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Sparky_the3rd
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:48 pm


ferret658
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Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.


See what you just typed...Satan need permission!!! Where do you think he's getting it from? Uh...God!!! And Jesus is known as jewish....god christian....
PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:52 pm


Semiremis
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LOL nice conversation

(Wrong religion but Christianity and Catholic are pretty much the same thing)
Also the annoying thing about christianity etc is that they condemn hundreds of people who helped humanity and the lives of thousand to hell.
When i was still Roman Catholic i asked my local priest if people like Aristotle, the Persian Emperors, Ghandi, bhudda and etc were sent to hell he said yes, becuase they were sinners and worshiped the devil eek


Your priest was not following Catholic Church teaching with that answer...

From CCC 847: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337


People CANNOT condemn hundreds of others to hell, that's God's arena, we are not capable of doing that. Keep in mind that there are a lot of Catholics who are not inline with Church teaching (which does not exclude priests).

Christianity and Catholicism were both interchangeable terms for a very long time. Now Christianity is represented as the larger group with Catholicism as one of it's sub-groups aka denominations.

A bit more on salvation outside of the Church:

CCC 841841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330


Source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm


*Please don't talk about something affirmatively before you get the facts, it's intellectually dishonest and only spreads more misinformation. Your Priest may have said one thing, but the Catholic Church teaches another. The Catechism holds the official teachings of the Church. It's a good place to start if you are at all interested in the facts.



There was no way for me to know at the time that the priest was not speaking on the behalf of the church so don’t yell at me stare
But thank you for pointing out my misunderstanding

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:52 pm


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Ferret's exactly right. We Christians really need to realize that just because we're Christians doesn't mean we get to to look down on anyone else who doesn't share our beliefs. God doesn't look down on Hindus or Athiests; He loves everyone equally. So we Christians shouldn't either.

And about that comic...I didn't get it.

You Christians do that a lot!!! I told my aunt what I changed my religion to...you know what she said..."You need to go to church." I'm not saying all christians are like that but most of them are!!!
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:06 am


moon_the_angel_of_hell
ferret658
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ferret658
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Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.


See what you just typed...Satan need permission!!! Where do you think he's getting it from? Uh...God!!! And Jesus is known as jewish....god christian....


If you ask permission from your parents to go to the mall because you're thirteen, does that mean you work for your parents?
And I really don't understand what you mean by

Quote:
And Jesus is known as jewish....god christian....

ferret658


ferret658

PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:09 am


moon_the_angel_of_hell
Captain Saikyo Joe
Ferret's exactly right. We Christians really need to realize that just because we're Christians doesn't mean we get to to look down on anyone else who doesn't share our beliefs. God doesn't look down on Hindus or Athiests; He loves everyone equally. So we Christians shouldn't either.

And about that comic...I didn't get it.

You Christians do that a lot!!! I told my aunt what I changed my religion to...you know what she said..."You need to go to church." I'm not saying all christians are like that but most of them are!!!


I've been seriously hated on by those Christians just because I don't fit their own stereotype of what a church kid should look like.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:42 am


I just thought I'd point out that Christians aren't the only ones capable of being assholes. It's a human thing although I agree that some Christians are very good at it eek

Semiremis


Semiremis

PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:49 am


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LOL nice conversation

(Wrong religion but Christianity and Catholic are pretty much the same thing)
Also the annoying thing about christianity etc is that they condemn hundreds of people who helped humanity and the lives of thousand to hell.
When i was still Roman Catholic i asked my local priest if people like Aristotle, the Persian Emperors, Ghandi, bhudda and etc were sent to hell he said yes, becuase they were sinners and worshiped the devil eek


Your priest was not following Catholic Church teaching with that answer...

From CCC 847: Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337


People CANNOT condemn hundreds of others to hell, that's God's arena, we are not capable of doing that. Keep in mind that there are a lot of Catholics who are not inline with Church teaching (which does not exclude priests).

Christianity and Catholicism were both interchangeable terms for a very long time. Now Christianity is represented as the larger group with Catholicism as one of it's sub-groups aka denominations.

A bit more on salvation outside of the Church:

CCC 841841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."330


Source: http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p3.htm


*Please don't talk about something affirmatively before you get the facts, it's intellectually dishonest and only spreads more misinformation. Your Priest may have said one thing, but the Catholic Church teaches another. The Catechism holds the official teachings of the Church. It's a good place to start if you are at all interested in the facts.



There was no way for me to know at the time that the priest was not speaking on the behalf of the church so don’t yell at me stare
But thank you for pointing out my misunderstanding


Sorry, I didn't mean for it to come off as yelling but I guess it did look that way sweatdrop

There's a good quote by Bishop Sheen that I've found to be painfully true which is one of the reasons I get a little frustrated to say the least when when I find something in complete contradiction of the Church:

“There are not a hundred people in America who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions of people who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church— which is, of course, quite a different thing.” -foreward to Radio Replies Vol. 1, page ix
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:13 pm


Seriosuly dont bring up the pope unless you want me to start ranting on how much i want to kill those bastards stare

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:43 am


ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
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Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan
PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:08 pm


That made no sense stare

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ferret658

PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 8:43 pm


xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX
Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying:

Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil.
Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:14 pm


ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX
Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying:

Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil.
Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Again your understanding and comprehension of Jewish canon is severely limited.

In order to understand and comprehend the Bible and it's entirity you have to examine the beings that came from it. For example you have to understand where Ha-Satan came from and his role in Jewish canon.

Ha-Satan is an angel. However he is not nor was he ever Lucifer. People, ever since Paradise Lost came out, have been confusing Lucifer for Satan for the past few centuries. According to Jewish canon Satan is not Lucifer and Lucifer is not Satan. They are two entirely different beings, something that must be understood by Christians.

Lucifer is a Babylonian King. Not Satan. If you dig a little deeper into the meaning of Isaiah and understand the metaphors being used in the Book of Isaiah then you would understand that Lucifer is a Babylonian King.

Ha-Satan is an angel, and as we all know angels follow and obey YHVH. They are his workers. His slaves. Unlike humans they have no free will of their own and cannot disobey him. Ha-Satan's name means adversary. It does not mean big evil guy with two horns and a pointy tail who wants to destroy humanity. No. That's a misconception. Ha-Satan's job is to test humans to see if humanity is ready to be with their Father. That's it. It's even evidenced in the Book of Job for ******** sake!

My reasoning isn't twisted. You're basically calling the origin of the Bible, which is that of Jewish canon, twisted. So in turn you're calling your own deity, twisted. :3
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan

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Semiremis

PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2010 4:33 pm


ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX
Only Christians etc believe he is a god, everyone else thinks he was just an ordinary man who had his religion twisted in so many ways its not even funny for us.

As to the carpenter thing, I’ve read in several places that he was, but ive also read that he wasn’t. But I do have to ask, So you think he is above honest work?
The Empress who is the incarnation of the Mother actually tends her garden, works on a farm and etc in her free time so to say that your Jesus is above being a carpenter just because you think he is a god is plain stupid

And do you know how many times your Jesus was supposed to return to earth and do whatever, oh I don’t even think their is a number for that rofl


Jesus IS God. Not a god. Joseph was a carpenter and when he died, Jesus took over the practice because that was the eldest son's responsibility in the culture. Jesus is not above honest work. Jesus did honest work before He started His ministry.
MY Jesus is supposed to return to the earth one time. People have prophesied that He would return, but He says that NOBODY knows when He will return. To my knowledge, Jesus has not returned. Have you seen the Messiah riding a white horse and pwning Satan? I didn't think so.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying:

Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil.
Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat.


Now that's confusing! I can follow Lady Tsukiyo's reasoning here and it makes sense but only under the assumption that Angels are basically mindless drones and free will is non-existent on any level when it comes to them.

Christian Theology adds that extra level (not meaning better or more deep, just extra). You're both arguing the theology of different religions, that never works to well.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:32 am


xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying:

Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil.
Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Again your understanding and comprehension of Jewish canon is severely limited.

In order to understand and comprehend the Bible and it's entirity you have to examine the beings that came from it. For example you have to understand where Ha-Satan came from and his role in Jewish canon.

Ha-Satan is an angel. However he is not nor was he ever Lucifer. People, ever since Paradise Lost came out, have been confusing Lucifer for Satan for the past few centuries. According to Jewish canon Satan is not Lucifer and Lucifer is not Satan. They are two entirely different beings, something that must be understood by Christians.

Lucifer is a Babylonian King. Not Satan. If you dig a little deeper into the meaning of Isaiah and understand the metaphors being used in the Book of Isaiah then you would understand that Lucifer is a Babylonian King.

Ha-Satan is an angel, and as we all know angels follow and obey YHVH. They are his workers. His slaves. Unlike humans they have no free will of their own and cannot disobey him. Ha-Satan's name means adversary. It does not mean big evil guy with two horns and a pointy tail who wants to destroy humanity. No. That's a misconception. Ha-Satan's job is to test humans to see if humanity is ready to be with their Father. That's it. It's even evidenced in the Book of Job for ******** sake!

My reasoning isn't twisted. You're basically calling the origin of the Bible, which is that of Jewish canon, twisted. So in turn you're calling your own deity, twisted. :3
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


Show me where I can read this.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:14 am


Semiremis
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
ferret658
xLady Tsukiyox
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God.

And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment.
I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou?
Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon...


According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h.
I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan


You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying:

Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil.
Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat.


Now that's confusing! I can follow Lady Tsukiyo's reasoning here and it makes sense but only under the assumption that Angels are basically mindless drones and free will is non-existent on any level when it comes to them.

Christian Theology adds that extra level (not meaning better or more deep, just extra). You're both arguing the theology of different religions, that never works to well.
Except Jewish mythos is apart of the Christian religion as many of the authors of the Bible a) were Jews but decided to become Gentiles or b) lived in Judea (Israel) during the time of the Roman occupation and Jesus' time. So it would make sense to understand the characters of Jewish mythos since they are added in the Bible.
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