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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:03 am
Voldemort point two Jin Saga We shall see who was right after we all Die 3nodding I honestly hope you don't wait that long. Also, here's another gem of wisdom from the amazing, fantastic and wonderful Spike Zantren (who I hope is reading this. xp ). If you're right, then reading this isn't going to damage your faith, so just read it: Quote: And it absolutely astounds me doesn't surprise me at all that they didn't even read your post or respond to it. Islam is a lot like Roman Catholicism in a way. For one, they don't gain many converts, but they grow exponentially because the members have so many children, and their entire lives they're brought up in it and become indoctrinated and taught not to think outside of their dogma. If there was anything I would agree with an Atheist on, it's that cults brainwash people. Yes Ive read it.. Many Christians Convert To Islam.. Also Former Dominee Yusuf Estes. And Im not even talking about Young People. Old People convertingto Islam.. there's a man about 95 years old who converted to Islam?... want Prove I can bring u the youtube video.. where a Former Christian Dominee, converted to Islam and became Imaam ( No its not Yusuf Estes Another one. ) And If Brainwashed is following the Truth.. then Im very Brainwashed. Also... about what you said " Wait So Long ". Ill Pass That Straight Back To You. My Christian Friend. wink
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:13 am
Brainwashed is brainwashed, even if you're brainwashed into the truth, which you're not. Brainwashed is listening to religious chants for fun and not listening to anything else. Brainwashed is believing all the lies you're fed about Christianity and the media. Brainwashed is ignoring posts in debates and then picking arguments that were answered in the posts you ignored.
I've heard about Christians converting to Islam as well. I even know someone who converted, and I can tell you that she wasn't a very good Christian to start with. She might not have even been a Christian in the first place. Maybe she'd have been a Christian by your definition, but not by God's. I'm pretty sure the same goes for all the other "Christians" who converted.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:31 am
Voldemort point two Brainwashed is brainwashed, even if you're brainwashed into the truth, which you're not. Brainwashed is listening to religious chants for fun and not listening to anything else. Brainwashed is believing all the lies you're fed about Christianity and the media. Brainwashed is ignoring posts in debates and then picking arguments that were answered in the posts you ignored.
I've heard about Christians converting to Islam as well. I even know someone who converted, and I can tell you that she wasn't a very good Christian to start with. She might not have even been a Christian in the first place. Maybe she'd have been a Christian by your definition, but not by God's. I'm pretty sure the same goes for all the other "Christians" who converted. Oke.. Lets Stick to Your Theory
1. Ur Telling Us The Muslims We Are Brainwashed.. While We follow a Book With no mistakes?... and we have Prove.. Facts that Islam is the Only and True Religion.
1.2 While U Follow a Book... Full of Mistakes... You Cant Call one Miracle that you have nowadays... Your Bible.. Isnt even a Miracle... since its Just a Book.. the only thing thats missing is an Author. And dont come with a Miracle.. Of Mozes because we Believe in Mozes aswell.
Like I said.. ur getting urself into trouble.
About the Ignoring in Post.
1. You've Ignored every single Post.. You never gave answer to not one of my questions.. ( dont give me a fake post.. " What Quesitons? .. us the Previous Button stare " You've ignored the Prove that I have shown you... THE FACTS.. Also Scientific FACTS..
And I dont know what U call an answer.. but avoiding a question is not a answer.
2. Ur Christians Girl.. is one of the ...? Exaclty. and Let me guess. a Guy who started being Dominee when he was 24.. till his 49 and then Converted to Islam.. KNOW ALOT MORE ABOUT CHRISTIANTY. Than You.. So Show a little Respect.. Ur just a Kid.. who THINKS he knows allot about his own religion.. while you dont even understand ur own Bible.. how do I know that?.. because I have read you "Holy" Bible.
And your "Pretty Sure"? is that what u use in a debate? Pretty Sure?.. I already told you.. your a Joke.. this is not a Debate.. for Debate.. you do Research.. you come with Prove.. I and Egypt Gave you 6% of the Prove of Islam ... and that 6% is already more then what your whole religion has to offer on prover. I know you think ur debating.. well ur not.. If there is a debate between religions.. you need to do research to both sorces.. have you done that .. No.. Why? Because you havent read the Koran stare
I... Have and Also Ive Read UR Bible.
So Give it Up.. As You already Claimed.. to Egypt " Watch me " Refering to.. You cant Prove Islam wrong.. I watched you.. and Im still waiting.. you cant come with prove.. the only thing u have got..
Are. 1. Lies 2. Personal Experience. 3. Made up story's > see 1.
So therefor Im telling you this.. also for advice in the future.. If you want to act like a smartass..
FIRST of all Read Ur Bible.. and try to understand it...> Stop using the Stories..as Information.. because if you watched Mozes the Cartoon Film.. doesnt mean u know ur religion stare TWO.. Get The Info about the other Side... In this Case Read the Koran.
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You said earlier.. Jesus Is God.
Quote me The Vers In The Bible Where The Bible Says.
" I am Jesus and I am God "
Since u already said.. The Bible is the Word of God.. / Jesus . then He would state It like this dont u think?
Because hes Talking about Himself.. So He wouldnt Say
" Jesus Is God " am I right?... Exaclty.
So Dont Forget Quote The Vers.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:37 am
Scientif Mistakes In the Bible Bibliolaters claim that the Bible is inerrant in every detail, in matters of history, science, geography, chronology, etc., as well as faith and practice. It is a claim that has won wide acceptance among fundamentalist Christians, but, as is true of most zealotic tributes that have been paid to the Bible, it has no basis in fact. As past articles in TSR have clearly shown to anyone who really wants to know the truth, the Bible is riddled with mistakes. Many of those mistakes were scientific ones.
The creation account in Genesis divided time into days and the days into evening and morning for three days before the sun was even created (1:1-19). "There was evening and there was morning," we are told, "one day... a second day... a third day," but as any astronomer knows, evening (night) and morning (daylight) result from the earth's rotation with respect to the sun. With no sun, there would have certainly been evening or night, but there could have been no morning.
On the fourth day when God created the "two great lights" (the sun and the moon), he created the stars too. This creation of the rest of the universe was treated by the Genesis writer(s) as if it were little more than an afterthought: "he made the stars also" (v:16). To the prescientific mind that wrote this, it probably made sense. To him (her), the earth was undoubtedly the center of the universe, but today we know better. The solar system of which earth is only a tiny part is itself an infinitesimal speck in the universe. Surely, then, the creation of the stars would not have occurred so quickly and suddenly if six days were needed to create the world. Scientists now know that the creation of stars is an evolutionary process that is still ongoing. Matter coalesces; stars ignite, shine, and eventually burn out or explode. From the existence of heavy elements in our solar system, astronomers generally agree that it formed from debris left over from a supernova that occurred billions of years ago. The prescientific Genesis writer knew none of this, however, and that is why he viewed the creation of the universe as an Elohistic afterthought. No modern, scientifically-educated writer would have made that mistake.
The creation of the stars is the subject not only of scientific error in the Bible but also of textual contradiction. Clearly, the Genesis writer(s) said that God made the stars on the fourth day (1:16). By then, the earth had been created, light (somehow without the sun or stars) had been created, the gathering together of dry land had occurred, and vegetation had been created. One could surely say that by then the foundations of the world had been laid, yet Yahweh Elohim presumably told Job that the stars already existed when the foundations of the earth were laid:
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare if thou hast understanding. Who determined the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who stretched the line upon it? Whereupon were the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the cornerstone there-of, when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (38:4-7).
Granted the "singing of the morning stars" is clearly a poetical expression, but that does not explain away the problem. How could it be said in any sense, poetical or otherwise, that "the morning stars sang together" at a time when stars didn't even exist? Obviously, then, the Genesis writer(s) and the author of Job had different perceptions of when stars were created.
The Genesis writer(s) didn't understand the nature of darkness either. He said that God created light (somehow before the sun and stars were made) and then "divided the light from the darkness" (1:3-4). Light, however, is not something that can be separated from darkness. Light is an electromagnetic radiation from an energy source like the sun or stars, and darkness is merely the absence of light. Without light, there will automatically be darkness. No god is needed to separate or divide light from darkness. We know that today; the prescientific Genesis writer(s) didn't.
The Genesis writer's genetic knowledge was no better than his understanding of astronomy. In chapter 30, he told of Jacob's scheme to increase his wealth while he was still in the employ of his father-in-law Laban. The two had reached an agreement whereby Jacob would be given all striped, spotted, and speckled lambs and kids subsequently born in Laban's flocks. Laban then removed all the striped, spotted, and speckled animals from his flocks and put them in his sons' care at a three-day distance from the flock Jacob attended. Not to be outsmarted, Jacob devised a plan:
Then Jacob took fresh rods of poplar and almond and plane, and peeled white streaks in them, exposing the white of the rods. He set the rods that he had peeled in front of the flocks in the troughs, that is, the watering places, where the flocks came to drink. And since they bred when they came to drink, the flocks bred in front of the rods, and so the flocks produced young that were striped, speckled, and spotted (30:37-39, NRSV).
The editors of The New American Bible were reputable enough to affix a frankly honest footnote to this passage:
Jacob's stratagem was based on the widespread notion among simple people that visual stimuli can have prenatal effects on the offspring of breeding animals. Thus, the rods on which Jacob had whittled stripes or bands or chevron marks were thought to cause the female goats that looked at them to bear kids with lighter-colored marks on their dark hair, while the gray ewes were thought to bear lambs with dark marks on them simply by visual crossbreeding with the dark goats.
We know today that the color characteristics of animals is purely a matter of genetics, so a modern, scientifically-educated person would never write anything as obviously superstitious as this tale of Jacob's prosperity. The Genesis writer(s), however, knew nothing about the science of genetics, so to him the story undoubtedly made good sense.
One thing the Bible definitely is not is inerrant in matters of science.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:41 am
Bible Vulgarities & Obscenities
GE 9:22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness.
GE 19:4-8 A group of sexually depraved men demands that Lot turn over to them his two male visitors. Lot offers his two virgin daughters instead.
GE 19:30-38 Lot's daughters have sexual intercourse with him while he is drunk and both become pregnant by their father.
GE 24:2-9, 47:29 "... put your hand under my thigh, and I will make you swear by the Lord ...." (Note: This means "put your hand under my testicles," which is the manner in which oaths were taken at the time; "testament," "testify," and "testicle" have the same root.)
GE 29:16-30 Jacob marries both Leah and her sister Rachel. He has children by both Leah and Rachel's maid Bilhah, but Rachel remains barren. Due apparently to Rachel's generosity to her husband, the Lord eventually allows Rachel to conceive.
GE 34:1-2 Shechem defiles Dinah.
GE 34:13-29 Hamor, his son, and the men of their village agree to be circumcised so as to be allowed to marry the daughters of the Israelites. On the third day, "when they were sore," the Israelites kill Hamor, his son, and all the men of the village, and plunder their wealth, taking their wives and children, thus getting revenge for the defiling of Dinah.
GE 35:22 (KJV) "Reuben went and lay with Bilhah, his fathers concubine."
GE 38:9 Onan "spills his seed" on the ground rather than fulfill his obligation to his widowed sister-in-law to father a child by her.
GE 38:13-19 Tamar plays the role of a harlot in order to have sexual intercourse with her father-in-law. She conceives and twins are born.
GE 39:7-23 The wife of Joseph's master tries to get Joseph to go to bed with her. He refuses, and flees leaving his "garment in her hand." She claims that Joseph tried to rape her, and Joseph ends up imprisoned.
EX 20:26 "Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon."
LE 15:16-19 (KJV) "And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even. And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean ...."
LE 21:20, 22:24 (References to testicles, or "stones" in the KJV.)
NU 31:17-18 "... all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Note: How did they determine which girls were virgins, and what did they do with them after they kept them alive for themselves? This is not a pretty picture.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty of which thirty-two are set aside as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 21:10-14 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to kidnap "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their trial wives. If, after having sexual relations, a man has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 23:1 (KJV) "He that is wounded in the stones [testicles], or hath his privy member [p***s] cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."
DT 28:15, 30 If you do not obey the voice of the Lord, the Lord will cause another man to "lie with" your wife-to-be.
JS 5:3 "... the Hill of Foreskins."
JG 8:30-31 Gideon had many wives as well as a concubine.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel.
JG 21:11-12 "This is what you shall do; every male and every woman that has lain with man you shall utterly destroy. And they found ... four hundred young virgins who had not known man by lying with him; and they brought them to the camp ...." (Again, how did they determine which girls were virgins? This is not a pretty picture.)
JG 21:14-23 The 400 virgins captured above prove to be insufficient, so the Benjaminites hide in the vineyards and kidnap "the daughters of Shiloh" as they come out to dance and celebrate.
SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts Philistines with tumors in their "secret parts."
SA 18:27 So that David might be allowed to marry the king's daughter, the king asks David to bring him 100 Philistine foreskins. David does the job right and brings the king not 100, but 200, foreskins of murdered Philistines.
SA 25:22, 25:34, 1KI 14:10, 16:10-11, 21:21, 2KI 9:8 (KJV) "... him that pisseth ...."
SA 19:24 "And he stripped off his clothes also, and prophesied before Samuel in like manner, and lay down naked all that day and all that night."
SA 3:7 (KJV) "Wherefore hast thou gone in unto [a euphemism for sexual intercourse] my fathers concubine?"
SA 5:13, 20:3 David had many concubines.
SA 6:14, 16, 20-23 David dances and exposes himself to his maids. (His wife, Michal rebukes him for having done so, and as a consequence she is made barren.)
SA 12:11-12 The Lord is going to punish David for his sin by taking his wives and causing his neighbor to have sexual relations with them in public.
SA 13:1-14 King David's son, Amnon, rapes his half-sister, Tamar.
SA 16:22 Absalom "went into his father's concubines" in the sight of all Israel.
KI 1:1-4 David was old, and although covered with clothes, could not get warm. A beautiful, young virgin is brought in to be his concubine and nurse. But alas, he was so old and infirm that he "knew her not."
KI 11:3 Solomon (allegedly the wisest man ever) had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
KI 18:27, IS 36:12 (KJV) "... eat their own dung and drink their own piss." (Note: Although correctly translated according to the oldest Hebrew manuscripts, piss and pisseth have been re-translated to something more "godly" in all versions since the KJV.)
CH 11:21 Rehoboam had eighteen wives and sixty concubines.
ES 2:2-17 King Ahasuerus holds a sexual contest with "fair young virgins" to pick a new Queen (after having been spurned by Queen Vashti).
PR 5:19 (KJV) "... Let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love."
SO 1:13 "My beloved is to me a bag of myrrh, that lies between my breasts."
SO 2:3 "I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste."
SO 2:6, 8:3 "His left hand is under my head, and his right hand embraces me."
SO 2:16, 6:3 "My lover is mine and I am his. He browses among the lilies."
SO 4:5, 7:3 "Your two breasts are like two fawns ...."
SO 5:4 (KJV) "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him."
SO 7:1-2 "... the joints of your thighs are like jewels ...."
SO 7:7-9 "You are stately as a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its branches. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine ...."
SO 8:10 "... and my breasts were like towers."
IS 3:17 "The Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will uncover their secret parts."
IS 13:15 "Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 20:2-4 The Lord himself apparently commands his servant to go naked for three years.
IS 57:8 "Behind your doors and doorpost ... you uncovered your bed, you climbed into it and opened it wide; you made a pact with those whose beds you love, and you looked on their nakedness."
LA 4:21 "... thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked."
EZ 4:12 (KJV) "And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight. And the Lord said, Even thus shall the children of Israel eat their defiled bread ...."
EZ 4:15 (KJV) "... I have given thee cows dung for mans dung, and thou shalt prepare thy bread therewith."
EZ 16:7 "... You grew up and ... arrived at full maidenhood; your breasts were formed ... yet you were naked and bare."
EZ 16:8 "Later I passed by, and when I looked at you and saw that you were old enough for love, I spread the corner of my garment over you and covered your nakedness. I gave you my solemn oath and entered into a covenant with you, declares the Sovereign Lord, and you became mine."
EZ 16:22 "... you were naked and bare, kicking about in your blood."
EZ 16:36 "... your shame was laid bare and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotries with your lovers ...."
EZ 16:37 "Therefore I am going to gather all your lovers, with whom you took pleasure, those you loved as well as those you hated. I will gather them against you from every side and will strip you in front of them, and they will see all your nakedness."
EZ 16:39 "... they will strip you of your clothes, ... and leave you naked and bare."
EZ 23:3 "They played the harlot in Egypt; they played the harlot in their youth; there were their breasts fondled and their virgin bosoms handled." Or, as the KJV puts it: "they bruised the teats of their virginity."
EZ 23:8 (KJV) "... in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her."
EZ 23:10 "They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword."
EZ 23:17 (KJV) "And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them ...."
EZ 23:18 (KJV) "So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: ...."
EZ 23:20-21 (RSV) "Yet she increased her harlotry ... and doted on her paramours there, whose members [i.e., sexual organs] were like those of asses and whose issue was like that of horses. Thus you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when the Egyptians handled your bosom and pressed your young breasts."
EZ 23:29 (KJV) "... and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms."
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and tear your breasts."
HO 1:2 (KJV) "And the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take unto thee a wife of whoredoms and children of whoredoms: for the land hath committed great whoredom.'"
HO 2:2 (KJV) "... let her ... put away her whoredoms out of her sight, and her adulteries from between her breasts ...."
HO 2:3 "Otherwise I will strip her naked and make her as bare as the day she was born."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."
AM 2:16 "'Even the bravest warriors will flee naked on that day,' declares the Lord."
MI 1:8 "I will go stripped and naked."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron."
NA 3:5 " I am against you,' says the Lord ... , and will lift up your skirts over your face; I will show the nations your nakedness and kingdoms your shame.'"
HA 2:15 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies."
MA 2:3 The Lord says that he will spread dung upon the faces of the priests.
MK 14:51-52 A young man discards his clothing and flees naked.
JN 21:7 (KJV) "Now when Simon Peter heard that it was the Lord, he girt his fishers coat unto him, for he was naked, and did cast himself into the sea."
AC 19:13-16 Seven Jewish exorcists are overpowered by a man with a demon and flee naked and wounded.
RE 16:15 When Jesus comes again, he will come like a thief in the night so that those who do not have their clothes [on] will go naked and be shamefully exposed.
RE 17:16 "They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:45 am
And now. a Few Mistakes EVEN A CHILD WOULD HAVE NOTICED!
According to Gensis 5:28, Noah was born when his father Lamech was 182 years old. In Genesis 5:31-32, Lamech died when he was 777 years old and Noah was 500 years old when Lamech died.
However if Lamech died when Noah was 500 years old like the bible says, Lamech would have to have been 682 years old when he died, not 777. I figured this out by adding 500 (noahs age at Lamech's death) to 182 (Lamech's age when noah was born). This simple addition gives you the number 682, not 777.
Another mistake goes like this: Genesis 1:3-5: God created light and separated it from the darkness on the FIRST day Genesis 1:14-19: God didn't create light until the FOURTH day
Also: Genesis 1:11-12, 26-27: Trees were created before man. Genesis 2:4-9: Man was created before trees.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:47 am
Bible mistakes >
Forty-two or Twenty-two?
Those who deny VPP believe that some words of God have been lost and remain lost leading to a "scribal error" view of the OT Scriptures. For instance, W Edward Glenny denies that God has perfectly preserved His Word so that no words have been lost. He says, "The evidence from the OT text suggests that such is not the case. We might have lost a few words …" (One Bible Only?, p121). Based on his "lost words" view of the Bible, he was quick to point out "obvious discrepancies" in the OT like 2 Chronicles 22:2, and pontificates, "These obvious discrepancies in the KJV and the Hebrew manuscripts on which it is based show that none of them perfectly preserved the inspired autographa." (One Bible Only?, p115).
Now, know that 2 Chronicles 22:2 reads "forty-two" in the KJV. A number of the modern versions like the NASV, NIV, and ESV read "twenty-two" instead. So which is the original, inspired reading: "forty-two" (in KJV), or "twenty-two" (in NASV, NIV, and ESV)? In making such a textual decision, we must have a perfect standard, and that infallible and inerrant standard is the inspired and preserved Hebrew Scripture, and not any translation ancient or modern.
It is significant to note that every single Hebrew manuscript reads "forty-two" (arebba’im wushetha’im) in 2 Chronicles 22:2. There is no evidence of lost words—every word to the letter is preserved, and reads precisely as "forty-two" as accurately translated in the KJV. If every Hebrew manuscript reads "forty-two" in 2 Chronicles 22:2, then on what basis do the NASV, NIV, and ESV change it to "twenty-two"? They change "forty-two" to "twenty-two" on the basis of the Septuagint (LXX) which is a Greek version of the Hebrew Scripture just like the NIV is an English version of it. In other words, they use a version or translation to correct the original Hebrew text! This is "Ruckmanism" no less!
A godly approach is one that presupposes the present infallibility and inerrancy of God’s Word not only when it speaks on salvation, but also when it speaks on history, geography or science. "Let God be true, but every man a liar" (Rom 3:4). Such a godly approach to difficult passages seeks to compare (not correct) Scripture with Scripture. There are two possible solutions to the so-called "problem" or "error" in 2 Chronicles 22:2. "Forty-two" could be either (1) Ahaziah’s years counted from the beginning of the dynasty founded by Omri, or (2) the year in which Ahaziah was actually seated as king though anointed as one at "twenty-two" (2 Kgs 8:26). Whatever the answer may be, the truth and fact is: the inspired and preserved Hebrew reading in 2 Chronicles 22:2 is "forty-two" and not "twenty-two," and no man has the right to change or correct God’s Word by "conjectural emendation,"
taking heed to the serious warning not to add to or subtract from the Holy Scriptures (Rev 22:18-19).
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:48 am
Bible mistakes >
One Year or 30/40/…Years?
Now, let us look at the next text which is 1 Samuel 13:1 which the KJV translates as, "Saul reigned one year." But the other versions read quite differently. The NASV has, "Saul was forty years old when he began to reign;" the NIV has, "Saul was thirty years old when he became king;" and the RSV and ESV has, "Saul was … years old when he began to reign." Which of the above is correct? The only way whereby we can ascertain the correct reading is to go to the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew Bible since day one reads Ben-shanah Shaoul, literally, "A son of a year (was) Saul," or idiomatically, "Saul was a year old."
Now, the difficulty is: How could Saul be only a year old when he began to reign? Scholars and translators who do not believe in the jot-and-tittle preservation of Scripture say that this is an actual discrepancy in the Hebrew Text which they attribute to a "scribal error." This is why Michael Harding wrote, "n 1 Samuel 13:1-2 the Masoretic Text states that Saul was one year of age (ben-shanah—literally "son of a year") … Some ancient Greek manuscripts [ie, translations or versions]… read "thirty years" instead of "one year," … I believe the original Hebrew text also reads "thirty," even though we do not currently possess a Hebrew manuscript with that reading." (God’s Word in Our Hands, pp360-361).
Harding and those like him who deny that God has preserved every jot and tittle of His inspired words (Matt 5:18,) conclude that a word is lost and 1 Samuel 13:1 contains a "scribal error" even when there is no such error to begin with. Instead of attributing error to the translation (NASV, NIV, RSV, ESV), they rather fault the inspired and preserved Hebrew Text and treat it as an actual discrepancy even when there is absolutely none. This has caused many Bible believers to doubt God’s Word: Do we really have God’s infallible and inerrant Word in our hands? Many are indeed stumbled by such allegations of error in the Bible, and are questioning whether they can really trust the Scriptures at all if there is no such thing as a complete and perfect Word of God today.
It must be categorically stated that there is no error at all in the Hebrew Text and no mistake also in the KJV which translated 1 Samuel 13:1 accurately. So how do we explain 1 Samuel 13:1? A faithful explanation is offered by Matthew Poole who wrote, "[Saul] had now reigned one year, from his first election at Mizpeh, in which time these things were done, which are recorded in chap. xi., xii., to wit, peaceably, or righteously. Compare 2 Sam. ii.10."
In other words, the year of Saul was calculated not from the time of his birth but from his appointment as king; "Saul was a year old into his reign." This meaning is supported by the Geneva Bible which reads, "Saul now had beene King one yeere." Rest assured, there is no mistake in the Hebrew Text and in the KJV here. God has indeed inspired and preserved His OT words perfectly so that we might have an infallible, inerrant OT Bible in our hands today.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:51 am
Bible Mistakes >
Nebuchadnezzar or Nebuchadrezzar?
These two names—Nebuchadnezzar and Nebuchadrezzar—are found in Jeremiah 29 verse 3 and verse 21 respectively to refer to the same king. Bible and Truth deniers who do not believe in VPI and/or VPP are quick to conclude that the Bible here is in error; they call it a spelling or a scribal error.
But we who believe in the present perfection and absolute authority of the Scriptures have always believed and defended the total inerrancy of Scripture, its VPI and VPP, based on the logic of faith. So, how do we explain the two spellings, one with an "n" and the other with an "r." It is really a simple solution requiring childlike faith on God’s pure and perfect words (Matt 4:4, Rom 3:4, Heb 11:3, 6). The Bible being historically true and accurate would have us know that there were two ways of spelling the name of the Babylonian king. He could either be called Nebuchadnezzar or Nebuchadrezzar. It is significant to note that the switch from "r" to "n" is "not uncommon" in Semitic languages (eg, Benhadad and Barhadad). "Nebuchadnezzar" then, would be the Hebrew spelling, and "Nebuchadrezzar" the Aramaic spelling (re: International Standard Bible Encyclopedia, sv, "Nebuchadnezzar, Nebuchadrezzar"). A modern-day example would be Singapore (English) and Singapura (Malay)—both are correct spellings (not scribal errors) and refer to the same country.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:55 am
Now I got more Mistakes... better yet I got plenty.. and Im talking about the small ones.. like calling a Fish a Whale.. but still if your Book is perfection? he should not carry this kind of mistakes.
Now the Koran.. doesnt have this 3nodding
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:00 am
Quote: sometimes facts cant prove anything now im sorry but i have to say that i dont even know if im christian because i believe stories about all religions because why do different religions fight over this its stupid to fight is that what allah and god and jesus and anyone else would want is for us to fight and have war between religions?? i dont think they would im sorry but lets agree to disagree? aye? Yeah, some guy said something about that. I think He said something like "I am the Way, the Truth and the Light, no-one comes to the Father except through Me." Of course, you could just totally ignore Him and go to Hell. but i think now this is me but i think that i feel the way i feel and the way i believe in different religions to be gods gift to me he wants me to be a peacemaker obviousley im not a very good one considering your kinda mad at me it seems but if i go to hell its because i have failed god and deserve it you may have a different opinion on that by the way fact and opinion we all say this stuff is fact and whatever but is it really opinion??? yes it is only opinion thhink about that
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:01 am
Jin Saga
Bible Vulgarities & Obscenities
Wait, wait, wait. Your argument against Christianity is things that it has recorded about people? Please don't make me laugh. That's just so stupid. God leaving someone naked is not an obscenity. It's Him saying what He's going to do to them when the time comes for judgement. Honestly, the Bible isn't just about God, it's about people, and people are sinful. What did you expect? Scientific mistakes in the Bible... Morning / Evening thing: God was its light. The morning/evening was in time, not in actual rotations of the Earth. God didn't need six days to make the world. He could have made everything just as quickly as He made the stars. In fact, He's outside of time, so everything he did in time, He did for our bennefit. "Scientists now know" ohh, scientists know, do they? They've been to the stars, have they? No. No, they haven't. Morning star = name for Jesus. I assume that the "morning stars" were Angels. As for the light / darkness thing, why don't you ask God when you meet Him on judgement day? As to Jacob's strategy: So you don't believe that God can control genetics? Pfft, no. He's way too small for that, right? [/sarcasm] Jin Saga 1. Ur Telling Us The Muslims We Are Brainwashed.. While We follow a Book With no mistakes?... and we have Prove.. Facts that Islam is the Only and True Religion. Just proving you haven't read a thing I wrote. There. Are. Mistakes. In. The Qur'an. Just go back and read what they are. I can't actually make out the rest of your post. No offense, but when you're going to have a debate in English, at least make an effort to speak the language properly. I love the "lies" thing, though. Nothing I've said was a lie. What did I say that you thought was a lie, by the way? I understood the quoting the verse thing. So: John 8:58 58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" But then, you'd know that if you'd read the Bible and understood it. wink
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:04 am
Now My Christian Friend. Ive Done some Research in the bible to find Prove that Jesus Is NOT God.
Also Ive added the Vers. Especially for you.
So Take a Look at it.
Jesus therefore said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread out of heaven, but it is My Father who gives you the true bread out of heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world." They said therefore to Him, "Lord, evermore give us this bread." Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:32-35)
He Says.. It is his Father?... God doesnt have a father.. therefor.. Jesus is not God.. ( You'll probably make up some lame excuse so look down v )
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him, and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?" (John 14:6-9)
... and Again Jesus is not God.. According to ur Bible his Father is.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." (John 3:16-1 cool
So according to this vers. God sends down his son Jesus?. God -> Sends -> His SON -> JESUS ... Hmm Now.. is Jesus God?.. According to ur Bible he isnt. wink
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:08 am
Voldemort point two Jin Saga
Bible Vulgarities & Obscenities
Wait, wait, wait. Your argument against Christianity is things that it has recorded about people? Please don't make me laugh. That's just so stupid. God leaving someone naked is not an obscenity. It's Him saying what He's going to do to them when the time comes for judgement. Honestly, the Bible isn't just about God, it's about people, and people are sinful. What did you expect? Scientific mistakes in the Bible... Morning / Evening thing: God was its light. The morning/evening was in time, not in actual rotations of the Earth. God didn't need six days to make the world. He could have made everything just as quickly as He made the stars. In fact, He's outside of time, so everything he did in time, He did for our bennefit. "Scientists now know" ohh, scientists know, do they? They've been to the stars, have they? No. No, they haven't. Morning star = name for Jesus. I assume that the "morning stars" were Angels. As for the light / darkness thing, why don't you ask God when you meet Him on judgement day? As to Jacob's strategy: So you don't believe that God can control genetics? Pfft, no. He's way too small for that, right? [/sarcasm] Jin Saga 1. Ur Telling Us The Muslims We Are Brainwashed.. While We follow a Book With no mistakes?... and we have Prove.. Facts that Islam is the Only and True Religion. Just proving you haven't read a thing I wrote. There. Are. Mistakes. In. The Qur'an. Just go back and read what they are. I can't actually make out the rest of your post. No offense, but when you're going to have a debate in English, at least make an effort to speak the language properly. I love the "lies" thing, though. Nothing I've said was a lie. What did I say that you thought was a lie, by the way? I understood the quoting the verse thing. So: John 8:58 58" I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"But then, you'd know that if you'd read the Bible and understood it. wink Dont use excuses.. about the language.. read it.. got questions about the grammar then ask stare thats ALL U Christians DO.. when It become hot.. you run and avoid. Also reading one line in the bible doesnt mean u understand it.. read the post before.. to learn again about the mistakes smile
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:08 am
Jin Saga Now I got more Mistakes... better yet I got plenty.. and Im talking about the small ones.. like calling a Fish a Whale.. but still if your Book is perfection? he should not carry this kind of mistakes. Now the Koran.. doesnt have this 3nodding The Qur'an, however, doesn't know what Christians believe. wink I'm not going to waste my time throwing pearls before swines. (You have read that phrase before, right?) If you'd read the Bible, you'd know all of these references to Jesus being God. Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last) Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer) 2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ” Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone) John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things) John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.” John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood) Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us) Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men. 1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”
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