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 Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:52 pm
I know the story. Or I've read it from someone in the guild ^_^
U know the muslims ruled Spain? Later the christians conquered Spain, and well they told some muslims they would send them home, so they filled a ship with muslims, and sailed out on the water. Then they sink the ship, and had a laugh out of it. <- Valentines day.
I don't need to say it just 1 day smile If i truly love someone, i will try to say it everyday if i get time razz I wouldn't send a valentines card to my family, so no stare Valentines day is the day of young lovers where they send cards, which is Jin's point.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:31 pm
i cant bother debating on this right now so i rather not post my opinion 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:44 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:46 pm
The_Pathan I know the story. Or I've read it from someone in the guild ^_^ U know the muslims ruled Spain? Later the christians conquered Spain, and well they told some muslims they would send them home, so they filled a ship with muslims, and sailed out on the water. Then they sink the ship, and had a laugh out of it. <- Valentines day. I don't need to say it just 1 day smile If i truly love someone, i will try to say it everyday if i get time razz I wouldn't send a valentines card to my family, so no stare Valentines day is the day of young lovers where they send cards, which is Jin's point. I agree that Valentine's day isn't the only day you're supposed to say that you love someone. I think it's just "symbolic" just like how in Canada we have Family Day and Thanksgiving. I mean, you are supposed to be thankful and love your family everyday but there's a day to "remind" you of that...I think.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:19 pm
owh my allah ur terribly right
and thanks for all these hints and info
may allah bless this guild more and more
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:45 pm
mashallah may allah please u
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:08 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 4:59 pm
Honestly,I think people can do whatever they want,their choice,not ours,
They can choose to celebrate Valentines Day,or not
I don't rlly get why people have to fight over this,I mean,he was just writing something that Muslim ppl think is rite,What's so wrong about that D:
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:48 pm
dTranquility There's a history about Valentines Day and Islam. That's why the Muslims is forbid from celebrating Valentines Day. It is also like another dark past of Islam. I could not really remember. .__." Need to find it though. Just like april fools day...we shouldn't celebrate that either...but some of my other jahil muslim friends celebrated it...happily....astaghfirullahalazim~
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:27 pm
"According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, there were at least three early Christian saints by the name of Valentine. While one was a priest in Rome, another was a bishop in Terni. Nothing is known about the third St. Valentine except that he met his end in Africa. Surprisingly, all three of them were said to have been martyred on 14th February.
It is clear that Pope Gelasius intended to honor the first of these three aforementioned men. Most scholars believe that this St. Valentine was a priest who lived around 270 AD in Rome and attracted the disfavor of Roman emperor Claudius II who ruled during this time.
The story of St. Valentine has two different versions - the Protestant and the Catholic one. Both versions agree upon Saint Valentine being a bishop who held secret marriage ceremonies of soldiers in opposition to Claudius II who had prohibited marriage for young men and was executed by the latter. During the lifetime of Valentine, the golden era of Roman empire had almost come to an end. Lack of quality administrators led to frequent civil strife. Education declined, taxation increased and trade witnessed a very bad time. The Roman empire faced crisis from all sides, from the Gauls, Slavs, Huns, Turks and Mongolians from Northern Europe and Asia. The empire had grown too large to be shielded from external aggression and internal chaos with existing forces. Naturally, more and more capable men were required to to be recruited as soldiers and officers to protect the nation from takeover. When Claudius became the emperor, he felt that married men were more emotionally attached to their families, and thus, will not make good soldiers. He believed that marriage made the men weak. So he issued an edict forbidding marriage to assure quality soldiers.
The ban on marriage was a great shock for the Romans. But they dared not voice their protest against the mighty emperor. The kindly bishop Valentine also realized the injustice of the decree. He saw the trauma of young lovers who gave up all hopes of being united in marriage. He planned to counter the monarch's orders in secrecy. Whenever lovers thought of marrying, they went to Valentine who met them afterwards in a secret place, and joined them in the sacrament of matrimony. And thus he secretly performed many marriages for young lovers. But such things cannot remain hidden for long. It was only a matter of time before Claudius came to know of this "friend of lovers," and had him arrested.
While awaiting his sentence in prison, Valentine was approached by his jailor, Asterius. It was said that Valentine had some saintly abilities and one of them granted him the power to heal people. Asterius had a blind daughter and knowing of the miraculous powers of Valentine he requested the latter to restore the sight of his blind daughter. The Catholic legend has it that Valentine did this through the vehicle of his strong faith, a phenomenon refuted by the Protestant version which agrees otherwise with the Catholic one. Whatever the fact, it appears that Valentine in some way did succeed to help Asterius' blind daughter.
When Claudius II met Valentine, he was said to have been impressed by the dignity and conviction of the latter. However, Valentine refused to agree with the emperor regarding the ban on marriage. It is also said that the emperor tried to convert Valentine to the Roman gods but was unsuccesful in his efforts. Valentine refused to recognize Roman Gods and even attempted to convert the emperor, knowing the consequences fully. This angered Claudius II who gave the order of execution of Valentine.
Meanwhile, a deep friendship had been formed between Valentine and Asterius' daughter. It caused great grief to the young girl to hear of his friend's imminent death. It is said that just before his execution, Valentine asked for a pen and paper from his jailor, and signed a farewell message to her "From Your Valentine," a phrase that lived ever after. As per another legend, Valentine fell in love with the daughter of his jailer during his imprisonment. However, this legend is not given much importance by historians. The most plausible story surrounding St. Valentine is one not centered on Eros (passionate love) but on agape (Christian love): he was martyred for refusing to renounce his religion. Valentine is believed to have been executed on February 14, 270 AD.
Thus 14th February became a day for all lovers and Valentine became its Patron Saint. It began to be annually observed by young Romans who offered handwritten greetings of affection, known as Valentines, on this day to the women they admired. With the coming of Christianity, the day came to be known as St. Valentine's Day "
That is pretty much the basic story I'll post the link at the end of the post.
In my understanding in Islam dating in not the "halal way" is forbidden. When i mean halal way i mean when you are getting to know the person you are about to marry in an Islamic way.
So weather there is a time just for couples in general if you are not married or don't have a legit fiance(e) it isn't allowed.
Now, if you are married, then there should not be a problem with celebrating on this day...In general one should show their spouse their love and respect towards them every single day! But you know to add a little extra here or there it should be fine....The whole actual history of Valentines Day and todays interpurtation of Valintines day is 2 totally diffrent things..so it is not religiously related to any particular religion.
And that's my understanding...The lecture should more be of restraining on not following the social trend and allowing yourself to stray from your religion. Sources:http://www.theholidayspot.com/valentine/history_of_valentine.htm
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 9:15 pm
everyday is love day ...
thats simple .
= =
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 12:42 am
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 1:30 am
while i was in america not that much people knew i was muslim but i stilled sent cards during school i know im muslim but many people didnt know so i just joined,but i stopped when i moved here 2yrs ago(bosnia the place i moved 2)
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 3:14 am
I agree with you,, but some of my friends still celebrating it,, if I try to tell them its forbidden for us, they say "'shut up, u dont know everything do u?"
well,, its their sin anyway, at least I try to tell them right??
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