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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:25 am
Imad Jibril Zaaki Imad Jibril Zaaki 1. I were talking about computer games, but you sound ok... 2. What's groomed hair? Is it long ore short? Is it those round things? 3. Ok... You got a dik? Do you got a handicap soo you have both sex? (i'm not talking physical) 4. You tried 1 year cool And the you give up rolleyes Is it hard to be normal confused
2. No, it's not an afro. Just extremely thick hair that is hard to tame.
3. Don't see the point of this. I am just not attracted to women sexually. I don't get urges, I can't see me marrying one of them. If I was forced, it would be very unhappy for the woman and for me. It wouldn't "cure" me. It would be cruel to inflict such unhappiness.
4. Try lying to yourself for a year. Then we'll talk.
What is normal for you is not normal for me. It is subjective. Especially since Allah created us to be unique creatures.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
By being gay, your lying for yourself. rolleyes
What the hell are you talking about Zaaki? Did Ratri and I not make it clear enough that homosexuality is NOT a choice?
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
You are gay, and Ratri is christian. Soo i would like someone else to explain it, and say something from Allah(swt) and not themselves.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:28 am
Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:31 am
Ratri_Cat Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality
And even if it is a mental disorder (which psychiatrists have already cleared up the notion that it is not) why should Allah punish people like that? Wouldn't it be the fault of Allah for a mental disorder? He created people. Some have mental disorders. Then are you saying that Allah created mental disorders in people so that they could be punished by others? Neither of you are making sense here.
Allah(swt) is testing Jibril. But it looks like he found his gay lover neutral
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:33 am
Zaaki Ratri_Cat Zaaki Ratri_Cat Zaaki By being gay, your lying for yourself. rolleyes
Seriously, Zaaki what the heck is your problem with Jibril? Just because he's gay doesn't make him any less of a person. I know you're only 13, but dear Lord, modern science has already proved that "being gay" is not a personal choice (granted there are some that "choose" but that is because they had a traumatic experience with the opposite sex). Jibril didn't choose to be gay. Not the way he keeps on praying to Allah. He is gay by birth and and quite possibly some chemical issues in his brain. NOT BY CHOICE. I've never seen anyone pray so hard and try so hard to be what you consider "normal". He's tried many different things, including going to a psychiatrist to see if he could be "changed" (i helped him pay for the bill because he didn't want it to go on his parents insurance and get them suspicious). It's impossible, unless he gets a sex change. And I don't think he wants to change what Allah has given him that much. That's not my problem neutral
What your problem is that you have an inability to accept people who are different from you. Look at squinty and Jibril. One is gay and the other is a Shi'a. Your posts have been derogatory and degrading to both individuals. You accuse Jibril of not being a real Muslim and tell him he needs to change simply because he is gay. I don't know much about Allah...but what I know about God is that he is merciful and loves EVERYONE, regardless of who they are. Why should you care about him being gay and telling him that he is in the wrong when he can't change? Why should Allah be so fricken discriminatory? If he truly is all-powerful, and all-knowing, he should be accepting and forgiving of ALL PEOPLE, especially if they try to find the true path to Him. Otherwise, I'd say that the Allah you pray to is nothing more than a shadow of the true, all-powerful, all-knowing, merciful Allah. I whill answer your question later, but why can't you accept me? I had problems with squinity beffore i knew he was shi'ar, and it's not becuz of that. It's nothing you have to discuz, and i whill forgive squinity in the judgement day. What's derogatory and degrading? Your wrong by saying that he can't change, cause he can. You also wrote that i can't accept other people, by that your lying. It's other people who can't accept me. The reason why i said That's not my problem rolleyes was because i get discriminated. Soo i suggested to let him be on hes own.
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:40 am
Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:49 am
Imad Jibril Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
We are talking about homosexuality, that's why i'm talking about that. And i diden't get the rest.
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:04 pm
Zaaki Imad Jibril Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
We are talking about homosexuality, that's why i'm talking about that. And i diden't get the rest.
oi, I thought I made it clear to you.
Both Ratri and I talk about scientific evidence about homosexuality NOT BEING A CHOICE.
And yet you want someone to talk about Allah and don't recognize/treat me as another Muslim. Heck, you barely give me respect.
aka, when we talk about science, and you talk about Allah, are you saying that Allah does not accept science? Or that you do not accept science as valid proof of what can occur in the natural world?
The way you keep on harassing me about getting a wife and to "stop lying to myself" s**t makes me wonder if all what Islam means to you is finding a woman and having her pop out Muslim babies.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:08 pm
Imad Jibril Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
Im sorry thats totaly not what i meant. I wasnt trying to say that allah was guna send you to hell... i didnt finish what i was getting at i guess. What i was trying to say it that im sure allah still loves you because you still love him just as much as anyone else heck maybe even more. I wasnt trying to say your going to hell or any of that. And allah is all about science if you notice how hes all about chemisty and such. Now the people im talking about that might go hell her are... for example the roman how they beat their wives and banged guy. AND im totally not putting you in that catogory imad. Heck i wana be your friend. When i was saying that being gay is a choice and then again its a mental disorder I was talking about people like the romans and people today. I belive that most people who are gay have issues because of parents or something else. And im not trying to say your screwy either. Im just saying that sometimes its a test and to me it seems your trying to make it up to allah that your being gay and hay if gays your way thats ok =) (sorry side of humor coming out sorry if anything i said offended you that was not my intentions)
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:17 pm
Poochiechan Imad Jibril Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
Im sorry thats totaly not what i meant. I wasnt trying to say that allah was guna send you to hell... i didnt finish what i was getting at i guess. What i was trying to say it that im sure allah still loves you because you still love him just as much as anyone else heck maybe even more. I wasnt trying to say your going to hell or any of that. And allah is all about science if you notice how hes all about chemisty and such. Now the people im talking about that might go hell her are... for example the roman how they beat their wives and banged guy. AND im totally not putting you in that catogory imad. Heck i wana be your friend. When i was saying that being gay is a choice and then again its a mental disorder I was talking about people like the romans and people today. I belive that most people who are gay have issues because of parents or something else. And im not trying to say your screwy either. Im just saying that sometimes its a test and to me it seems your trying to make it up to allah that your being gay and hay if gays your way thats ok =) (sorry side of humor coming out sorry if anything i said offended you that was not my intentions)
thank you for that note. i'm a bit puzzled about the romans and people today par t though. could your clear that up for me?
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:22 pm
Ok well romans where kind of like ***** they diddled little boys but i dont think there was anything mentally wrong with them. Cuz it seems to be that having guy on guy intercorse was kind of encoranged plus they went out to war for like... years and there werent really any females so its like jail... someone becamse somone elses b***h... but in a more kinder way. and today parents just arent parents... but im not saying your parents are bad parents it could be somthing else that happened, usually its some tramatic thing that happened to make someone have such feelings in the present time of date.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:24 pm
Imad Jibril Zaaki Poochiechan Well first off Allah is not discriminating! Zakki is giving you all the wrong pointer of him. Allah just tells what is and can not be. He gave people these things such as affection for the same gender as a test. If we are devout in are love for him we will do are best to suppress such feeling. Because allah is like a parent. He tells us what is right and wrong for our own good and like children we either disobey or fallow. I agree though with ratri you are being to hard on him being gay is a personal choice I believe that. Its also a mental disorder at the same time. Ratri zakki is acting out on his own impulse of going against Imad and his homosexuality I'm not going against Jibril. Allah(swt) send him help, and if he keep deny then he's welcome to hell. With his new gayfriend.
And how do you know that Allah will send me to hell for being gay? Did you read His memo? Or is Islam now only based on falling in love with the opposite sex and making tons of Muslim babies? That's what I'm hearing from you.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
Allah(swt) made sceience, but what do it have to do with the case? I don't know where you are going, hell ore paradice. It's you who choise. Ohh, and live isen't eassy. You can lie to yourself all the life if that's what Allah(swt) says. No Islam is not ALLt about falling in love and make babies.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:39 pm
Zaaki Allah(swt) made sceience, but what do it have to do with the case? I don't know where you are going, hell ore paradice. It's you who choise. Ohh, and live isen't eassy. You can lie to yourself all the life if that's what Allah(swt) says. No Islam is not ALLt about falling in love and make babies.
Zaaki, it would do you some good to read my posts before making your insults.
I said that the notion of homosexuality NOT BEING A CHOICE IS BACKED UP BY SCIENTIFIC CLAIMS.
so if Allah made science, and science proves that homosexuality is not a choice, it means that I'm a perfectly normal functioning human being in the eyes of Allah. And that it is not wrong for me to love a man but it is wrong to be forced to love a woman whom I have no desires for whatsoever.
And again, if Allah made science, and science proves that HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE....then I'm not lying and you're ignoring the facts of life.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
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The Dead Terrorist Achmed
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:43 pm
Zakki.. LET IT GO!!! this is somthing that Imad has and its his issue let him be! God damn its not like hes trying to make you gay or somthing.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:45 pm
Imad Jibril Zaaki Allah(swt) made sceience, but what do it have to do with the case? I don't know where you are going, hell ore paradice. It's you who choise. Ohh, and live isen't eassy. You can lie to yourself all the life if that's what Allah(swt) says. No Islam is not ALLt about falling in love and make babies.
Zaaki, it would do you some good to read my posts before making your insults.
I said that the notion of homosexuality NOT BEING A CHOICE IS BACKED UP BY SCIENTIFIC CLAIMS.
so if Allah made science, and science proves that homosexuality is not a choice, it means that I'm a perfectly normal functioning human being in the eyes of Allah. And that it is not wrong for me to love a man but it is wrong to be forced to love a woman whom I have no desires for whatsoever.
And again, if Allah made science, and science proves that HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE....then I'm not lying and you're ignoring the facts of life.
Yes, I am a flaming Muslim...but Allah loves me!
But Allah(swt) says that you have to get married with the other sex.
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