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No. I will not accept someone who refuses to learn about other people and remain ignorant by believing in only her opinion to be right when other sources prove otherwise.

Making up your own sources doesn't count.

She was saying that she didn't need to learn about people whom she's criticizing. That is ignorance, that is arrogance about one's own opinion. I was pointing that out.

I might as well talk about how horrible Islam is if you're going to justify her opinion. I haven't studied Islam that much but from what I've learned I can easily claim that its a brainwashing, horrible cult. But I'm not, because I'm willing to learn from other people what Islam is. Mini_Angel, on the other hand has claimed that homosexuals are mentally disturbed, has insinuated that there is something "wrong" with them, while refusing to learn about homosexuality in depth; and instead categorizing them as all bad people an sinners. With that sort of logic, I can claim that all Muslims are terrorists as long as she keeps up her banter, and you too, for refusing to learn about people who are different than you.

I find it quite irritating that people think I'm incapable of real, unselfish love because I'm gay. I don't go around having promiscuous lifestyle, I don't go around molesting little boys, I don't do anything that the "stereotypical homosexual male" is supposed to be doing by some social myth.
I want to live a life with the partner I love and adopt children. Is that really evil and selfish? Is it really a mockery of living a good life? Because I've tried to live a life expected of a devout Muslim male, but I cannot interest myself in females. It's not matter of will power, it's a matter of lying to myself and to people I care about. I don't want to live a life of lie and delude myself into thinking that I can be "normal" if I make my true self dead to the world because my religion, my culture finds it unacceptable.

This makes no sense. Why is it inappropriate to begin with?


Yet learning about them is inappropriate?



But learning about them is wrong at such an age! rolleyes
Homosexuals have just as much of a capability to harm you as a straight person. Explain this.


So it's fine to still talk about how bad they are in religion? To think that they have some sort of mental deficiency?

Bismillah ---

I guess Absurd, you don't really know how it is in here, I know way too much, and it's bad, I should take things slow. Because it would make me feel bothered, and always thinking about it, not so good for my mind. So I'd rather leave these kind of things, for the future.

I was just saying what islam saying about them, as Allah punished Lut's people very bad. I don't know whether it's a mental disease, or a physical disorder, or whatever it is. I told you before, about what is acceptable, changes from one person to another. Someone goes way too far, but others stick with the lines. There's nothing I can say further, for the lack of information I have. My school doesn't teach these kind of things. And, I won't be able to really understand, unless I'm really in them! And I have never met someone like that. Do you see what I mean?

--- Salam

I'm a few days late, but I'll try to explain some things to you.

The Old Testament is the book of Jewish beliefs. Christianity is built on Judaism, so it's important to have. (You have to know your history before you can worry about your present or future.) The New Testament is what was added. It's about Jesus and the new covenant.

The New Testament was written after Jesus' death, I believe.
But your Quran was written after Muhammed's death.
So you can't really question Christians there.

Christians believe in free will. I don't know if Muslims do.
But because of this, they don't need a book to dictate every single aspect of their lives.

As for what you said about male/female...
I liked what someone said earlier in the thread.
Straight people are making too many babies. We have a lot of orphans and foster children who need homes. Gay couples can provide those homes, and since gay people can't reproduce, they keep the population under control. I believe that, if there is a God or Allah or anything like that, He or She or It made gay people on purpose, to help us take care of what we have instead of making and abandoning more.

As it is, we're over-populated.
If we ever get to the point that we're under-populated (though I doubt that will happen), there are techniques like artificial insemination. So even if everyone on Earth were gay, we could still make kids. (Sorry, but really, the "we won't be able to make babies" argument gets old.)



Mini Angel, if you check here again, I'd like to say this.
I think Absurd Thought was right. She was a little too harsh about it, but she is right that you should learn about someone before criticizing them.

I'm attracted to both genders, so I'm a little bit of gay and a little bit of straight. And it's exactly the same attraction for both sides. Does that help you to understand? The way that some people like girls and the way that other people like boys is the same. Gay people aren't that different from straight people, I promise.

Ohh, you are welcome. stare And welcome to the guild wink

first if god (its got rather being Allah) created human in the form of Adam and Eve which unfortunately(XD) were male and female which unfortunately again meant that its about the male and female interaction in terms of sex and that perhaps (again UNFORTUNATELY) meant that no gay or you might take mean an stereotype with the answer that it was to give BIRTH to people so that in future there could be GAY and LESBIAN(?) rather i would say you an stereotype XD

and other thing to ratri i would like to say that girls in Muslim countries are all stereotypes (which in my words mean that they are backward and are not so open but they are rather shy which is a good thing)




EDIT: i found this some where

For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. (Genesis 2:24)

Jesus said:

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." (Matthew 19:4-6 )