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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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 Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:45 pm
Sapphirianna Big Bang = God creating light and such. Look up Genesis Chapter 1. How can molecules that don't exist yet come together to explode, creating Earth? It's not logical. The molecules were always their the Big Bang happened when a supernova occured, therefor creating the sun and all of the other planets ... this is still being worked on to be approved of being "proven"
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:52 pm
Sapphirianna @Pitiful Really? Did you know that the USA was created on the foundation of the Bible? Did you know that our founding fathers were devout Christians? There was a time when ministers traveled the (then small) country and preached the Word of God, they were received with joy. Duh. Imagine a world without Christ or any Christians at all. Total chaos. Mass suicides, no hope at all. The message Christ gives people hope. Not all people have the luxury of the Internet, or even a home. How do you think they feel? Churches do a ton to help them out, but what if there were none? Hmm? What then? Hehe ... well no everyone believes in your God.. there isn't any proof of him except what a "book" says. I don't try push people and say their religion is wrong... And yes, I have heard and was taught (but do not believe) that this country was based off of Christianity but do you know what Christianity was based off of?? In case you dont know it was based off of Paganism.. which is fact. Hope doesn't come from God in my opinion because I dont believe in "Him"... Though I will agree if there wasn't Christianity now if it just disappeared out of nowhere... now there would be mass chaos because many people in this world believe and base their whole life off of God and the Bible. But if no one ever knew of Christianity than it would be the same as say if a cow never existed would there be mass chaos without hamburgers??? My answer is NO because no one would ever know if it...
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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:56 pm
Dragoness Arleeana G0TH1C G33K All I would like to add is that there has been some evidence that the bible was written by monks that wanted to civilize the barbarians that lived around Scotland as we know it today. Where did you find this information? Can you link something about it? I've heard it but would like to read more on it. We learned it in school so I can't find a source, but we were reading Beowulf and going over the Anglo Saxon period if that helps.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:57 pm
Sapphirianna Think of the world today without Christ. Suicides are much more common than before. Besides. The Bible was still there for thousands of years. The New Testament was added following Jesus's death, Resurrection, and Assention (spell fail, lol). The people of Israel followed God. Without Him, they would still be in Egypt as slaves. So my question to you is that considering what you stated about the people of Israel would still be Egyptian slaves... are you stating that the people of Egypt were their before your God?... And all in the same without "Christ and God" their wouldn't be children, women, men, and animals killed... many people believe that it was GOD that made them do it, God who spoke to them and made them kill their family... so do you thank him for this?
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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 12:59 pm
PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Sapphirianna @Pitiful Really? Did you know that the USA was created on the foundation of the Bible? Did you know that our founding fathers were devout Christians? There was a time when ministers traveled the (then small) country and preached the Word of God, they were received with joy. Duh. Imagine a world without Christ or any Christians at all. Total chaos. Mass suicides, no hope at all. The message Christ gives people hope. Not all people have the luxury of the Internet, or even a home. How do you think they feel? Churches do a ton to help them out, but what if there were none? Hmm? What then? Hehe ... well no everyone believes in your God.. there isn't any proof of him except what a "book" says. I don't try push people and say their religion is wrong... And yes, I do know that this country was based off of Christianity but do you know what Christianity was based off of?? In case you dont know it was based off of Paganism.. which is fact. Hope doesn't come from God in my opinion because I dont believe in "Him"... Though I will agree if there wasn't Christianity now if it just disappeared out of nowhere... now there would be mass chaos because many people in this world believe and base their whole life off of God and the Bible. But if no one ever knew of Christianity than it would be the same as say if a cow never existed would there be mass chaos without hamburgers??? My answer is NO because no one would ever know if it... Very true, look up the Epic Of Gilgamesh, it was written around 2100 B.C. and has similar stories to the Bible but written beforehand. It is the oldest piece of literature, proven fact.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:01 pm
PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Sapphirianna Think of the world today without Christ. Suicides are much more common than before. Besides. The Bible was still there for thousands of years. The New Testament was added following Jesus's death, Resurrection, and Assention (spell fail, lol). The people of Israel followed God. Without Him, they would still be in Egypt as slaves. So my question to you is that considering what you stated about the people of Israel would still be Egyptian slaves... are you stating that the people of Egypt were their before your God?... And all in the same without "Christ and God" their wouldn't be children, women, men, and animals killed... many people believe that it was GOD that made them do it, God who spoke to them and made them kill their family... so do you thank him for this? Actually many historians believe that Christianity was based off of many other beliefs and Egyptian was one of the biggest.
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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:01 pm
G0TH1C G33K Dragoness Arleeana G0TH1C G33K All I would like to add is that there has been some evidence that the bible was written by monks that wanted to civilize the barbarians that lived around Scotland as we know it today. Where did you find this information? Can you link something about it? I've heard it but would like to read more on it. We learned it in school so I can't find a source, but we were reading Beowulf and going over the Anglo Saxon period if that helps. Cha I learned this in my AP English class also when we were researching on Beowulf... ah I love Beowulf =D I is such a nerd
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:06 pm
PitifulSoulLostInDarkness G0TH1C G33K Dragoness Arleeana G0TH1C G33K All I would like to add is that there has been some evidence that the bible was written by monks that wanted to civilize the barbarians that lived around Scotland as we know it today. Where did you find this information? Can you link something about it? I've heard it but would like to read more on it. We learned it in school so I can't find a source, but we were reading Beowulf and going over the Anglo Saxon period if that helps. Cha I learned this in my AP English class also when we were researching on Beowulf... ah I love Beowulf =D I is such a nerd No worries me too biggrin , awesome book
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PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:06 pm
G0TH1C G33K PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Sapphirianna Think of the world today without Christ. Suicides are much more common than before. Besides. The Bible was still there for thousands of years. The New Testament was added following Jesus's death, Resurrection, and Assention (spell fail, lol). The people of Israel followed God. Without Him, they would still be in Egypt as slaves. So my question to you is that considering what you stated about the people of Israel would still be Egyptian slaves... are you stating that the people of Egypt were their before your God?... And all in the same without "Christ and God" their wouldn't be children, women, men, and animals killed... many people believe that it was GOD that made them do it, God who spoke to them and made them kill their family... so do you thank him for this? Actually many historians believe that Christianity was based off of many other beliefs and Egyptian was one of the biggest. Oh i have read and been taught that Paganism was the biggest followed by Egyptian... but I do have a friend who worships the Egyptian Goddess Baset ^^ So ...
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:10 pm
PitifulSoulLostInDarkness G0TH1C G33K PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Sapphirianna Think of the world today without Christ. Suicides are much more common than before. Besides. The Bible was still there for thousands of years. The New Testament was added following Jesus's death, Resurrection, and Assention (spell fail, lol). The people of Israel followed God. Without Him, they would still be in Egypt as slaves. So my question to you is that considering what you stated about the people of Israel would still be Egyptian slaves... are you stating that the people of Egypt were their before your God?... And all in the same without "Christ and God" their wouldn't be children, women, men, and animals killed... many people believe that it was GOD that made them do it, God who spoke to them and made them kill their family... so do you thank him for this? Actually many historians believe that Christianity was based off of many other beliefs and Egyptian was one of the biggest. Oh i have read and been taught that Paganism was the biggest followed by Egyptian... but I do have a friend who worships the Egyptian Goddess Baset ^^ So ... That's so cool, I have one friend who believes in the Greek gods and a brother who is a LeVayan Satanist
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 1:42 pm
Dragoness Arleeana Sapphirianna Cain Elite God or the big bang? What about both? Who's to say that God and the Big Bang aren't connected? No proof says they are separate. So why separate them in debate? That's what I was saying. God created light, and it was there. Flash. "Hey look, light!" There's your Big Bang. Don't say that I haven't looked far enough into science. I actually like science. Maybe I think all the "millions and billions years-old stars" and such is crap, but I look at it. I observe your theories, but most of them that say that God isn't there, they defy the very basis of science: logic. "Logical" explanations some scientists give don't make sense at all. @Pitiful Really? Did you know that the USA was created on the foundation of the Bible? Did you know that our founding fathers were devout Christians? There was a time when ministers traveled the (then small) country and preached the Word of God, they were received with joy. Duh. Imagine a world without Christ or any Christians at all. Total chaos. Mass suicides, no hope at all. The message Christ gives people hope. Not all people have the luxury of the Internet, or even a home. How do you think they feel? Churches do a ton to help them out, but what if there were none? Hmm? What then? Actually, the religious views of the Founding Fathers were quite diverse. ^^^^^^^ THIS! The Founding Fathers were far from evangelizing Christians. Slightly over half were Episcopalian, which is pretty surprising considering that was the official state religion of England. Many others were Congregationalists, which is a highly decentralized form of Christianity that practices a very independent form of church governance. A few of the very prominent and notable founding fathers were actually Unitarians. Jefferson wrote his own version of the Bible, heavily edited and basically boiled down to sayings of Jesus. John Adams was a nontrinitarian. Ben Franklin was a deist. The truth is the Bible factored in very little in the foundation of America. The founding principles were rooted more in the English Enlightenment, mostly on the writings of John Locke, but also drawing from the work of Thomas Hobbes as well as some others. They also looked to history, and were not beyond consideration of historical analysis of English and world history in their principles. Where religious influence played its heaviest role was in the formation of civil society in the US, as it was implemented on the principles of religious self-determination from the religious settlers in the northeast. But this influence was largely a northeastern affair, and many of our most influential founding fathers were from Virginia and other southern colonies who were largely detached from this tradition.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:14 pm
~FIRST WARNING~
EITHER YOU ALL START PLAYING NICE OR I'M CLOSING THIS TOPIC
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Sparky_the3rd Vice Captain
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:41 pm
This is a debate topic....that's what we're doing. Nobody is yelling or being mean, we're just stating our opinions and some facts that we have acquired.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 5:56 pm
PitifulSoulLostInDarkness Sapphirianna @Pitiful Really? Did you know that the USA was created on the foundation of the Bible? Did you know that our founding fathers were devout Christians? There was a time when ministers traveled the (then small) country and preached the Word of God, they were received with joy. Duh. Imagine a world without Christ or any Christians at all. Total chaos. Mass suicides, no hope at all. The message Christ gives people hope. Not all people have the luxury of the Internet, or even a home. How do you think they feel? Churches do a ton to help them out, but what if there were none? Hmm? What then? And yes, I have heard and was taught (but do not believe) that this country was based off of Christianity but do you know what Christianity was based off of?? In case you dont know it was based off of Paganism.. which is fact.Hope doesn't come from God in my opinion because I dont believe in "Him"... Though I will agree if there wasn't Christianity now if it just disappeared out of nowhere... now there would be mass chaos because many people in this world believe and base their whole life off of God and the Bible. But if no one ever knew of Christianity than it would be the same as say if a cow never existed would there be mass chaos without hamburgers??? My answer is NO because no one would ever know if it... Concerning the bolded. 1. There's also gnosis of individual believers. While not proof of his universality, it is proof to his worshipers outside of the Bible. Also you are assuming that all Christians are sola scriptura. There are also sects that hold to a Sacred Tradition that is co-authoritive to the Bible and sects of Christian mysticism that treat the Bible as co-authoritive to their gnosis. 2. What exactly makes Christianity based off of paganism? While a majority of the practitioners are Gentiles and the initial converts came from pagan religions, I'm failing to see how Christianity is not Abrahamic.
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Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 6:26 pm
Dragoness Arleeana Sapphirianna Cain Elite God or the big bang? What about both? Who's to say that God and the Big Bang aren't connected? No proof says they are separate. So why separate them in debate? That's what I was saying. God created light, and it was there. Flash. "Hey look, light!" There's your Big Bang. Don't say that I haven't looked far enough into science. I actually like science. Maybe I think all the "millions and billions years-old stars" and such is crap, but I look at it. I observe your theories, but most of them that say that God isn't there, they defy the very basis of science: logic. "Logical" explanations some scientists give don't make sense at all. @Pitiful Really? Did you know that the USA was created on the foundation of the Bible? Did you know that our founding fathers were devout Christians? There was a time when ministers traveled the (then small) country and preached the Word of God, they were received with joy. Duh. Imagine a world without Christ or any Christians at all. Total chaos. Mass suicides, no hope at all. The message Christ gives people hope. Not all people have the luxury of the Internet, or even a home. How do you think they feel? Churches do a ton to help them out, but what if there were none? Hmm? What then? Actually, the religious views of the Founding Fathers were quite diverse. How do you know that they were devout Christians? Did you know them? I have an ancestor who was a founding father, and in his journals he never once even speaks of the bible. How would it be total chaos without Christians or the word of God? Mass suicides? No hope? Are you KIDDING me? The world before Christianity did just fine. Churches are not the only service that provides help for the needs. The Salvation Army, though a religion in itself, does this. Soup kitchens, half way homes, etc etc. There are plenty of places that help people that are not affiliated with the church. It is not the church that helps these people. It's the volunteers. There will always be people willing to help out those around them, the church isn't the one who created hope. Some say the founding fathers weren't even god believing people. They say they were closer to atheists than anything.
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