Why Roy is NOT I repeat NOT!!!! better than Marth!!!!!!!

[Ronin_686]

Low tier characters can be played extremely well (Taj, anyone?) but there is a very evident disadvantage to them. Obviously if somebody is way better than their opponent, they will be able to beat them. However, there are indeed characters that are bad.  

[Shinsua]

My god. . .
Just from reading their few posts, I completely hate Redcloud and J-Pipe. If you honostly want to be that much of a noob, go take a lvl 9 Marth and Roy, and have them fight each other on FD. Bet you Marth'll win 3 to 1. So far, Ive yet to see com Roy beat Marth. But I dunno, maybe its just my computers. Whatever. The point is stat and physical ability wise, Marth is better than Roy.
And yes player skill has to do with it, take me for instance. Out of the people Ive played against in my neighborhood and stuff ((And the local Cyber Jocks)), Im able to maim most of the Marths and Roys, and I use Gannondorf and Ness -_-

Oh, what did I have to ask . . .erm
Oh yeah, Who ranked lowest tier?

 

[ArcVyse]

A group titled 'SBR'. They get together with many smash players and analyse current character strategies and the outcome of major tournaments in order to come up with the tier list.

Mewtwo sucks, and I agree with the tier list.

And yet a good Mewtwo player is always incredible to watch. Watching battle hardened players fall over themselves when they come up against a skilled Mewtwo is always a spectacle.  

[Professor Darkness]

ScaredCrow the Spiffy

I don't care. I'll still use Roy because I like they way he's set up. And any character can be the best depending on who's using them.

I agree 100%  

[Ronin_686]

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.  

[A Pharmaceutical Bandit]

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.  

[Ronin_686]

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.  

[A Pharmaceutical Bandit]

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.

I don't think so. He's great and all, but only in the right hands.  

[Ronin_686]

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.

I don't think so. He's great and all, but only in the right hands.

How is Fox not the best character in the game?  

[A Pharmaceutical Bandit]

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.

I don't think so. He's great and all, but only in the right hands.

How is Fox not the best character in the game?

I guess I'll just go with the fact that I've never lost to one. Or came close to losing to one, for that matter. I have played good Fox's, of course not the best, but good nonetheless (good as in someone who has mastered all advanced techniques and whatnot).
And I've watched plenty of Fox videos to see what Fox can do, and it is impressing, don't get me wrong, but I've seen better.  

[Ronin_686]

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

The only problem with the tier list, is it's only based on tournament placings. So, new people will come, look at the tier list, and say, "Hey, fox is the best, I'm going to play him."

So obviously, since the most people play fox, he is the highest on the tier list.

Although, I do agree that fox is the best character in the game, it's still an issue with how the tier list is set up. I agree with it for the most part, but some changes could be made.

Yeah, I don't think Fox should be top tier. I honestly believe Ice Climbers are best for 1v1 matches, and not just because I use them. The only character they have troubles with is Peach, who isn't that much of a challenge if you know how to use Ice Climbers well enough.

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.

I don't think so. He's great and all, but only in the right hands.

How is Fox not the best character in the game?

I guess I'll just go with the fact that I've never lost to one. Or came close to losing to one, for that matter. I have played good Fox's, of course not the best, but good nonetheless (good as in someone who has mastered all advanced techniques and whatnot).
And I've watched plenty of Fox videos to see what Fox can do, and it is impressing, don't get me wrong, but I've seen better.

It doesn't sound to me like you know enough about Smash to analyze characters like that.  

[A Pharmaceutical Bandit]

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Melomaniacal

Ronin_686

Err....Yeah..Fox should definitely be top tier. Lol.

I don't think so. He's great and all, but only in the right hands.

How is Fox not the best character in the game?

I guess I'll just go with the fact that I've never lost to one. Or came close to losing to one, for that matter. I have played good Fox's, of course not the best, but good nonetheless (good as in someone who has mastered all advanced techniques and whatnot).
And I've watched plenty of Fox videos to see what Fox can do, and it is impressing, don't get me wrong, but I've seen better.

It doesn't sound to me like you know enough about Smash to analyze characters like that.

You don't know who you're talking to. Trust me, I'm an advanced player. I know what I'm talking about.

Maybe I just have had better Fox experiences than you. In my opinion, he's good, but not the best.  

[Sio]

Melomaniacal

You don't know who you're talking to. Trust me, I'm an advanced player. I know what I'm talking about.

Shut the ******** up. Seriously, if there's one thing I hate, it's people who think they're god because they can SHFFL and s**t. Anyone can do that. But actually knowing what the ******** they're doing with it is another story.  

[A Pharmaceutical Bandit]

Sio

Melomaniacal

You don't know who you're talking to. Trust me, I'm an advanced player. I know what I'm talking about.

Shut the ******** up. Seriously, if there's one thing I hate, it's people who think they're god because they can SHFFL and s**t. Anyone can do that. But actually knowing what the ******** they're doing with it is another story.

Being an advanced player is more than knowing the advanced techniques, everyone knows that... and I'm no exception. Listen, don't judge me until you've actually seen me. I've been playing SSBM competitively since launch. Don't disrespect a fellow smasher. I don't disrespect you, so calm the ******** down.

For now you just have to trust me when I say I am an advanced player at, or above, Ronin's level. And I don't understand why thinking that Fox isn't the best makes me a noob. Maybe you all need to accept my opinion. I'm not the only one who thinks Fox isn't the best, you should know that. The tier list isn't a great judge of characters, because it all depends on tournament placings. A player like Ice Climbers won't be top, because there aren't enough Ice Climber players. Fox is a popular character for obvious reasons (he's badass, the Starfox games were awesome), so there are more opportunities for him to place higher.

So yes, Fox does place higher than all other characters. But I don't think that makes the character himself better than all the others... just the players who chose him.  

[Sio]

Melomaniacal

Sio

Melomaniacal

You don't know who you're talking to. Trust me, I'm an advanced player. I know what I'm talking about.

Shut the ******** up. Seriously, if there's one thing I hate, it's people who think they're god because they can SHFFL and s**t. Anyone can do that. But actually knowing what the ******** they're doing with it is another story.

Being an advanced player is more than knowing the advanced techniques, everyone knows that... and I'm no exception. Listen, don't judge me until you've actually seen me. I've been playing SSBM competitively since launch. Don't disrespect a fellow smasher. I don't disrespect you, so calm the ******** down.

For now you just have to trust me when I say I am an advanced player at, or above, Ronin's level. And I don't understand why thinking that Fox isn't the best makes me a noob. Maybe you all need to accept my opinion. I'm not the only one who thinks Fox isn't the best, you should know that. The tier list isn't a great judge of characters, because it all depends on tournament placings. A player like Ice Climbers won't be top, because there aren't enough Ice Climber players. Fox is a popular character for obvious reasons (he's badass, the Starfox games were awesome), so there are more opportunities for him to place higher.

So yes, Fox does place higher than all other characters. But I don't think that makes the character himself better than all the others... just the players who chose him.

Maybe we don't need to accept your opinion, considering you're just one biased player who thinks he's the s**t. Really, unless you're pro, I don't give a s**t about your opinion. From what I can tell, the only "good Fox" that you've ever played is your friend, and that's obviously not saying much. Watching videos of pro Fox players and actually playing against them are totally different. Don't act like you know jack s**t just because you beat your friend.

And before you start talking more s**t, the tier list isn't completely based on tournament placings. Why the hell would Ice Climbers even be in high tier if it were true?