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black_wing_angel Vice Captain
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Plexiglass Prism I absolutely think it is the decision of the mother.
A woman should most certainly not have to go through the pain of giving birth to a child she doesn't want simply because the father wants it. A woman gives up a lot for the sake of giving birth to a child that a man doesn't.
And, with medical science, those problems becomes matters of choice!
You don't want to suffer the pain of child-birth? Anesthesia, to the rescue! You don't have to feel a thing!
You don't want your v****a mangled? Just say "ceserean section, please!"
You don't want to have to take care of the child? Give it to daddy, or an adoption center, and walk away!
You don't want the hassle? DON'T ******** horny to not ********? Behold the miracle of HANDS, and other fun toys! It's really that easy!
There are no real problems with pregnancy that can't be averted or avoided.
Quote: That would be giving the man control over what a woman does with her body. Complications can occur with birth and if a woman doesn't want a child she should not have to risk her own life and health for the sake of a desire of a man.
And, in return, he shouldn't have to risk his financial security, and all of that, for the sake of the desire of a woman, to keep the child.
So, she can abort, and he can leave. No one has to get stuck with responsibilities they don't want, no matter how much they rightfully deserve to be!
EVERYONE WINS! |
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 11:32 pm
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black_wing_angel Plexiglass Prism I absolutely think it is the decision of the mother.
A woman should most certainly not have to go through the pain of giving birth to a child she doesn't want simply because the father wants it. A woman gives up a lot for the sake of giving birth to a child that a man doesn't.
And, with medical science, those problems becomes matters of choice!
You don't want to suffer the pain of child-birth? Anesthesia, to the rescue! You don't have to feel a thing!
You don't want your v****a mangled? Just say "ceserean section, please!"
You don't want to have to take care of the child? Give it to daddy, or an adoption center, and walk away!
You don't want the hassle? DON'T ******** horny to not ********? Behold the miracle of HANDS, and other fun toys! It's really that easy!
There are no real problems with pregnancy that can't be averted or avoided.
1. Pregnancy in itself is painful. There are cramps, wind, bloating, kicking, pre-eclampsia: Which nearly killed my mother both times she was pregnant.
2. Anesthesia only works so much. Days after the woman gives birth she has sore legs, a sore v****a and generally there's a 'grin and bear it' slogan attached to the recovery period for that.
3. Caesarians are not as simple as you think. The uterus is not simply half an inch inside a woman, they have to cut really deep, sometimes leaving severe scarring and potential health problems later. I just asked my mother and she showed me the scar that once held the portal between uteri for my brother and me. It's a pretty epic scar.
Caesarian cuts hurt for weeks afterwards.
4. The world is overpopulated as it is. Giving a child to an adoption centre leaves the potential that the child may end up in state care: I'm pretty sure Australian state care is just as unreliable as American state care.
Daddy? Who's to say that daddy alone is going to do the job? Who's to say that mommy alone is going to do the job?
It's not as simple as you think. Children aren't as simple as you think. I'm not sure whether your idealism behind babies is preventing you from seeing the truth, but pregnancy damages women. Sure, they might recover afterwards, but for the duration, they've had to incubate something that squashes their other organs in ways that causes them discomfort.
Pregnancy is no walk in the park, sweetheart.
The miracle of 'toys' and 'hands'? Darling, I spent the early hours of last night fapping away in my room. It's really not as nice as sharing the comfort of a bed and feeling flesh on flesh.
'Easy' solutions rarely perform as well as one would like.
Quote: Quote: That would be giving the man control over what a woman does with her body. Complications can occur with birth and if a woman doesn't want a child she should not have to risk her own life and health for the sake of a desire of a man. And, in return, he shouldn't have to risk his financial security, and all of that, for the sake of the desire of a woman, to keep the child. So, she can abort, and he can leave. No one has to get stuck with responsibilities they don't want, no matter how much they rightfully deserve to be! EVERYONE WINS!
Men should be careful about where they put their semen. If we were like seahorses and males carried the offspring, I'm sure there would a huge uproar about women making men take care of offspring.
Look: if a woman gets knocked up and the father wants to keep the baby, she should not have to go through nine months of bullshit to satiate his desire to have a kid.
As you said yourself: there are adoption centres. if he wants a kid, there are plenty of ways to get one without putting a woman through something she doesn't want to go through. |
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black_wing_angel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 5:37 am
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Kats Scratches black_wing_angel Plexiglass Prism I absolutely think it is the decision of the mother.
A woman should most certainly not have to go through the pain of giving birth to a child she doesn't want simply because the father wants it. A woman gives up a lot for the sake of giving birth to a child that a man doesn't. And, with medical science, those problems becomes matters of choice! You don't want to suffer the pain of child-birth? Anesthesia, to the rescue! You don't have to feel a thing! You don't want your v****a mangled? Just say "ceserean section, please!" You don't want to have to take care of the child? Give it to daddy, or an adoption center, and walk away! You don't want the hassle? DON'T ******** horny to not ********? Behold the miracle of HANDS, and other fun toys! It's really that easy! There are no real problems with pregnancy that can't be averted or avoided.
1. Pregnancy in itself is painful. There are cramps, wind, bloating, kicking, pre-eclampsia: Which nearly killed my mother both times she was pregnant.
And not having sex, or having sex only with oneself, could avoid those problems.
Quote: 2. Anesthesia only works so much. Days after the woman gives birth she has sore legs, a sore v****a and generally there's a 'grin and bear it' slogan attached to the recovery period for that.
As a somewhat "body builder", I know how it feels to be sore, and to "grin and bare it". Basically, if I felt I couldn't handle the soreness after a good workout, I wouldn't work out.
Quote: 3. Caesarians are not as simple as you think. The uterus is not simply half an inch inside a woman, they have to cut really deep, sometimes leaving severe scarring and potential health problems later. I just asked my mother and she showed me the scar that once held the portal between uteri for my brother and me. It's a pretty epic scar.
Valid. But I'm willing to bet that there are medical advances now that can keep you from scarring badly.
And again, no sex, no problem.
Quote: Caesarian cuts hurt for weeks afterwards.
Well, I've been cut a few times, and they're not so bad. After a few hours, it becomes barable. I'd assume C-section cuts aren't much worse.
Quote: 4. The world is overpopulated as it is. Giving a child to an adoption centre leaves the potential that the child may end up in state care: I'm pretty sure Australian state care is just as unreliable as American state care.
Then don't procreate. Abstain the flesh, and you have nothing to fear.
But people these days only care about the immediate effects of their actions. God forbid they should be asked to accept the responsibilities they bestow upon themselves.
Quote: Daddy? Who's to say that daddy alone is going to do the job? Who's to say that mommy alone is going to do the job? It's not as simple as you think. Children aren't as simple as you think. I'm not sure whether your idealism behind babies is preventing you from seeing the truth, but pregnancy damages women. Sure, they might recover afterwards, but for the duration, they've had to incubate something that squashes their other organs in ways that causes them discomfort. Pregnancy is no walk in the park, sweetheart.
I'm sure it's not. But, it IS avoidable.
Quote: The miracle of 'toys' and 'hands'? Darling, I spent the early hours of last night fapping away in my room. It's really not as nice as sharing the comfort of a bed and feeling flesh on flesh.
Ah, but such "comforts" often come with consequences that you may not be up for.
And it's at least tolerable. It's not "quite" the same thing, but it's close enough, if you REALLY want to avoid procreation.
It's called "compromising".
It's so much more "comforting" to live in your own home, all to yourself, than to live with your parents. But, if you're not ready to foot the bills, and tackle the various OTHER responsibilities of self reliant living, then you just deal with living at your parents, until you CAN accept the responsibilities.
Quote: 'Easy' solutions rarely perform as well as one would like.
But in this case, it does the job.
Quote: Quote: Quote: That would be giving the man control over what a woman does with her body. Complications can occur with birth and if a woman doesn't want a child she should not have to risk her own life and health for the sake of a desire of a man. And, in return, he shouldn't have to risk his financial security, and all of that, for the sake of the desire of a woman, to keep the child. So, she can abort, and he can leave. No one has to get stuck with responsibilities they don't want, no matter how much they rightfully deserve to be! EVERYONE WINS! Men should be careful about where they put their semen.
Women should be careful about who they let put their semen in them.
If men have to "watch it", women do too. It takes 2, after all.
If we were like seahorses and males carried the offspring, I'm sure there would a huge uproar about women making men take care of offspring.
I'm sure there would be. And he'd have the right to abort, just as a woman does. That doesn't change anything.
Quote: Look: if a woman gets knocked up and the father wants to keep the baby, she should not have to go through nine months of bullshit to satiate his desire to have a kid.
I never said she should. In fact, quite the opposite. But she should at least be courteous enough to consider his opinion, on the matter. A compromise shouldn't be absolutely out of the question.
Quote: As you said yourself: there are adoption centres. if he wants a kid, there are plenty of ways to get one without putting a woman through something she doesn't want to go through.
I agree. However, I will say this. If you're not ready to deal with the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't perform such actions. That's my opinion. |
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 12:09 am
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black_wing_angel Kats Scratches black_wing_angel Plexiglass Prism I absolutely think it is the decision of the mother.
A woman should most certainly not have to go through the pain of giving birth to a child she doesn't want simply because the father wants it. A woman gives up a lot for the sake of giving birth to a child that a man doesn't. And, with medical science, those problems becomes matters of choice! You don't want to suffer the pain of child-birth? Anesthesia, to the rescue! You don't have to feel a thing! You don't want your v****a mangled? Just say "ceserean section, please!" You don't want to have to take care of the child? Give it to daddy, or an adoption center, and walk away! You don't want the hassle? DON'T ******** horny to not ********? Behold the miracle of HANDS, and other fun toys! It's really that easy! There are no real problems with pregnancy that can't be averted or avoided. 1. Pregnancy in itself is painful. There are cramps, wind, bloating, kicking, pre-eclampsia: Which nearly killed my mother both times she was pregnant.
And not having sex, or having sex only with oneself, could avoid those problems.
Quote: 2. Anesthesia only works so much. Days after the woman gives birth she has sore legs, a sore v****a and generally there's a 'grin and bear it' slogan attached to the recovery period for that.
As a somewhat "body builder", I know how it feels to be sore, and to "grin and bare it". Basically, if I felt I couldn't handle the soreness after a good workout, I wouldn't work out.
Quote: 3. Caesarians are not as simple as you think. The uterus is not simply half an inch inside a woman, they have to cut really deep, sometimes leaving severe scarring and potential health problems later. I just asked my mother and she showed me the scar that once held the portal between uteri for my brother and me. It's a pretty epic scar.
Valid. But I'm willing to bet that there are medical advances now that can keep you from scarring badly.
And again, no sex, no problem.
Quote: Caesarian cuts hurt for weeks afterwards.
Well, I've been cut a few times, and they're not so bad. After a few hours, it becomes barable. I'd assume C-section cuts aren't much worse.
Quote: 4. The world is overpopulated as it is. Giving a child to an adoption centre leaves the potential that the child may end up in state care: I'm pretty sure Australian state care is just as unreliable as American state care.
Then don't procreate. Abstain the flesh, and you have nothing to fear.
But people these days only care about the immediate effects of their actions. God forbid they should be asked to accept the responsibilities they bestow upon themselves.
Quote: Daddy? Who's to say that daddy alone is going to do the job? Who's to say that mommy alone is going to do the job? It's not as simple as you think. Children aren't as simple as you think. I'm not sure whether your idealism behind babies is preventing you from seeing the truth, but pregnancy damages women. Sure, they might recover afterwards, but for the duration, they've had to incubate something that squashes their other organs in ways that causes them discomfort. Pregnancy is no walk in the park, sweetheart.
I'm sure it's not. But, it IS avoidable.
Quote: The miracle of 'toys' and 'hands'? Darling, I spent the early hours of last night fapping away in my room. It's really not as nice as sharing the comfort of a bed and feeling flesh on flesh.
Ah, but such "comforts" often come with consequences that you may not be up for.
And it's at least tolerable. It's not "quite" the same thing, but it's close enough, if you REALLY want to avoid procreation.
It's called "compromising".
It's so much more "comforting" to live in your own home, all to yourself, than to live with your parents. But, if you're not ready to foot the bills, and tackle the various OTHER responsibilities of self reliant living, then you just deal with living at your parents, until you CAN accept the responsibilities.
Quote: 'Easy' solutions rarely perform as well as one would like.
But in this case, it does the job.
Quote: Quote: Quote: That would be giving the man control over what a woman does with her body. Complications can occur with birth and if a woman doesn't want a child she should not have to risk her own life and health for the sake of a desire of a man. And, in return, he shouldn't have to risk his financial security, and all of that, for the sake of the desire of a woman, to keep the child. So, she can abort, and he can leave. No one has to get stuck with responsibilities they don't want, no matter how much they rightfully deserve to be! EVERYONE WINS! Men should be careful about where they put their semen.
Women should be careful about who they let put their semen in them.
If men have to "watch it", women do too. It takes 2, after all.
If we were like seahorses and males carried the offspring, I'm sure there would a huge uproar about women making men take care of offspring.
I'm sure there would be. And he'd have the right to abort, just as a woman does. That doesn't change anything.
Quote: Look: if a woman gets knocked up and the father wants to keep the baby, she should not have to go through nine months of bullshit to satiate his desire to have a kid.
I never said she should. In fact, quite the opposite. But she should at least be courteous enough to consider his opinion, on the matter. A compromise shouldn't be absolutely out of the question.
Quote: As you said yourself: there are adoption centres. if he wants a kid, there are plenty of ways to get one without putting a woman through something she doesn't want to go through.
I agree. However, I will say this. If you're not ready to deal with the consequences of your actions, you shouldn't perform such actions. That's my opinion.
CONTRACEPTION
IS
NOT
FAIL-PROOF.
That aside, the way one deals with such consequences of their actions is completely up to whatever avenue that person uses to deal with it. Abortion is one way to deal with it.
Unless you're willing to descend into medieval values, a woman has right to her own body, and she should never have something done to it that she has not agreed or accepted to do.
It's like raping a woman's uterus, if you really want to get down to it. Consent to sex is not consent to conceive.
Unless pre-agreed, both parties are responsible for contraception. Women should take a preventative, and men should use a condom.
No, a compromise shouldn't be out of the question, but in the end, the mother has the final say.
Also, you're comparing a C-section cut with a random cut? THEY CUT INTO A ******** ORGAN. HOW DENSE ARE YOU?
On a last note, back on the masturbation topic:
Although I might hate sex, I can truly understand why people do it. The closeness is really nice. Laying in someone's arms afterwards is nice.
Babies are the last thing on girls' minds when they're in that position. And no hand or toy could possibly replace that.
(Yeah, yeah, I know. Abstain. etc.) |
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:33 am
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 3:47 am
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:27 am
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 10:06 am
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village midget Kats Scratches
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Dude, even hermaphrodites self-impregnate without meaning to. I think there's a couple of cases of human hermaphrodites.
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. lol wut? eek please back this up it sounds far too ludicrous to be true...
But if it did happen, I wonder what the chances are that the child would be your clone? I know it's not perfect, but the chances must be astronomically higher than otherwise. |
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 2:34 pm
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Fresnel village midget Kats Scratches
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Dude, even hermaphrodites self-impregnate without meaning to. I think there's a couple of cases of human hermaphrodites.
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. lol wut? eek please back this up it sounds far too ludicrous to be true... Yeah, I'd like to hear more on this too. AFAIK, all human hermaphrodites are at LEAST half-sterile. But if it did happen, I wonder what the chances are that the child would be your clone? I know it's not perfect, but the chances must be astronomically higher than otherwise.
lol, i am wondering at the idea that they self impregnate by accident...seems like it would have to be a very concentrated effort to manage that physically...probably quite a talent... |
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:27 pm
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Kats Scratches
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Dude, even hermaphrodites self-impregnate without meaning to. I think there's a couple of cases of human hermaphrodites.
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake.
Human Hermaphodites can not impregnante themselves Human hermaphrodites are extremely rare. Pseudohermaphrodites have the internal sex organs of one sex, but the external appearance of the other. The true sex of the latter becomes apparent at adolescence when the normal hormone activity appropriate to the internal organs begins to function. Human pseudohermaphrodites show functional disturbance of the endocrine glands, especially of the pituitary or adrenal glands, and do not possess two sets of functioning sex organs. Because of the homology between male and female sex organs, it may be difficult to tell whether a human hermaphrodite is a female with overdeveloped clitoris or a male with underdeveloped p***s, cleft scrotum, and nondescendant testes. Recently, many persons have undergone surgical or hormone treatment to modify their nonfunctioning sex characteristics and emphasize the sex indicated by those that are functional. |
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:57 pm
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Posted: Mon May 18, 2009 9:29 pm
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MayIHelpYou22102 Kats Scratches
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Dude, even hermaphrodites self-impregnate without meaning to. I think there's a couple of cases of human hermaphrodites.
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. Human Hermaphodites can not impregnante themselves Human hermaphrodites are extremely rare. Pseudohermaphrodites have the internal sex organs of one sex, but the external appearance of the other. The true sex of the latter becomes apparent at adolescence when the normal hormone activity appropriate to the internal organs begins to function. Human pseudohermaphrodites show functional disturbance of the endocrine glands, especially of the pituitary or adrenal glands, and do not possess two sets of functioning sex organs. Because of the homology between male and female sex organs, it may be difficult to tell whether a human hermaphrodite is a female with overdeveloped clitoris or a male with underdeveloped p***s, cleft scrotum, and nondescendant testes. Recently, many persons have undergone surgical or hormone treatment to modify their nonfunctioning sex characteristics and emphasize the sex indicated by those that are functional.
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't too sure. I think there are some animal hermaphrodites that can, but DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT D:
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. |
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:08 am
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Kats Scratches MayIHelpYou22102 Kats Scratches
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Dude, even hermaphrodites self-impregnate without meaning to. I think there's a couple of cases of human hermaphrodites.
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. Human Hermaphodites can not impregnante themselves Human hermaphrodites are extremely rare. Pseudohermaphrodites have the internal sex organs of one sex, but the external appearance of the other. The true sex of the latter becomes apparent at adolescence when the normal hormone activity appropriate to the internal organs begins to function. Human pseudohermaphrodites show functional disturbance of the endocrine glands, especially of the pituitary or adrenal glands, and do not possess two sets of functioning sex organs. Because of the homology between male and female sex organs, it may be difficult to tell whether a human hermaphrodite is a female with overdeveloped clitoris or a male with underdeveloped p***s, cleft scrotum, and nondescendant testes. Recently, many persons have undergone surgical or hormone treatment to modify their nonfunctioning sex characteristics and emphasize the sex indicated by those that are functional.
She burns like the sun, and I can't look away
Thanks for clearing that up, I wasn't too sure. I think there are some animal hermaphrodites that can, but DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT D:
She'll burn our horizons, make no mistake. "Yup. One form is pollination." |
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:12 am
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:47 pm
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