Weapons for the Zombie Invasion

[lazycommie]

Freak_090

lazycommie

It's overhyped crap that breaks easy and is almost impossible to get parts for.

The only thing that isn't worthless is the G3, because it wasn't designed by those idiots(it started out as a Mauser design built in Spain by CETME in the years following WWII).

Other than that, it's nothing but junk. It gets a good reputation due to marketing, but other than that it's just overpriced and poorly designed.

A SMG that is basically a G3 in 9mm? The design doesn't work very well with the 9mm round

A rifle made of plastic that melts and has easy to damage optics and no backup optics, let alone the fact that it jams more than any other modern military weapon? It's a piece of s**t

A rifle exactly like the one above, but with more plastic that is easily melted or broken and is supposed to be "modular". Asking for trouble, I'm glad to see it got canned.

A handgun that relies on a little bit of rubber for proper locking? That's just plain stupid.


And it appears I've made a few enemies by calling out a shitty company with awful customer service, inferior products and that exists solely because of marketing.

1) H&K does LITTLE marketing in the US

2)H&K make very well designed and very reliable weapons.

3)The UMP45 was designed for close quarters combat not the rugged-out doors. Therefore, no need for "Super strong" sights.

4) There is a reason H&K use the basic G3 layout for most of their rifles, Proven reliability.

5) Unless you put a ridiculous amount of ammo that would never be feasible for combat situations the plastic won't melt.

6)Can you really blame them for lack customer service? Most of their business is Military related, and they are base in a country that has strict gun laws, because of this they have a tiny civilian market.

7) Do you know of any weapons that have "Back-up" sights, with the exeption of those wich have mounted optics?

1. They do a lot of marketing to the US military.

2. How come the various special forces type services of the US are abandoning the MP-5 in favor of the M4?

3. Still too long and heavy, especially for indoors.

4. And yet why does the MP-5 break to damn easy? It's far from reliable. The G-3 is a good weapon as an MBR, but by trying to create a sub gun out of it, you are taking it out of it's element. Like trying to force a fish to breathe air.

5. If you're using the G-36 as it was intended(because this was what I was targeting in that), you stand a good chance of overheating the gun and melting the plastic handguard. You don't need to fire wildly, just at a decent rate. Guns get hot when they're fired, that's a fact. They heat up as long as you're firing. Firing a few mags is enough to weaken it a lot.

6. Even the military hates their service. That's one of the reasons they're MP-5 is being dropped. They don't stand behind their products and they don't supply spare parts.

7. The G-36(what I was targeting with that statement) has only glass optics. No back up for when that is broken.


And just for the record, my initial statement targeted their arms in this order:

1. MP-5

2. G-36

3. XM-8

4. Any H&K handgun.  

[Buki_Actual]

lazycommie

Freak_090

lazycommie

It's overhyped crap that breaks easy and is almost impossible to get parts for.

The only thing that isn't worthless is the G3, because it wasn't designed by those idiots(it started out as a Mauser design built in Spain by CETME in the years following WWII).

Other than that, it's nothing but junk. It gets a good reputation due to marketing, but other than that it's just overpriced and poorly designed.

A SMG that is basically a G3 in 9mm? The design doesn't work very well with the 9mm round

A rifle made of plastic that melts and has easy to damage optics and no backup optics, let alone the fact that it jams more than any other modern military weapon? It's a piece of s**t

A rifle exactly like the one above, but with more plastic that is easily melted or broken and is supposed to be "modular". Asking for trouble, I'm glad to see it got canned.

A handgun that relies on a little bit of rubber for proper locking? That's just plain stupid.


And it appears I've made a few enemies by calling out a shitty company with awful customer service, inferior products and that exists solely because of marketing.

1) H&K does LITTLE marketing in the US

2)H&K make very well designed and very reliable weapons.

3)The UMP45 was designed for close quarters combat not the rugged-out doors. Therefore, no need for "Super strong" sights.

4) There is a reason H&K use the basic G3 layout for most of their rifles, Proven reliability.

5) Unless you put a ridiculous amount of ammo that would never be feasible for combat situations the plastic won't melt.

6)Can you really blame them for lack customer service? Most of their business is Military related, and they are base in a country that has strict gun laws, because of this they have a tiny civilian market.

7) Do you know of any weapons that have "Back-up" sights, with the exeption of those wich have mounted optics?

1. They do a lot of marketing to the US military.

2. How come the various special forces type services of the US are abandoning the MP-5 in favor of the M4?

3. Still too long and heavy, especially for indoors.

4. And yet why does the MP-5 break to damn easy? It's far from reliable. The G-3 is a good weapon as an MBR, but by trying to create a sub gun out of it, you are taking it out of it's element. Like trying to force a fish to breathe air.

5. If you're using the G-36 as it was intended(because this was what I was targeting in that), you stand a good chance of overheating the gun and melting the plastic handguard. You don't need to fire wildly, just at a decent rate. Guns get hot when they're fired, that's a fact. They heat up as long as you're firing. Firing a few mags is enough to weaken it a lot.

6. Even the military hates their service. That's one of the reasons they're MP-5 is being dropped. They don't stand behind their products and they don't supply spare parts.

7. The G-36(what I was targeting with that statement) has only glass optics. No back up for when that is broken.


And just for the record, my initial statement targeted their arms in this order:

1. MP-5

2. G-36

3. XM-8

4. Any H&K handgun.

Alright, I'm tired of listening to this s**t you're making up. I'm bringing in Lord Plate and Sierra BT  

[Stoic Socialist]

IMHO, HK is just overpriced Euro-Crap.

I'd much rather pay a little less for something else, and then use the extra cash for extra trigger time.  

[lazycommie]

Stoic Socialist

IMHO, HK is just overpriced Euro-Crap.

I'd much rather pay a little less for something else, and then use the extra cash for extra trigger time.

Well said.

Although not all euro-guns are bad. The PPS for example is a very new euro-gun that's very nicely made. Walther, Mauser and Steyr make good weapons.  

[OberFeldwebel]

Floyd

OberFeldwebel

... I still like the UMP-45 more so than the Mp5.
It has the look of Kickass.
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You mean, like this?

Do not want.  

[lance vahari]

Weapons I'd use? ( Preferred armaments, I'd only have one of each.)

Pistol: FNP-45, CZ-75, CZ-97, Beretta 92, Beretta 96, Browning Hi Power, 1911

Rifle: AR-15, FN-FAL, AK-47 Clone, Mini-14, M1A, M1 Garand, HK 91

Shotgun: Saiga 12, Mossberg 590, Mossberg 500, Remington 870, Winchester Model 12  

[Buki_Actual]

Stoic Socialist

IMHO, HK is just overpriced Euro-Crap.

I'd much rather pay a little less for something else, and then use the extra cash for extra trigger time.

Getting something cheaper and using the extra cash for more trigger time makes sense if you're a civilian.
H&K is German engineering at it's best. This H&K discussion is now over. Create a new thread and continue it there, although it will probably be gone by tomorrow.  

[OberFeldwebel]

SBBuckner

Stoic Socialist

IMHO, HK is just overpriced Euro-Crap.

I'd much rather pay a little less for something else, and then use the extra cash for extra trigger time.

Getting something cheaper and using the extra cash for more trigger time makes sense if you're a civilian.
H&K is German engineering at it's best. This H&K discussion is now over. Create a new thread and continue it there, although it will probably be gone by tomorrow.

German Engineering, in the haus... ja.  

[Fresnel]

Old Lord Brocktree

ArmasTermin

Fresnel

ArmasTermin

Browning Buck Mark (.22 LR) - Two whatever-round magazines

10, just like every other .22 on the market. Damn .22s.

10? Seriously? WTF? I know they could fit twenty rounds into a .22's magazine. But why? there's no capacity bans going on right now and .22s are so small you could fit 20 into a pistol mag if you wanted, if not more...

My guess is it's because there isn't that much of a demand.

But the rugers have a 15 round mag, I think.

The only .22 pistols I've found with more than a 10-round magazine are the TEC-22 and the Calico. But I can guarantee that the Buckmark has 10, 'cause one of my parents owns one (I don't know who technically bought it, but I suspect it was my dad). I love that little gun, but the way the slide opens on both sides leads to flecks of hot powder landing on your hand every so often. It's not that bad though, just a quick sting and no mark.  

[Fresnel]

lazycommie

the length of a collapsed AR-14 in M4 configuration.

*does not understand gripe*  

[Wiggie]

lazycommie

Stoic Socialist

IMHO, HK is just overpriced Euro-Crap.

I'd much rather pay a little less for something else, and then use the extra cash for extra trigger time.

Well said.

Although not all euro-guns are bad. The PPS for example is a very new euro-gun that's very nicely made. Walther, Mauser and Steyr make good weapons.

ya like the old kar 98 it might be bad compared to guns today but it ruled the battle field in long range rifles i mean it might have been bad because it was a bolt action but it was still powerful and had a long range  

[Wiggie]

Fresnel

lazycommie

the length of a collapsed AR-14 in M4 configuration.

*does not understand gripe*

if you're talking about the hand grip in front of the clip of ammo then i think nobody know why it was even put there  

[Wiggie]

if there was ever a zombie rampage that destroyed the US then i would get
1.glock(because its fast easy to reload and it has reliable firepower)
2.street sweeper shotgun(can take out large amounts of zombies)
3.a m16 A4 with AGOG scope attachment if they have it in the police department place(need it to snipe and its powerful)
4.samurai sword(i need something to kill zombies at point blank range that doesn't need ammo or reloading)  

[Floyd]

Wiggie

if there was ever a zombie rampage that destroyed the US then i would get
1.glock(because its fast easy to reload and it has reliable firepower)
2.street sweeper shotgun(can take out large amounts of zombies)
3.a m16 A4 with AGOG scope attachment if they have it in the police department place(need it to snipe and its powerful)
4.samurai sword(i need something to kill zombies at point blank range that doesn't need ammo or reloading)

If you haven't read the posts of the majority of this group, the Glock isn't on any of their lists for first choice. Seems the reliability issue is still a dark stain on the line. Except for the machine pistol variant which is built for the pressures, the Glock should not be considered 100% reliable, especially if you hand load your ammo.

If you want a low cap, reliable and affordable pistol, Bersa now markets a .45ACP semi-auto based on a Browning design. No one has ever reported a significant malfunction from a Bersa unless the owner did something stupid.

http://bersatalk.com/forums/11/ShowForum.aspx

Your other choices are fine.  

[Wiggie]

Floyd

Wiggie

if there was ever a zombie rampage that destroyed the US then i would get
1.glock(because its fast easy to reload and it has reliable firepower)
2.street sweeper shotgun(can take out large amounts of zombies)
3.a m16 A4 with AGOG scope attachment if they have it in the police department place(need it to snipe and its powerful)
4.samurai sword(i need something to kill zombies at point blank range that doesn't need ammo or reloading)

If you haven't read the posts of the majority of this group, the Glock isn't on any of their lists for first choice. Seems the reliability issue is still a dark stain on the line. Except for the machine pistol variant which is built for the pressures, the Glock should not be considered 100% reliable, especially if you hand load your ammo.

If you want a low cap, reliable and affordable pistol, Bersa now markets a .45ACP semi-auto based on a Browning design. No one has ever reported a significant malfunction from a Bersa unless the owner did something stupid.

http://bersatalk.com/forums/11/ShowForum.aspx

Your other choices are fine.

yeah but its still sort of reliable I mean who cares if it isn't on the other lists also i like it because it shoots quickly even though it isn't in the machine pistol form but it the only thing i don't really like about it is that it has a low cal. so it isn't as powerful as other pistols