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 Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:39 pm
My sentiments exactly. No matter how big the gun or how sharp the sword, you can never get the full use out of hybrid equipment when you compare it to specialized equipment. It's both easier and more effective to just carry a sword and a gun and alternate between them.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:43 pm
stellarmagic Stop sappin my Sentry! Um... yeah. Anyway. I'd like to point out that any deviced designed to fulfill more than one specific purpose is inherently less effective at that role then a specialized device. For example, the Jaffa Staff Weapon may make a decent club, and a decent ranged weapon. But fails as a ranged weapon when put alongside an M16 or P90. So a knife that can both cut and stab is an inferior product to a knife that can only cut. Right.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:48 pm
A knife that is designed to both cut and stab is worse at both than a knife designed just to stab, or a knife designed just to cut.
Or in a more apt comparison. A spear is better at stabbing then a sword. A sword is better at cutting then an spear. An axe is better at cutting then a sword, but worse at stabbing.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:53 pm
A knife is made to be a blade. A blade is meant to cut and stab. However, a sword is not meant to shoot bullets and a gun is not meant to cut people open. By attempting to give a weapon a function completely opposed to its original design, you lessen the effectiveness of the original function and the added function at the same time. You can't shoot a gunblade and you can't stab with it then try to shoot again.
Imagine for example giving a car wings and jet engines, or adding in a propeller and an oxygen tank to make it into a car/sub. These things would both reduce the car's efficiency as a car because of added bulk and the necessity to redesign the frame to add these parts in, thus "fixing" what wasn't broken. At the same time, the hybrid would be less efficient as a plane or a sub for obvious reasons of aerodynamics, carrying capacity, weight...
The point isn't that things with two functions aren't workable. The point is that specialized items shouldn't be reworked to do what they were strictly built not to do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:04 pm
Case in point in swords...
The Rapier - Stabs/Thrusts.
The Cutlass - Cuts/Slashes.
The Scimitar - Cuts/Slashes.
The Dao - Cuts/Slashes.
All of those designs make the other form of attack nearly useless (The Dao is practically blunt nosed making thrusting impossible).
Some weapons can do the other form of attack with some special training (The Katana and Calvary Saber can be used for thrusting with the right technique) but generally, most weapons have a specific focus in their role or are merely mediocre at multiple roles.
Even guns, don't get me started on them... or planes... or ships... or...
Just don't get me started.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:10 pm
stellarmagic Case in point in swords... The Rapier - Stabs/Thrusts. The Cutlass - Cuts/Slashes. The Scimitar - Cuts/Slashes. The Dao - Cuts/Slashes. All of those designs make the other form of attack nearly useless (The Dao is practically blunt nosed making thrusting impossible). Some weapons can do the other form of attack with some special training (The Katana and Calvary Saber can be used for thrusting with the right technique) but generally, most weapons have a specific focus in their role or are merely mediocre at multiple roles. Even guns, don't get me started on them... or planes... or ships... or... Just don't get me started. What of greatswords and hand-and-a-half swords? All-around, but not as effective?
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:12 pm
I thought we just did get you started...
I'm going to disagree on one thing, though. The knife that only cuts is inferior to the knife that cuts and stabs. Weapons that fulfill a single purpose are great, but most of the time they can fulfill another, very similar purpose without any decreased functionality. By merit of design, a broadsword can slice, stab, crush with the pommel, stab with the hilt, smash (ineffectively) with the blunt of the sword...even a scimitar is, by design, capable of multiple kinds of damage by smacking someone with the butt of the sword to smash their head in.
Take the morningstar for instance, or the flanged mace. These are blunt weapons that underwent upgrades to be able to cause other kinds of damage on impact. Due to their alternative additions, both are much better at killing enemies in armor than a simple metal club would be. A (and I shudder at the cliche as I say it) katana is still made to be able to thrust, even if the curved blade is better for slashing attacks. Limiting oneself to a single attack if multiple kinds are viable is about as foolish as trying to make your weapon do things that it was never expected to do.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:30 pm
Rodyn, how on earth do you stab with a two-handed sword without it being down upon a helpless opponent. That's a weapon designed to cleave or cut its way through armor, not stab its target in the belly. The weight of the blade makes it great for slashing or chopping through armor but much less effective in a leveled thrust, as opposed to a roman gladius which is designed to be used in a thrusting motion to kill the enemy. All weapons have a primary technique in their use that delivers the greatest damage. Other motions are secondary or tertiary meant to place the attacker in a position to utilize his primary means of attack.
As to Anna's argument about damage output. I'm talking about motions and techniques of attack. Striking a man with a club and striking a man with a morningstar is the same motion and manner of attack. It's just the morningstar does more damage thanks to the additions of its design.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:04 pm
stellarmagic Rodyn, how on earth do you stab with a two-handed sword without it being down upon a helpless opponent. That's a weapon designed to cleave or cut its way through armor, not stab its target in the belly. The weight of the blade makes it great for slashing or chopping through armor but much less effective in a leveled thrust, as opposed to a roman gladius which is designed to be used in a thrusting motion to kill the enemy. All weapons have a primary technique in their use that delivers the greatest damage. Other motions are secondary or tertiary meant to place the attacker in a position to utilize his primary means of attack. As to Anna's argument about damage output. I'm talking about motions and techniques of attack. Striking a man with a club and striking a man with a morningstar is the same motion and manner of attack. It's just the morningstar does more damage thanks to the additions of its design. I was just inquiring. My God.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:05 pm
Rodyn stellarmagic Rodyn, how on earth do you stab with a two-handed sword without it being down upon a helpless opponent. That's a weapon designed to cleave or cut its way through armor, not stab its target in the belly. The weight of the blade makes it great for slashing or chopping through armor but much less effective in a leveled thrust, as opposed to a roman gladius which is designed to be used in a thrusting motion to kill the enemy. All weapons have a primary technique in their use that delivers the greatest damage. Other motions are secondary or tertiary meant to place the attacker in a position to utilize his primary means of attack. As to Anna's argument about damage output. I'm talking about motions and techniques of attack. Striking a man with a club and striking a man with a morningstar is the same motion and manner of attack. It's just the morningstar does more damage thanks to the additions of its design. I was just inquiring. My God. Its ok buddy. People that talk a lot are just tying to show how smart they think they are. You can stab people with a two handed blade. You can do what ever the hell you want. Dont let mean people get you down. Go stab some one ASAP.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:25 pm
I'll second that. Most of the two-handed swords are made with a second grip above the hilt. They can function as spears if you hold them right.
And I'm not trying to be smart. Just trying to make sure I know what I'm talking about. The verdict is forthcoming.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:39 pm
If you're going to compare guns to blades, stick to guns and blades. If you're going to talk about blade phsyiodynamics, take it elsewhere.
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:58 pm
Anna, I was not directing that at you. Im sorry.
And here comes Nelo with the most talking to make his ego THAT much bigger. ( yes I mean that in a joking manner. )
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:39 pm
My God... What Hellish debate have I unleashed upon the guild with naught but a simple observation?
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Darkened Angel Vice Captain
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Darkened Angel Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:06 pm
Heh, the Krull Glaive.
" It's like a frisbee made of papercuts. "
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