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 Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:00 pm
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spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez xStephanx spooky_sez Who cares what music people listen to? Seriously.
Well, that's what the scene is about right? There's just no need for people to be dicks about it (the elitists) or to claim to be something they are ignorant of (baby-bats). Heavy metal represent yo. Peace.
I know I was being a wigger. ^^ |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:03 pm
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Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez xStephanx spooky_sez Who cares what music people listen to? Seriously.
Well, that's what the scene is about right? There's just no need for people to be dicks about it (the elitists) or to claim to be something they are ignorant of (baby-bats). Heavy metal represent yo. Peace. I know I was being a wigger. ^^
Or a hippie razz |
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-Resurrected Writer- Crew
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:04 pm
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-Resurrected Writer- Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez Sure, but it's not just about music any more. I barely listen to any Goth music at all. I like it, but I'm a rocker, baby! Heavy metal represent yo. Peace. I know I was being a wigger. ^^ Or a hippie razz
OI!
Don't call me a hippy or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with the soggy end.
Whoa... Sorry about that... sort of became a reflex action to say that. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:06 pm
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Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez xStephanx spooky_sez Who cares what music people listen to? Seriously.
Well, that's what the scene is about right? There's just no need for people to be dicks about it (the elitists) or to claim to be something they are ignorant of (baby-bats). Heavy metal represent yo. Peace. I know I was being a wigger. ^^
Yo, I knew dat homes, chill dawg. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:09 pm
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spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez Sure, but it's not just about music any more. I barely listen to any Goth music at all. I like it, but I'm a rocker, baby! Heavy metal represent yo. Peace. I know I was being a wigger. ^^
Keepin' it real, in my crib homes. You dig my sheezy? |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:32 pm
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Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez Rellik San spooky_sez Sure, but it's not just about music any more. I barely listen to any Goth music at all. I like it, but I'm a rocker, baby! Heavy metal represent yo. Peace. I know I was being a wigger. ^^ Keepin' it real, in my crib homes. You dig my sheezy?
I dig fow reel, playah! |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:56 pm
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Rellik San Sinister Kung Fu Blackrose Kaire Because I don't feel like being thrown out of this guild for something so stupid. I actually happen to like this guild,and the people in it,and I actually enjoy coming here for reasons other than being arrogant or putting someone down. So this is the end of it,throw whatever little insults you have left at me if you want.^_^ Um. You're doing it again..... Dude, get off your high horse and stop being such an elitist a** hat. Thats my two sense, which of course you'll probably ignore because I'm not a goth, I mean after all its not like I was brought up by a goth who has been a goth since the entire thing started.
There you go with that nonsense again. Just because your mom was a goth, doesn't mean you know anything about it. My mom was a teacher, that doesn't mean I could teach a class. rolleyes
Also, would someone mind explaining to me how the ******** I'm the one being an elitist here? I'm not the one saying people have to dress a certain way to be accepted by the scene. That's the whole ******** point. Obviously you people aren't really a very perceptive bunch though. I never flamed anyone until that crazy b***h jumped down my throat for no ******** reason. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:09 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:14 pm
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Ashitaka-Mononokes_Love By elitist, I mean that I am not a babybat. And, I am extremely against those who claim to be a big part of the sub-culture, yet fail to understand the basic nature of the ideal. If there is, as was said before, a babybat who had no idea what he/she was doing, and that was his/her only crime to his/her claim, then that is fine. What bugs me is the "Mansonites" who claim "goth" and yet, have never even heard of "The Cure," "Bauhaus," Siouxie and the Banshees," or "Joy Division." In other words, the goth "Big Four." Before I Was goth, I had listened to two of these bands and loved them. Then as I progressed into the "scene" and got farther and deeper in, I found the others. And I have found many amazing goth bands... All of which put most mainstream music to shame. And it thoroughly angers me, when people claim to be something that not only are they not in compliance with thier claims, but they have no knowledge, thereof. Thank you... -Wyntre
I'm put you more into the middle ground if you're not harsh on the n00bs then. |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:39 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:41 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:47 pm
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:59 pm
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Lila Malvae I think the opening post needs to be cleared up. Spooky kids and painters I think is what you're describing there. Baby bats are goths of any type who are underage or under the drinking age. Hence "baby". Most of them just tend to be of the spooky kid persuasion.
Hm, a moot point. Whenever I've heard babybat used, its been for the generation of kids who claim to be Goth who are in fact metallers. Of course the downside to this is that the kids of that generation have to prove that's not what they are quite often.
Spooky kids and the like don't very Goth at all to me. I mean there's not much in common between Marilyn Manson and Coal Chamber and Clan of Xymox and Cruxshadows, two totally different scenes.
Quote: I live with a 28 year old vet who claims to be old-school. He doesn't dress up or anything. He mostly wears really plain clothes like band shirts, plain black or white shirts, black jeans, military surplus boots, and his leather jacket. That's it... he doesn't even have tattoos. The only piece of jewelry he might wear is his class ring... and that's rare. He's never said anything to me about my choice of clothes and music, but I know he does like to go to goth clubs to mock people. Well, for the most part.
Lol. There's a Goth club here in Luton that attracts people 35+ (the guy who runs it is 39). I've met so many older Goth's through it and its really like another subculture to the EBM-driven futurepop and darkwave sound that dominates today.
Quote: Anyway, I've met a lot of spooky kid-types who act like elitists as well. I just think your opening post needs a bit of clarification.
Well, I'm all ears. What do you feel needs changing? |
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:24 pm
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From a musical standpoint, there isn't much that is similar about those two groups. From a sociological standpoint, however... it does ring of the basic concepts of the counterculture.
A lot of the younger kids don't give a s**t about all of that, but anyway, I was just talking about the spooky kid-esque younger crowd who thinks Hot Topic and anyplace else where band shirts and black "goth-style" clothes are in line with the culture.
The Goth culture stems from the Punk Rock counterculture both in musical progression and to a point with some of the common characteristics.
The younger kids hear what's on the radio, and unless they go out of their way or someone does it for them, that's all they're exposed to. So, they think all the mainstream crap they find is a part of the scene. I can't really blame them for that. Ignorance, although annoying, doesn't call for some of the stuff they get put through by elitists. It's like high school bullshit that the seniors put the freshman through.
In the end, those kinds of elitists are only either annoyed or are trying to justify something to themselves.
Just because someone wasn't born 30 years ago doesn't mean they aren't a part of the culture... To say that would be to implicate that it truly has died out with the times. Frankly, it isn't true because regardless of the commercialism, there is a market. There are artists whose products are in line with the basic characteristics of the culture. It exists, and I've never read any material that says basically the Goth Fire Marshall has declared that there shall be no more than X amount of Goths at one time.
Most of the younger kids are just either ignorant of the older parts of the culture, or they like what they grew up with, which is a matter of personal preference.
I don't know about specifically defining it, I just think that it's not really fair that you're lumping the younger kids in one category when it's not necessarily true.
Some kids I was friends with in high school were more like spooky kids, but that doesn't mean that I'm one of them too cause I'm a certain age and I claim to be goth.
But I still get some s**t for being so young, despite the music I listen to, the clothes I wear, and the stuff I write or say.
I think instead of baby bat and elitist and moderate, you could probably give age groups... and not generalize so much.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:37 pm
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Lila Malvae From a musical standpoint, there isn't much that is similar about those two groups. From a sociological standpoint, however... it does ring of the basic concepts of the counterculture. A lot of the younger kids don't give a s**t about all of that, but anyway, I was just talking about the spooky kid-esque younger crowd who thinks Hot Topic and anyplace else where band shirts and black "goth-style" clothes are in line with the culture. The Goth culture stems from the Punk Rock counterculture both in musical progression and to a point with some of the common characteristics. The younger kids hear what's on the radio, and unless they go out of their way or someone does it for them, that's all they're exposed to. So, they think all the mainstream crap they find is a part of the scene. I can't really blame them for that. Ignorance, although annoying, doesn't call for some of the stuff they get put through by elitists. It's like high school bullshit that the seniors put the freshman through. In the end, those kinds of elitists are only either annoyed or are trying to justify something to themselves. Just because someone wasn't born 30 years ago doesn't mean they aren't a part of the culture... To say that would be to implicate that it truly has died out with the times. Frankly, it isn't true because regardless of the commercialism, there is a market. There are artists whose products are in line with the basic characteristics of the culture. It exists, and I've never read any material that says basically the Goth Fire Marshall has declared that there shall be no more than X amount of Goths at one time. Most of the younger kids are just either ignorant of the older parts of the culture, or they like what they grew up with, which is a matter of personal preference. I don't know about specifically defining it, I just think that it's not really fair that you're lumping the younger kids in one category when it's not necessarily true. Some kids I was friends with in high school were more like spooky kids, but that doesn't mean that I'm one of them too cause I'm a certain age and I claim to be goth. But I still get some s**t for being so young, despite the music I listen to, the clothes I wear, and the stuff I write or say. I think instead of baby bat and elitist and moderate, you could probably give age groups... and not generalize so much.
Ah, you've misread the definition I gave.
Babybat is not equivilant to young Goth, in the definition my circle of peeps use. Of course I don't own the term, and my definition isn't the only one. The elitist people can be (and often are) under drinking age.
I second what you say about kids only knowing what's on the radio though. And there's no reason the kids growing up on NIN and Marilyn Manson should suddenly start listening to The Cruxshadows just to fit in. That said... if they want to be in the scene, to enjoy going down Slimelight or Synthetic Culture, they will have to know the music of that scene, and that will naturally follow going out into the scene and seeing it for themselves. Thus, my tolerance of them. |
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