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 Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:44 pm
Jin Saga More Mistakes stare 6. God is everywhere present, sees and knows all things [Prov 15:3 / Ps 139:7-10 / Job 34:22,21] God is not everywhere present, neither sees nor knows all things I got more want them? You're getting most of your stuff off a Christian site, so it doesn't really matter. God is all-seeing and omnipresent. In Genesis 3, the assumption is that, if God is all-seeing, He wouldn't have had to ask Adam where he was. But what God was doing was giving Adam a chance to confess, the same way a parent who knows their child has broken a rule would ask them if they broke it before accusing them. Not a contradiction. In the other two instances, we need to understand God 'coming (or going) down' in other terms. God sees all that happens, but only occasionally involves Himself in human situations. These passages are describing His involvement, so this is how the author is describing them. Not a contradiction. @Egyptian: It didn't say the mountain was called Ararat, it said the Ark landed in the mountain S of Ararat. The land of Ararat is also described in the Bible. And the kingdom of Ararat. (They're the same thing) From the context it's used in the Bible, I'd guess Ararat is in or near modern Turkey. It's a common Christian misconception that the mountain was called Ararat. That's why it's important to listen to what the Bible says, not what self-proclaimed Christians say. This website phrases it much better: Quote: The name “Ararat” is mentioned four times in the Bible's original manuscripts (Gen. 8:4; 2 Kings 19:37; Isaiah 37:38; Jer. 51:27). This was the name of a country. On one of its mountains Noah's ark rested after the Flood subsided (Gen. 8:4). Most researchers believe that the “mountains” mentioned were probably the Kurdish range of South Armenia in Turkey. In the King James Bible, 2 Kings 19:37 and Isa. 37:38 translate the word “Ararat” as “Armenia.” However, other versions, including the New King James Version, simply say “land of Ararat.” (Source: http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/ararat.html) So, it wasn't the Bible that made the mistake, it was the stupid people reading it that did. To quote the band mewithoutYou: "The truth belonged to God, the mistakes were mine." Jin Saga How come.. Jesus Prayed with his people to God. He learned them how to Pray,, and then he Prayed with them to God. Quote: Jesus laid aside His glory and took on the mantle of flesh (Philippians 2:5- cool and while He wore that mantle, He was obedient to the Father. Why did Jesus pray? Jesus prayed because of His dependence upon and His obedience to the Father. Jesus said, "I can of Mine own Self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and My judgment is just; because I seek not Mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent Me" (John 5:30). Therefore, Jesus was in complete submission to the Father. It's part of understanding the Trinity, which is something impossible to do. Jesus is God, but He is not God the Father. However they're still the same God. It's like two sides of the same coin, except there are three sides to the Trinity. I can't pretend to understand it. Jin Saga Ive read the Bible So I know what I talk about. I actually lol'd. You're pretending priests have anything to do with Christianity, you're also taking things completely out of context. You might have read it, but did you actually take it in, or just read it so you could say you were being open-minded?
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:00 pm
Jin Saga Also My Christian Friend. Explain this to me According to you.. Not your Bible.. to You and many other Christians Jesus Is God.. well lets say The Bible also says Jesus is God.. and I repeat. " Lets Say " Then tell me this. How come.. Jesus Prayed with his people to God. He learned them how to Pray,, and then he Prayed with them to God. . . . ? wait wait wait since when did jesus become god he is not hes the son of god who said that?
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:08 pm
blondiehotline Jin Saga Also My Christian Friend. Explain this to me According to you.. Not your Bible.. to You and many other Christians Jesus Is God.. well lets say The Bible also says Jesus is God.. and I repeat. " Lets Say " Then tell me this. How come.. Jesus Prayed with his people to God. He learned them how to Pray,, and then he Prayed with them to God. . . . ? wait wait wait since when did jesus become god he is not hes the son of god who said that? Ack. Read your Bible? Jesus is God, go and read the list of verses I posted. You're really not helping in the debate, by the way. There's a thing called the Trinity. It's complicated, but it's all explained in the Bible. Read at least some of it before comenting on something you know nothing about? Here's an article explaining the concept: http://www.bible-knowledge.com/Trinity-God-Jesus-Holy-Spirit.html
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:02 pm
first did you even see the post which I sent , second how can you Christians don't agree if Jesus is god or son of god ????????????????????????????
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:17 pm
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER first did you even see the post which I sent , second how can you Christians don't agree if Jesus is god or son of god ???????????????????????????? The post. You, my friend, obviously didn't read my post, did you? I'll quote myself again. as I @Egyptian: It didn't say the mountain was called Ararat, it said the Ark landed in the mountain S of Ararat. The land of Ararat is also described in the Bible. And the kingdom of Ararat. (They're the same thing) From the context it's used in the Bible, I'd guess Ararat is in or near modern Turkey. It's a common Christian misconception that the mountain was called Ararat. That's why it's important to listen to what the Bible says, not what self-proclaimed Christians say. This website phrases it much better: Quote: The name “Ararat” is mentioned four times in the Bible's original manuscripts (Gen. 8:4; 2 Kings 19:37; Isaiah 37:38; Jer. 51:27). This was the name of a country. On one of its mountains Noah's ark rested after the Flood subsided (Gen. 8:4). Most researchers believe that the “mountains” mentioned were probably the Kurdish range of South Armenia in Turkey. In the King James Bible, 2 Kings 19:37 and Isa. 37:38 translate the word “Ararat” as “Armenia.” However, other versions, including the New King James Version, simply say “land of Ararat.” (Source: http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/ararat.html) So, it wasn't the Bible that made the mistake, it was the stupid people reading it that did. To quote the band mewithoutYou: "The truth belonged to God, the mistakes were mine." I'd also like to repeat the thing about it not being the Bible that makes the mistake, but the stupid people reading it. I could call myself a Muslim and say any lies I liked about Islam. It wouldn't make me a Muslim, it wouldn't make my lies any less true, and it wouldn't make Islam any less true. I'm not saying that blondiehotline isn't a Christian, I'm saying that she obviously hasn't read the Bible at all. No offense, blondiehotline, but read my link on the Trinity and maybe you'll understand what Christians believe. Jesus. Is. God.
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 2:32 pm
I'd also like to point out that I Google'd the first line of one of the articles you copied and pasted. (That's plagerism, by the way, if you don't acknowledge that it wasn't your own work.) Guess what's written in big letters at the bottom?
We at True Life and FEBC affirm God’s forever infallible and inerrant, 100% inspired and 100% preserved words. There are no mistakes in the Bible!
I laughed for nearly ten minutes when I found that, actually.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:01 am
blondiehotline Jin Saga Also My Christian Friend. Explain this to me According to you.. Not your Bible.. to You and many other Christians Jesus Is God.. well lets say The Bible also says Jesus is God.. and I repeat. " Lets Say " Then tell me this. How come.. Jesus Prayed with his people to God. He learned them how to Pray,, and then he Prayed with them to God. . . . ? wait wait wait since when did jesus become god he is not hes the son of god who said that? LOOLLL See VOld.. I Rest my Case cool and you will NEVER EVER Find in the Bible.. That Jesus Says " I am God " And Also.. I need to say this and Im sorry If this is hard. But you're a Disgrace.. I already told you. you keep lying lying.. avoiding.. using bible verses while I already proved u wrong. and the BIBLE MISTAKES>> Are not from a Christian Site. So That Means Christians the High Collage one Prove.. and Admit The Bible has Mistake AND THEN YOU>>> AND LITTLE BOY>>>> 15 YEARS OLD>>> GIVE US A BIGH MOUTH>>> WHILE YOU KNOW >>>> NOTHING >>> NOTHING AT ALL ABOUT UR RELIGION>>> WHICH YOU CAN NOT EVEN DEFEND!!!. Also... And This Is Final. More Mistakes cool
7. God knows the hearts of men [Acts 1:24 / Ps 139:2,3]
God tries men to find out what is in their heart
"Do not lay a hand on the boy," he said. "Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God." [Gen 22:12]
8. God is all powerful [Jer 32:27 / Matt 19:26]
God is not all powerful
"The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had iron chariots." [Judg 1:19]
9. God is unchangeable [James 1:17 / Mal 3:6 / Ezek 24:14 / Num 23:19]
God is changeable [Gen 6:6 / Jonah 3:10 / 1 Sam 2:30,31 / 2 Kings 20:1,4,5,6 / Ex 33:1,3,17,14]
10. God is just and impartial
"To declare that the LORD is upright; He is my rock and there is no unrighteousness in him." [Ps 92:15]
"Far be it from Thee to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from Thee! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?" [Gen 18:25]
"The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He." [Deut 32:4]
"Yet you say, "The way of the LORD is not right." Here now, O house of Israel! Is My way not right? Is it not your ways that are not right?" [Ezek 18:25]
"For there is no partiality with God." [Rom 2:11]
God is unjust and partial
"So he said, Cursed be Canaan; A servant of servants He shall be to his brothers." [Gen 9:25]
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:07 am
12. God is to be found by those who seek him [Matt 7:8 / Prov 8:17]
God is not to be found by those who seek him [Prov 1:28]
13. God is warlike [Ex 15:3 / Is 51:15]
God is peaceful [Rom 15:33 / 1 Cor 14:33]
14. God is cruel, unmerciful, destructive, and ferocious [Jer 13:14 / Deut 7:16 / 1 Sam 15:2,3 / 1 Sam 6:19]
God is kind, merciful, and good [James 5:11 / Lam 3:33 / 1 Chron 16:34 / Ezek 18:32 / Ps 145:9 / 1 Tim 2:4 / 1 John 4:16 / Ps 25:8]
15. God's anger is fierce and endures long [Num 32:13 / Num 25:4 / Jer 17:4]
God's anger is slow and endures but for a minute [Ps 103:8 / Ps 30:5]
16. God commands, approves of, and delights in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days [Ex 29:36 / Lev 23:27 / Ex 29:18 / Lev 1:9]
God disapproves of and has no pleasure in burnt offerings, sacrifices, and holy days [Jer 7:22 / Jer 6:20 / Ps 50:13,4 / Is 1:13,11,12]
17. God accepts human sacrifices [2 Sam 21:8,9,14 / Gen 22:2 / Judg 11:30-32,34,38,39]
God forbids human sacrifice [Deut 12:30,31]
18. God tempts men [Gen 22:1 / 2 Sam 24:1 / Jer 20:7 / Matt 6:13]
God tempts no man [James 1:13]
19. God cannot lie [Heb 6:18]
God lies by proxy; he sends forth lying spirits to deceive [2 Thes 2:11 / 1 Kings 22:23 / Ezek 14:9]
20. Because of man's wickedness God destroys him [Gen 6:5,7]
Because of man's wickedness God will not destroy him [Gen 8:21]
21. God's attributes are revealed in his works [Rom 1:20]
God's attributes cannot be discovered [Job 11:7 / Is 40:28]
22. There is but one God [Deut 6:4]
There is a plurality of gods [Gen 1:26 / Gen 3:22 / Gen 18:1-3 / 1 John 5:7]
23. Robbery commanded [Ex 3:21,22 / Ex 12:35,36]
Robbery forbidden [Lev 19:13 / Ex 20:15]
24. Lying approved and sanctioned [Josh 2:4-6 / James 2:25 / Ex 1:18-20 / 1 Kings 22:21,22]
Lying forbidden [Ex 20:16 / Prov 12:22 / Rev 21:8]
25. Hatred to the Edomite sanctioned [2 Kings 14:7,3]
Hatred to the Edomite forbidden [Deut 23:7]
26. Killing commanded [Ex 32:27]
Killing forbidden [Ex 20:13]
27. The blood-shedder must die [Gen 9:5,6]
The blood-shedder must not die [Gen 4:15]
28. The making of images forbidden [Ex 20:4]
The making of images commanded [Ex 25:18,20]
29. Slavery and oppression ordained [Gen 9:25 / Lev 25:45,46 / Joel 3:8]
Slavery and oppression forbidden [Is 58:6 / Ex 22:21 / Ex 21:16 / Matt 23:10]
My Christians Friend.. Do You Want More?
Because You Have Already Been Proving Wrong.. Like 1,2,6,,15..Times smile
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:17 am
EGYPTIAN 4 EVER I GOT THE GREATEST PROVE THAT WILL SHUT YOUR MOUTH FOR EVER AND DON'T YOU TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND THE PROVE IS AT NOAH'S ARK This photo is for Noah's ship after a group had found it and they found that the ship's age is more than 100000 years , the group says it was on a mountain called Joudi at Turkey , and your Bible said it was on a mountain called Ararat , and of course the group which was searching was a Christian group and of course used the Bible to get to the ship but they failed and they failed more when they searched at Quran which said it's at Turkey on Joudi so the Quran never made mistake at saying where is the ship's place and that's one miracle proves that Islam is the true religion , I got here the Quran which says so , but I can't translate it crying , so gonna shut up or change the subject or say the devil moved it there ? Nice. Hesham smile
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:22 am
blondiehotline.. Dont listen to Vold.
The Bible does not state. " Jesus Is God "
There's one line in the Bible.. Where Jesus tells the Jews. I came before Abraham. after he said that.. they threw rocks at him and he ran away > According to The Bible ( Which is not a Reliable Book ).
Anyway, The bible says " I have send you down my Son ( Jesus ) for him to free you. "
So Jesus has a Father. > God.
Jesus Also Says
" Do Good, and I will guide you to the Paradise of my Father "
Clearly.. Jesus is according to your Bible the Son of God.. and His Father = God.
Its Simple as that.
However Christians still disagree on this subject.. because they dont read their Bible.. like Vond.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:02 am
Alrght then, I'm going to stop now. I stated my argument against your "ark" story twice now. You need to listen to the Bible, not the Christians, because we're human and we make mistakes. Using Bible verses when you already proved me wrong? I used Bible verses to tell you that you're wrong about the Bible. I'm not sure if it's because you're a Muslim and therefore you brainwash yourself, or if it's because you're just a crap debator. Either way, I'm not going to waste my time throwing pearls before swines. As Jesus (who, according to the Bible, is God. Just look at the list of verses I posted. And the thing about the Trinity.) said: Matthew 7:6 Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces. Just don't say I didn't warn you.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:02 am
Jin Saga EGYPTIAN 4 EVER I GOT THE GREATEST PROVE THAT WILL SHUT YOUR MOUTH FOR EVER AND DON'T YOU TRY TO CHANGE THE SUBJECT AND THE PROVE IS AT NOAH'S ARK This photo is for Noah's ship after a group had found it and they found that the ship's age is more than 100000 years , the group says it was on a mountain called Joudi at Turkey , and your Bible said it was on a mountain called Ararat , and of course the group which was searching was a Christian group and of course used the Bible to get to the ship but they failed and they failed more when they searched at Quran which said it's at Turkey on Joudi so the Quran never made mistake at saying where is the ship's place and that's one miracle proves that Islam is the true religion , I got here the Quran which says so , but I can't translate it crying , so gonna shut up or change the subject or say the devil moved it there ? Nice. Hesham smile You're funny. I already proved this wrong twice, and you didn't even tell me I was wrong. That suggests you didn't read it, don't you think?
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:25 am
Another post from Spike: Spike Zantren
I read the debate and I laughed so hard at each of their posts. They don't listen to reason. They say the Koran is perfect, but that's because they don't realize the contradictions in the Quran. And I don't blame them, because the Quran is ordered in such a foolish way that trying to find contradictions takes a lot of study.
They quote websites, you can find plenty of websites detailing the contradictions and scientific blunders of the Quran.
http://www.rim.org/muslim/quranproblems.htm
Also, the Quran is not unchanged from when it was written, as Muslims claim: http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Text/
They claim the Bible calls Mohammed a true prophet- another lie. Muslims like to take verses that refer to the coming Messiah and say it's talking about Mohammed when it's clearly referring to Jesus. And why should they care? They believe the Bible is corrupted anyway. If the Bible claims that Mohammed was a true prophet, then the corrupted Bible must be wrong! These poor fools have no sense of reality or common sense. I'd like to know who taught them how to read and understand literature.2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (King James Version) And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
Click. On. The. Links. wink
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:28 am
1. Creation: The biblical Genesis account says God created all in six days (see Genesis 1:1 - 2:2). The Quran, however, has a real problem here as Surah 41:9, 10, 12 have a total of eight days of creation (4+2+2=8 ) Meanwhile, Surah 10:3 gives the total number of days of creation as six. This is a problem of self-contradiction.
2. Pharaoh: According to the Quran (Surah 7:120-125) Pharaoh used crucifixion in dealing with the sorcerers - a practice which historical evidence gives no precedent to before the Babylonian Empire. This is once again a problem of historical compression.
3. The Golden Calf: According to the Quran (Surah 20:90-100)a Samaritan helped the Israelites build the golden calf, and it mooed after coming out of the fire. In reality, Samaritans did not exist as a people until at least 1000 years after the time of the Moses and the Israelite exodus from Egypt. Again a problem of historical compression.
4. Judaism: According to the Quran (Surah 9:30) the Jews believe that Ezra is the Son of God - the Messiah. This never has been a tenet of Judaism. This is a clear problem of distorted knowledge of other religions and historical fact.
5. Alexander the Great: According to the Quran (Surah 18:89-98 ) Alexander the Great was a devout Muslim and lived to a ripe old age. Historical records however show that Alexander the Great died young at 33 years of age (b. 356 B.C. - d. 323 B.C.), and believed he was divine, forcing others to recognize him as such. In India on the Hyphasis River (now Beas) Alexander erected twelve altars to twelve Olympian gods. Once again the Quran shows errors in historical and religious fact.
6. The Trinity: According to the Quran (Surah 5:116, 5:73-75) the Christians believe in "three Gods" - Father, Mother, and Son. This shows the influence of heretical 'Christian' sects in central Arabia at the time of Muhammad. In contrast, Christianity has always distinctly stated that the Trinity is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The teaching of the Quran on the Trinity has undoubtedly led to confusion among many Muslims on what the Bible (and thus Christianity) teaches about the Triune God.
7. Mary: According to the Quran (Surah 19:28, 3:33-36), Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the daughter of Imran or Amram, the father of Moses and Aaron. Mary is also said to be the sister of Moses and Aaron. Clearly Muhammad confused Mary with Miriam.
A second interesting point about Mary is the story of the date palm speaking and offering its fruit to her (Surah 19:23). This legend is easily traced to similar legends found in the apocryphal "Protoevangelium of James" the "Pseudo-Matthew" and "the Gospel of the Nativity of Mary" all of which have been dated to the fourth to sixth centuries, and were again believed by the sects found in Arabia. (More indepth information on Quranic sources may be found in Rev. W. St. Clair Tisdall's The Religion of the Crescent).
I have plenty more.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:41 am
Jin Saga Jesus Also Says " Do Good, and I will guide you to the Paradise of my Father " Verse reference?
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