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 Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:23 am
Agreed.
We kill to protect ourselves, Our families, our faith, our morals, you get it...
I really don't know much about this topic, but still...
I think Shinigami Vayth said it well enough
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:43 am
The_Pathan Miss_Pathan. THESE ARE RIGHT FACTS. What makes you think i am wrong? Read about afghani criminality and criminality in karachi. And use your maths to calculate. Quote: I never said Taliban are thieves. I'm explaining the burglar as an example to an idea, . . . "just because one thinks what he/she done is right doesn't mean it is right for others." Want me to give another example? Let say a girl think sex is good and she likes it, and helps her ease off her problems. But that doesn't mean that act is right for everyone else. Still don't understand what I mean? I'm not pointing about the stealing act to Taliban or anyone, I'm just putting it as an example. Just like Taliban, just because they do killings and you said they do it for protection, doesn't mean it is right for others. Look at how people react to them. Just because they protect people look them as terrorist because they think the Taliban are killing, not protecting. And we, Muslims thinks Taliban are bad in our eyes ourselves. How are they good when majority think they are not? Which means that we are bad for some people and good for some people, right? But for Allah and their country they are good, which is the point. Quote: You are explaining who they are on your own views. How far have you study about them? How far have you know about them? Where is your proof that they are doing MORE GOOD than MORE BAD? Or did you record any videos that they said they are protecting their homes? Or did you record any videos that people are attacking them and they are protecting themselves? What proof they have to prove to the WORLD they are protecting? What proof they have to prove to the MUSLIM they are doing JIHAD? What happens if they had their weapon taken? Would not it be better if their weapons is taken away? Or they will be tortured? What have they done to make a solution for the conflict without any bullets flying? Without a gun, they would steal them back. or make more. simple. What would USA do if someone tock all their guns? lol And i have read alot about them. They mostly got towers at their homes where they shoot the atackers. ^_^ I am one of them after all. besides i got no gun. The prove for what they are fighting for? rofl lolz, if they werren't fighting for Allah and their country, what is then the reason for killing all those soviets and now killing all these millitants? U think they are fighting soo they can steal their money? rofl Quote: So you are saying the Taliban get mad and start killing? Why are they mad? Because their weapons will be taken away? I need explanations. Plus, killing is still bad in people's eyes. And how are they killing? How did they kill? By protecting or by engaging in an attack? Attack is already an opposite meaning of protect. Ever heard the quote? ATACKING IS THE BEST DEFFENCE! Quote: I don't know what do you want to point out here, but criminals are lurking a lot in my country. And most of them are MUSLIMS by name. Exporting and importing drugs, guns, stealing, killing, raping, and other simple criminals that not only bring danger to themselves also to others. So what do you know from living in a country with less crime rate? Just because your country has low crime rates doesn't mean what Taliban did is right. I'm telling they ain't criminals. They are jihad fighters! Quote: You mention Muhammad has 12 wives. But then you made a confusion among others. I'm just trying to correct it. The Quran only told us to put a limit of 4 wives, it is a rule. A rule that you can't have more than 4 wives at once. But not a rule that you must have 4. Allah only put a limit to how many wives you can have. Polygamy existed before Islam exist. But to have 4 wives, there are things that you need to comply. You must be able to support all 4 wives FAIRLY. So how did Muhammad had 12 wives? He only married when his wife passed away. And he is able to support them, by financial, etc. Let me point out what divineseraph said. divineseraph Wrote: Just because a group does one thing that is acceptable, that doesn't make all of their actions right. Did you even take any consideration for what he just said? Let me point out a few points. Let say the Taliban protect their families, their homes. Okay, that is a good thing. It is to protect their properties. But ATTACKING others is not a right thing to do. To kill recklessly is not a right thing to do. =/ Please don't think only for yourself. Rofl!!!! How will you protect their homes, without atack those who atack their homes? rofl Atacking is the best deffence wink In every material art they say that too...... the deffence is best for the shooter. And about 4 wifes, i diden't know that. but 4 wifes is normal to have 3nodding live with 1 lady every day, for 4 days wink yea i no that with the wives n i dont think the talibans are bad i jus think saying bad thinks about 1 of my motherland(s) (karachi, sindh, pakistan) is a good think i bet afghanistan has issues too!! u get neutral
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:33 am
Pathan, i was telling about a paksitani city, and Afghanistan. what's the diffrence...
Shinigami sorry for insulting your culture.... why u bring silat into this anyways? Weapons and silat is something else.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:59 am
I didn't. You're talking about Attacking is the best defense in martial arts, and Tranquility brought it into this topic. And that was your response. Well, it doesn't matter now..^^
I know it's different topic, that's why I said "it's OOT"
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:31 am
okay???
In Silat atacking is also the best deffence!
if u stand still and keep parrying the enemy, u lose. if u start giving a hit, u win.
right? =)
thats why atacking is the best deffence.
Not to make enemy with everyone, but to atack your enemies instead of they kill u.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:03 am
we're talking about killing here, not just a mere attacking. Shinigami Vayth Oh, this is a little OOT, but since you're talking about attacking is the best defense in martial arts, we don't learn it to kill people. It's self defense, we're attacked, then we counter them. If they're unintentionally killed in process, that can't be helped, and we're just defending ourselves. But if you're intentionally kill them, it's not what why we learn it in the first place, unless you're twisted from the start.
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:42 am
atacking = killing
don't ya get it?
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:49 am
ok but i do get protective
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 7:07 pm
Attack is not the same as killing. I can attack without killing. Killing is taking someone's life, attack is engaging on the enemies. The one who pointed out martial arts is you Pathan. And I'm making a silat as an example, and you insulted others culture. And simply say sorry. You never THINK before you said anything. Here is the meaning of attacking.Here is the meaning of killing.Taken out from dictionary.com
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Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:02 pm
The_Pathan atacking = killing don't ya get it? really.. I laughed hard when reading this.. rofl your word definition in your head really need to be expanded, Zaki. Well, please read Tranquility's links
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:11 am
im not telling that atacking means to thake someones life.
And no thank you, i am not retarded, i know the meaning of killing. thank you for telling me i don't know anyting smile
ur very kind.
In what we were talking about (taliban) our atacking means killing, right?
The taliban does not make silat, when people are shooting at them. they use guns to atack with.
Makes sence? rofl
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 6:53 am
uhh.. how are you telling that you're "not telling that attacking means to take someone's life" when you write "attacking=killing" sweatdrop
yeah, and shooting with guns isn't martial arts and we're talking about that here. (We've talking two different topic)
And about Taliban, that's why I said I personally don't like them..
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:09 am
The_Pathan atacking = killing don't ya get it? Eh? What did you said about this? Twisting your words? First you said attack is killing, now you said attack is not killing? Which killing means taking someone's life?
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:27 am
shinigami, no we are not talking about silat, we are talking about taliban lol
tranquility, i'm telling when i said atacking i meant killing.
u can atack without killing, or with killing. in this dicussion, atacking is killing. alright?
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:37 am
You CAN'T change the meaning of attacking and killing. Either it is TALIBAN or SELF DEFENSE discussion.
But you are stating GENERALLY, "attacking = killing"! That's what YOU said.
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