sasuke 'took over'. That means that there is a chance that Orochimaru will try to take over again. It is a very high chance. You saw the place Orochimaru uses to possess his bodies. Those people were still in his subconscious. This means that (perhaps?) Orochimaru is in Sasuke's subconscious, and will attempt to take control again. Very high chance. Doubtless, Sasuke acted oddly this chapter. But we haven't seen him for two years. If Naruto can mature (somewhat) and Sakura as well, why can't Sasuke change his attitude? It's definitely possible. Afterall, we wouldn't be the same in two years, either. It's not just appearance. You have a very valid point. We do change, even if it's a bit, in two years. I guess that's how Kishi is trying to make it realistic. However, it just doesn't feel like the Naruto I know. Maybe it's perhaps we're not really gotten use to the fact that Orochimaru is dead or whatnot, but I don't know, maybe he's trying to go a different direction on this one. Hopefully after they get Juugo, he'll go back to Konoha.... Well, I suppose we all need to get reaquainted with the new Naruto. He's still the ramen-loving freak we all know and adore, but he's changed, too. I mean, after chapters and chapters of knowing the old, short, little blonde boy in the orange jumpsuit, it's to be expected we don't know what to expect from him two years later. In real life, at least we'd have TWO WHOLE years to realize he's changed. But since this is a story, we just sorta...skipped to the new Naruto. It's like taking your best friend, throwing him through a time warp, and BAM, he comes back, two years older and different while we remain the same. Actually, you'll notice that Orochimaru has not actually been STATED dead, just that Sasuke has...taken over. There is always the chance of him regaining control once again. I doubt Sasuke would go back to Konoha, most likely he will attempt to seek Itachi out. But he is no longer the eager little avenger we know, I'm positive he has learened patience and tactics by now (although I can't guarantee him not going berserk at the sight of his older brother). He'll try to set up and advantageous stage before going after Itachi. Sasuke would not go to Konoha because there is no reason for him to go back. He's 'severed all ties and bonds' and he's too proud to return there, even if he ends up defeating Itachi. Someone (Naruto or Sakura perhaps) will have to hit him over the head, if he DOES end up killing Itachi, and bring him back. If he doesn't, well...there's that whole theory I wrote in my post before.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:49 am
Just out of curiosity: How can anyone say for sure whether they hate Karin or not? She's only been in one chapter so far, and has been pretty erratic D:
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:56 pm
Captain Verd Just out of curiosity: How can anyone say for sure whether they hate Karin or not? She's only been in one chapter so far, and has been pretty erratic D: Very good point.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 7:42 pm
Karin looked so cool. And I think Juugo is gay. If that is Juugo.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:11 pm
Koji-kin Naniwasaga Koji-kin I was gonna say something about this. Wikipedia describes her as 'shy and amorous' meaning that she truly likes Sasuke, the way Sakura and Ino did at the beginning of the series. (I feel that they have matured and like the two of them much more now.) But when I first read it, I felt like she was trying to seduce Sasuke...maybe use her feminine wiles to get things the way she did. After all, what are these 'unique' abilities she has that Sasuke needs for his team and that Suigetsu remarked upon? (I like Suigetsu. ^-^) Then again, maybe I'm wrong and her liking Sasuke is the right theory... As for Suigetsu telling the prisoners to 'spread the word', I don't know...I got this bad feeling. Either Suigetsu is plotting against Sasuke (he certainly had no qualms threatening him) or he's helping Sasuke. And as for those people who wanted to know about Orochimaru's death- I admit, I was surprised at the ease and speed of it as well. But it was never actually technically stated that Orochimaru was dead. Just that Sasuke 'took over'. That means that there is a chance that Orochimaru will try to take over again. It is a very high chance. You saw the place Orochimaru uses to possess his bodies. Those people were still in his subconscious. This means that (perhaps?) Orochimaru is in Sasuke's subconscious, and will attempt to take control again. Very high chance. Doubtless, Sasuke acted oddly this chapter. But we haven't seen him for two years. If Naruto can mature (somewhat) and Sakura as well, why can't Sasuke change his attitude? It's definitely possible. Afterall, we wouldn't be the same in two years, either. It's not just appearance. You have a very valid point. We do change, even if it's a bit, in two years. I guess that's how Kishi is trying to make it realistic. However, it just doesn't feel like the Naruto I know. Maybe it's perhaps we're not really gotten use to the fact that Orochimaru is dead or whatnot, but I don't know, maybe he's trying to go a different direction on this one. Hopefully after they get Juugo, he'll go back to Konoha.... Well, I suppose we all need to get reaquainted with the new Naruto. He's still the ramen-loving freak we all know and adore, but he's changed, too. I mean, after chapters and chapters of knowing the old, short, little blonde boy in the orange jumpsuit, it's to be expected we don't know what to expect from him two years later. In real life, at least we'd have TWO WHOLE years to realize he's changed. But since this is a story, we just sorta...skipped to the new Naruto. It's like taking your best friend, throwing him through a time warp, and BAM, he comes back, two years older and different while we remain the same. Actually, you'll notice that Orochimaru has not actually been STATED dead, just that Sasuke has...taken over. There is always the chance of him regaining control once again. I doubt Sasuke would go back to Konoha, most likely he will attempt to seek Itachi out. But he is no longer the eager little avenger we know, I'm positive he has learened patience and tactics by now (although I can't guarantee him not going berserk at the sight of his older brother). He'll try to set up and advantageous stage before going after Itachi. Sasuke would not go to Konoha because there is no reason for him to go back. He's 'severed all ties and bonds' and he's too proud to return there, even if he ends up defeating Itachi. Someone (Naruto or Sakura perhaps) will have to hit him over the head, if he DOES end up killing Itachi, and bring him back. If he doesn't, well...there's that whole theory I wrote in my post before. I think what my friend Nani meant was that Kishimoto would focus back to Konoha, not Sasuke returning. Me on the other hand, I agree with you on the part of Orochimaru. He may not be dead afterall. Perhaps just trapped. Though I believe that has already been stated elsewhere... sweatdrop
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:17 pm
Honh I think what my friend Nani meant was that Kishimoto would focus back to Konoha, not Sasuke returning. Me on the other hand, I agree with you on the part of Orochimaru. He may not be dead afterall. Perhaps just trapped. Though I believe that has already been stated elsewhere... sweatdrop Ah, my mistake then. I don't know, I came to that conclusion on my own and just restated it whenever someone declares that Oro-chan is dead...
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:26 pm
The fact is i have said before that i don't think orochimaru is dead. That was to quick, even in the state he was in, for a SANNIN to die. He will be back. There is no way after 2 1/2 years of training Sasuke could do that.
As for Sasuke I think he will come back to Konoha, only once he has killed Itachi...He said way back then that his goal was to kill Itachi and to revive his clan meaning he wants to start his clan over.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:33 pm
`Renny The fact is i have said before that i don't think orochimaru is dead. That was to quick, even in the state he was in, for a SANNIN to die. He will be back. There is no way after 2 1/2 years of training Sasuke could do that. As for Sasuke I think he will come back to Konoha, only once he has killed Itachi...He said way back then that his goal was to kill Itachi and to revive his clan meaning he wants to start his clan over. There's also the fact that we never actually saw Orochimaru die. So I believe he lives in Sasuke's subconscious, biding his time. I doubt that. You know that revenge doesn't solve anything. Kakashi tried to tell Sasuke that before he left Konoha. He can't just kill Itachi, achieve his lifelong goal and return to Konoha to have a billion kids. It's not in his nature. He'll have a lot of inner conflict. Who knows if he'll actually be the one (Because being as stubborn as he is, he won't stop until Itachi is dead- meaning he'll make a fatal mistake and kill Itachi again, or Itachi is killed by accident, suicide, or by someone else's hands) to kill Itachi?
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:47 pm
Koji-kin `Renny The fact is i have said before that i don't think orochimaru is dead. That was to quick, even in the state he was in, for a SANNIN to die. He will be back. There is no way after 2 1/2 years of training Sasuke could do that. As for Sasuke I think he will come back to Konoha, only once he has killed Itachi...He said way back then that his goal was to kill Itachi and to revive his clan meaning he wants to start his clan over. There's also the fact that we never actually saw Orochimaru die. So I believe he lives in Sasuke's subconscious, biding his time. I doubt that. You know that revenge doesn't solve anything. Kakashi tried to tell Sasuke that before he left Konoha. He can't just kill Itachi, achieve his lifelong goal and return to Konoha to have a billion kids. It's not in his nature. He'll have a lot of inner conflict. Who knows if he'll actually be the one (Because being as stubborn as he is, he won't stop until Itachi is dead- meaning he'll make a fatal mistake and kill Itachi again, or Itachi is killed by accident, suicide, or by someone else's hands) to kill Itachi? I know that revenge doesn't solve the problem, I am not saying your wrong cause you bring up alot of valid points, but we don't know if his goals have changed. We know he wants to kill Itchai, thats a given, but you saying that he doesn't possibly want to try and revive his clan is an outrage. Even Naruto is following his goal to be hokage, but he wants to do that for a slightly different reason now, thats because he is capable, not because he wants to be noticed and respected. He is known and respected now, people in the village don't look down on him like they use to. So whats to say Sasuke doesn't want to continue his goal to try and kill Itachi(Not saying he will, but he wants to be the one to do it, so you know that he will do everything in his power to do so) then try to revive his clan. He doesn't have to have billions of kids to revive his clan, if he has one boy at least thats trying to do so. My point is that no one knows if his goals have changed.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 9:53 pm
`Renny Koji-kin `Renny The fact is i have said before that i don't think orochimaru is dead. That was to quick, even in the state he was in, for a SANNIN to die. He will be back. There is no way after 2 1/2 years of training Sasuke could do that. As for Sasuke I think he will come back to Konoha, only once he has killed Itachi...He said way back then that his goal was to kill Itachi and to revive his clan meaning he wants to start his clan over. There's also the fact that we never actually saw Orochimaru die. So I believe he lives in Sasuke's subconscious, biding his time. I doubt that. You know that revenge doesn't solve anything. Kakashi tried to tell Sasuke that before he left Konoha. He can't just kill Itachi, achieve his lifelong goal and return to Konoha to have a billion kids. It's not in his nature. He'll have a lot of inner conflict. Who knows if he'll actually be the one (Because being as stubborn as he is, he won't stop until Itachi is dead- meaning he'll make a fatal mistake and kill Itachi again, or Itachi is killed by accident, suicide, or by someone else's hands) to kill Itachi? I know that revenge doesn't solve the problem, I am not saying your wrong cause you bring up alot of valid points, but we don't know if his goals have changed. We know he wants to kill Itchai, thats a given, but you saying that he doesn't possibly want to try and revive his clan is an outrage. Even Naruto is following his goal to be hokage, but he wants to do that for a slightly different reason now, thats because he is capable, not because he wants to be noticed and respected. He is known and respected now, people in the village don't look down on him like they use to. So whats to say Sasuke doesn't want to continue his goal to try and kill Itachi(Not saying he will, but he wants to be the one to do it, so you know that he will do everything in his power to do so) then try to revive his clan. He doesn't have to have billions of kids to revive his clan, if he has one boy at least thats trying to do so. My point is that no one knows if his goals have changed. I know he doesn't have to have a billion kids, I was just exaggerating. But who exactly will he revive his clan with? Sasuke can't just waltz up to a girl and ask her to bear his childern. That's a Miroku thing, not Sasuke. It'd be way too OOC if he did. He'd have to heal, to fall in love, and after killing Itachi, who knows what he'll be like? I also know that Sasuke's goal has not changed. I'm saying that there is always the aftershock of killing Itachi. I mean, you'd thinki they'd drill the thought that revenge will not fix everything through his skull in these two years, but he lived with Orochimaru, who probably encouraged itl.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:08 pm
Koji-kin `Renny Koji-kin `Renny The fact is i have said before that i don't think orochimaru is dead. That was to quick, even in the state he was in, for a SANNIN to die. He will be back. There is no way after 2 1/2 years of training Sasuke could do that. As for Sasuke I think he will come back to Konoha, only once he has killed Itachi...He said way back then that his goal was to kill Itachi and to revive his clan meaning he wants to start his clan over. There's also the fact that we never actually saw Orochimaru die. So I believe he lives in Sasuke's subconscious, biding his time. I doubt that. You know that revenge doesn't solve anything. Kakashi tried to tell Sasuke that before he left Konoha. He can't just kill Itachi, achieve his lifelong goal and return to Konoha to have a billion kids. It's not in his nature. He'll have a lot of inner conflict. Who knows if he'll actually be the one (Because being as stubborn as he is, he won't stop until Itachi is dead- meaning he'll make a fatal mistake and kill Itachi again, or Itachi is killed by accident, suicide, or by someone else's hands) to kill Itachi? I know that revenge doesn't solve the problem, I am not saying your wrong cause you bring up alot of valid points, but we don't know if his goals have changed. We know he wants to kill Itchai, thats a given, but you saying that he doesn't possibly want to try and revive his clan is an outrage. Even Naruto is following his goal to be hokage, but he wants to do that for a slightly different reason now, thats because he is capable, not because he wants to be noticed and respected. He is known and respected now, people in the village don't look down on him like they use to. So whats to say Sasuke doesn't want to continue his goal to try and kill Itachi(Not saying he will, but he wants to be the one to do it, so you know that he will do everything in his power to do so) then try to revive his clan. He doesn't have to have billions of kids to revive his clan, if he has one boy at least thats trying to do so. My point is that no one knows if his goals have changed. I know he doesn't have to have a billion kids, I was just exaggerating. But who exactly will he revive his clan with? Sasuke can't just waltz up to a girl and ask her to bear his childern. That's a Miroku thing, not Sasuke. It'd be way too OOC if he did. He'd have to heal, to fall in love, and after killing Itachi, who knows what he'll be like? I also know that Sasuke's goal has not changed. I'm saying that there is always the aftershock of killing Itachi. I mean, you'd thinki they'd drill the thought that revenge will not fix everything through his skull in these two years, but he lived with Orochimaru, who probably encouraged itl. LOL...I think he could probably pull the Miroku thing better than Miroku. I know both Sakura and Ino would go CuCu for coco puffs if he asked one of them to bear his child. I see your point he would have to heal after his fight and he would have to kill Itachi, but who says he has to fall in love. That wouldn't sound like Sasuke to me, if he fell in love....to me sasuke has always been a loner, thanks to Itachi. I also agree with you saying that people are drilling the fact that revenge won't fix anything, but ITACHI told sasuke when he was young that he wanted sasuke to be the one to kill him. So no matter what anyone says you know that all that Sasuke is thinking is "Itachi wants me to kill him or at least try."
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:46 pm
`Renny LOL...I think he could probably pull the Miroku thing better than Miroku. I know both Sakura and Ino would go CuCu for coco puffs if he asked one of them to bear his child. I see your point he would have to heal after his fight and he would have to kill Itachi, but who says he has to fall in love. That wouldn't sound like Sasuke to me, if he fell in love....to me sasuke has always been a loner, thanks to Itachi. I also agree with you saying that people are drilling the fact that revenge won't fix anything, but ITACHI told sasuke when he was young that he wanted sasuke to be the one to kill him. So no matter what anyone says you know that all that Sasuke is thinking is "Itachi wants me to kill him or at least try." Well, yeah, women would fall at his feet, but I don't think Sakura and Ino are like that anymore. I get so mad at that prejudice, because they've matured! Originally I hated Sakura, but after the Chuunin exams, she and Ino are better than that now! Hell, now in Shippuden I think Sakura and Naruto would be a great couple!! Well, I'm not saying he'll fall in love- you're right, Sasuke doesn't strike me as the type- but I can't see him settling down, either. Sure, Itachi told Sasuke that, but maybe, just maybe- a small part of him, the part that never grew up as he clung to the idea of killing his brother- still respects his brother, and longs to defeat him. It's that childish bit that won't see reason. I dunno. It's all in Kishi's hands.
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:27 pm
Captain Verd Just out of curiosity: How can anyone say for sure whether they hate Karin or not? She's only been in one chapter so far, and has been pretty erratic D: Well, people disliked Ino and Sakura because they where all lovey dovey fangirl when they see Sasuke. So it was hard to respect them as a ninja when they are like that. As for Karin, whats the first thing she does when she is alone with Sasuke? Yup you get it now. Karin, just another Sasuke fan. Right next to Orochimaru. What i think is Sasuke is going to rebuild his clan in another village. Probably the Sound Village, since Orochimaru was the kage of that village. I dont think the Leaf would let him back it after he just up'ed and left.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:04 am
Frostman Captain Verd Just out of curiosity: How can anyone say for sure whether they hate Karin or not? She's only been in one chapter so far, and has been pretty erratic D: Well, people disliked Ino and Sakura because they where all lovey dovey fangirl when they see Sasuke. So it was hard to respect them as a ninja when they are like that. As for Karin, whats the first thing she does when she is alone with Sasuke? Yup you get it now. Karin, just another Sasuke fan. Right next to Orochimaru. What i think is Sasuke is going to rebuild his clan in another village. Probably the Sound Village, since Orochimaru was the kage of that village. I dont think the Leaf would let him back it after he just up'ed and left. That's what I was thinking. It would be really cool if he started his own place.
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Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:26 pm
Captain Verd Frostman Captain Verd Just out of curiosity: How can anyone say for sure whether they hate Karin or not? She's only been in one chapter so far, and has been pretty erratic D: Well, people disliked Ino and Sakura because they where all lovey dovey fangirl when they see Sasuke. So it was hard to respect them as a ninja when they are like that. As for Karin, whats the first thing she does when she is alone with Sasuke? Yup you get it now. Karin, just another Sasuke fan. Right next to Orochimaru. What i think is Sasuke is going to rebuild his clan in another village. Probably the Sound Village, since Orochimaru was the kage of that village. I dont think the Leaf would let him back it after he just up'ed and left. That's what I was thinking. It would be really cool if he started his own place. Hidden Avenger village? I can see the logo already.
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