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Jin Saga

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:11 am


Voldemort point two
Jin Saga
Now I got more Mistakes... better yet I got plenty.. and Im talking about the small ones.. like calling a Fish a Whale.. but still if your Book is perfection? he should not carry this kind of mistakes.

Now the Koran.. doesnt have this 3nodding

The Qur'an, however, doesn't know what Christians believe. wink

I'm not going to waste my time throwing pearls before swines. (You have read that phrase before, right?)

If you'd read the Bible, you'd know all of these references to Jesus being God.


Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last)

Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer)
2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by His self alone)
John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things)

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.

John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM He, you will die in your sins.”

John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.”

John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?”

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood)
Revelation 1:5,6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us)

Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men.

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ

Hebrews 1:8,9 - But to the Son He (God) says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”

2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.”


The Koran knows what the Christians believe.. again.. a False Lie...
If you have read the Koran,, you would have know.
The koran talks about Christianity.. Curious.. read it.. maybe u will find info stare

and please. dont try to use quote of the bible to prove im wrong.. because I only used ur BIBLE to prove the BIBLE itself is wrong.
therefor and I have said this plenty of times before. and U can continue posting the Verses all u want.. but its AN UNRELIABLE BOOK!
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:14 am


You really are stupid, aren't you? You just told me to quote verses that say Jesus is God, and then when I do, you ignore them? The god of this age has blinded you.

And, no, if you'd read Spike Zantren's rant, you'd know that the Qur'an says Christians worship Mary as a goddess, which we don't.

Voldemort point two


Jin Saga

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:15 am


And Again more Mistakes 3nodding

1. God is satisfied with his works
"God saw all that he made, and it was very good." [Gen 1:31]

God is dissatisfied with his works.

"The Lord was grieved that he had made man on earth, and his heart was filled with pain." [Gen 6:6]

2. God dwells in chosen temples

"the LORD appeared to him at night and said: "I have heard your prayer and have chosen this place for myself as a temple of sacrifices.....I have chosen and consecrated this temple so that my Name may be there forever. My eyes and my heart will always be there." [2 Chr 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples

"However, the Most High does not live in houses made by men." [Acts 7:48]

3. God dwells in light
"who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light whom no one has seen or can see." [1 Tim 6:16]

God dwells in darkness

"Then spake Solomon. The Lord said that he would dwell in the thick darkness" [1 Kings 8:12]

4. God is seen and heard [Ex 33:23 / Ex 33:11 / Gen 3:9,10 / Gen 32:30 / Is 6:1 / Ex 24:9-11]

God is invisible and cannot be heard [John 1:18 / John 5:37 / Ex 33:20 / 1 Tim 6:16]

5. God is tired and rests

"In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed." [Ex 31:17]
God is never tired and never rests

"The everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary." [Is 40:28]

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:17 am


Voldemort point two
You really are stupid, aren't you? You just told me to quote verses that say Jesus is God, and then when I do, you ignore them? The god of this age has blinded you.

And, no, if you'd read Spike Zantren's rant, you'd know that the Qur'an says Christians worship Mary as a goddess, which we don't.


No my friend.. Im not ignoring them as I a mather of Fact. im proving them wrong Like I said before start readng my Post and stop using the Language excuse.. I proved u wrong again.. get used to it.. I havent even started yet
You wanted to DEBATE! then START Answering. stare

Jin Saga


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:18 am


dude listen ok im not trying to be mean seriousley but your muslim so of course you find mistakes in the christian bible and christians could find mistakes in the qu'ran but its pointless to try cause if you believe something your not gonna wanna find mistakes so you dont now please we need t ostop this its rediculous this happened a long time ago how does anyone know for sure? we need to agree to disagree seriousley i mean if i had a quaran or what ever id read it all and except it cause im like that i except all religions because it could all be true or it could all be false idk you dont now only they know sso lets stop this discussion here and now what do you say to keep amends?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:21 am


rofl

I just reread your things. Which site are you getting them from? Because you're defending the Bible. Just read them through, and give me the site. I'm pretty sure it's a Christian one.

As to your light/darkness thing:
Both are quite obviously metaphors, and should not be taken too literally. But why such opposing metaphors? Actually, both describe the idea that God is physically unapproachable and are thus, in some sense, in harmony. I would say that Paul (the author of 1 Timothy) is expressing God's unapproachability in a more positive light, due to the arrival of Jesus.

Your seen/heard thing:

God the Father, as He exists in His spiritual form, cannot be directly seen or heard. But God the Father can manifest Himself into a form which can be seen and heard. He did this on several occasions in the Old Testament, leading to the claims of those who had seen Him. He also did this, in the form of Jesus Christ, in the New Testament.
Also, the Romans 1:20 passage is speaking about how things in nature are evidence of God, so it doesn't directly relate to the question.

And the Job passage is something being said by Zophar in a discussion with Job, and not all things being said by people in the Bible are necessarily fact (like when Peter denied knowing Jesus, even though he did).

Not a contradiction.

Your "tired and rests" thing:
The passage in Genesis is quite obviously speaking of God finishing the process of creation and doing no further. It does not imply that God was tired or weary. Not a contradiction.

Voldemort point two


Voldemort point two

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:23 am


Sorry, missed the first one off. That just proves you haven't read the whole Bible. You need to read between those events; something happened to make God dissatisfied with His creation. The Fall.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:28 am


More Mistakes stare

6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things [Prov 15:3 / Ps 139:7-10 / Job 34:22,21]
God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things

I got more want them?

Jin Saga


Jin Saga

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:31 am


Voldemort point two
rofl

I just reread your things. Which site are you getting them from? Because you're defending the Bible. Just read them through, and give me the site. I'm pretty sure it's a Christian one.

As to your light/darkness thing:
Both are quite obviously metaphors, and should not be taken too literally. But why such opposing metaphors? Actually, both describe the idea that God is physically unapproachable and are thus, in some sense, in harmony. I would say that Paul (the author of 1 Timothy) is expressing God's unapproachability in a more positive light, due to the arrival of Jesus.

Your seen/heard thing:

God the Father, as He exists in His spiritual form, cannot be directly seen or heard. But God the Father can manifest Himself into a form which can be seen and heard. He did this on several occasions in the Old Testament, leading to the claims of those who had seen Him. He also did this, in the form of Jesus Christ, in the New Testament.
Also, the Romans 1:20 passage is speaking about how things in nature are evidence of God, so it doesn't directly relate to the question.

And the Job passage is something being said by Zophar in a discussion with Job, and not all things being said by people in the Bible are necessarily fact (like when Peter denied knowing Jesus, even though he did).

Not a contradiction.

Your "tired and rests" thing:
The passage in Genesis is quite obviously speaking of God finishing the process of creation and doing no further. It does not imply that God was tired or weary. Not a contradiction.


Oke Listen Im in debate with you I dont hate Christianity?..
So I also post The Good things..Your a real joke u know that?.
Im not trying like you.. to break ur Religion. I know the Truth ur the one with the mistakes.

my Point is there are mistakes in the bible..

Im not posting all the negative.. that would be sneeky of me.. wouldnt it?

Sorry not all people are like you wink
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:32 am


blondiehotline
dude listen ok im not trying to be mean seriousley but your muslim so of course you find mistakes in the christian bible and christians could find mistakes in the qu'ran but its pointless to try cause if you believe something your not gonna wanna find mistakes so you dont now please we need t ostop this its rediculous this happened a long time ago how does anyone know for sure? we need to agree to disagree seriousley i mean if i had a quaran or what ever id read it all and except it cause im like that i except all religions because it could all be true or it could all be false idk you dont now only they know sso lets stop this discussion here and now what do you say to keep amends?


Uhm.. Sorry but the Fact that im muslim has nothing to do with it..
the Bible is just full of mistakes.. if you know any mistake in the Koran let me know. wink

Jin Saga


Jin Saga

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:35 am


blondiehotline
dude listen ok im not trying to be mean seriousley but your muslim so of course you find mistakes in the christian bible and christians could find mistakes in the qu'ran but its pointless to try cause if you believe something your not gonna wanna find mistakes so you dont now please we need t ostop this its rediculous this happened a long time ago how does anyone know for sure? we need to agree to disagree seriousley i mean if i had a quaran or what ever id read it all and except it cause im like that i except all religions because it could all be true or it could all be false idk you dont now only they know sso lets stop this discussion here and now what do you say to keep amends?


and also.. I accept all Religions.. I dont hate.
I Respect Christianity. Jewish. Boedha.. All Religions.

My Point is There are Mistakes in the bible.. he disagrees with me.. so I proved him wrong.. still he disagree's ..if he stops this useless discussion.. Ill stop too.. untill then ill continue on.
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:37 am


Now I know he's Surfing on the internet trying to find black spots about Islam xd

But.. still he hasnt read the Koran.. so actually he has no right to discuss about this with me..since he's not a challenge.. nor Discuss worthy ( refering to religion discussions ).

Ive read the Bible So I know what I talk about. 3nodding

Jin Saga


Jin Saga

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:49 am


Also My Christian Friend. Explain this to me
According to you.. Not your Bible.. to You and many other Christians
Jesus Is God.. well lets say The Bible also says Jesus is God.. and I repeat.
" Lets Say "

Then tell me this.

How come.. Jesus Prayed with his people to God.
He learned them how to Pray,, and then he Prayed with them to God.

. . . ?
PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:24 am


I GOT THE GREATEST PROVE THAT WILL SHUT YOUR MOUTH FOR EVER AND DON'T YOU TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND THE PROVE IS AT NOAH'S ARK


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This photo is for Noah's ship after a group had found it and they found that the ship's age is more than 100000 years , the group says it was on a mountain called Joudi at Turkey , and your Bible said it was on a mountain called Ararat , and of course the group which was searching was a Christian group and of course used the Bible to get to the ship but they failed and they failed more when they searched at Quran which said it's at Turkey on Joudi so the Quran never made mistake at saying where is the ship's place and that's one miracle proves that Islam is the true religion , I got here the Quran which says so , but I can't translate it crying , so gonna shut up or change the subject or say the devil moved it there ?

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The_Pathan
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:19 am


Dear people. Don't talk bad please.

Be respectful to everyone and every religion smile

muslims and christians are family 3nodding
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