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 Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:46 pm
Captain Verd Your opinion is also a guess. The blades could extract any type of elemental chakra; it didn't say. Also, Naruto went to Asuma, not the other way around D: No, it isn't. gonk I just proved it. I even told you what page it was on. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:48 pm
Nephite Warrior Shikalee Captain Verd Shikalee Nephite Warrior actually, Naruto asked Kakashi if there was anybody else in the village who had Wind element and Kakashi said there was one other person, and it ended up being Asuma I don't think they know everything, though. Besides, explain how else it would work. Some "shadow" element? gonk None of the other of the five would work with such a blade. Maybe it's just general chakra stuffs. Water could work, lightning is popular with the angst bucket boys... I think a lot of assuming is going on. The shadow doesn't look like any of the five elements. The only clue we have is the blades. Asuma told Naruto that the blades are 'Chakra Blades' or something like that....he never said they are 'wind chakra blades'...........so chances are, they are blades that when you focus chakra into them, it makes them better GUYS, I QUOTED IT. I PROVED IT. WHY ARGUE AGAINST PROOF? gonk He specifically said they're designed for wind chakra. gonk And, yes he did. I posted the page and chapter it was on.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 4:51 pm
liz_bliz Shikalee Captain Verd I understand that Asuma uses wind chakra with his blades, but that doesn't mean they're wind chakra blades. When he was explaining them to Naruto, he said that without channeling any of your own chakra, they're just regular blades. Asuma had to make his own wind chakra into a hardened edge extending from the blade in order for them to do any real damage. The wind thingy is his own, not the blades. If he were any other type of element chakra user, he would have to fashion the chakra into an edge regardless.Just someone get some goddamn proof. I posted mine, which suggests the blades use wind chakra. For the next 3 panels he's talking about wind. Any of your own -> WIND chakra. He knows Naruto has wind. It's the only reason he would come to him. The blade actually helps you do that. It clearly extracted the chakra from Naruto on it's own. Prove the bolded statement. It's just a guess. If you guys remember right, it was explained that different chakras natures have different attribute, the wind, a highly battle offensive type, was turbulent and was a 'sharp' charka, having a jagged look and feel to it when being used. Look at the chakra while being used through the blades by Asumaand Naruto, it was wild, sharp and jagged, as well as light colored, I would guess that if it was in color, it would have been yellowish. However, when Shikamaru uses the blades, his chakra is far different, it is globy, with a molten or liquid appearance to it, and is darker in color. This makes me think either water or fire. Fire could be a play on the fact that beneath his outer calm, he has a inner turnbulent or fire passion. Or the water could be a direct representative of his laid back, go with the flow, calm nature. I personally will go with the later (water based), though fire would be my next guess. I figured out why it was globby. Naruto's chakra was as well. This was because of inexperience with the blade. My point is now that chakra shouldn't be black. Unless there is a "darkness" nature or something. But people debated (outside of this thread) that chakra is blue, no matter its element. Are you saying Shikamaru is passionate? He really isn't. That's why he is at such a loss socially. He cannot be compassionate with feelings of others as much. For instance, he was totally harsh with Sakura before leaving to rescue Sasuke. His rudeness set her off and made her cry. He felt no remorse. Chakra nature does not represent one's mental nature. As much. Shikamaru, if you had to compare his nature to his personality, would be earth; no debate.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:51 pm
Shikalee GUYS, I QUOTED IT. I PROVED IT. WHY ARGUE AGAINST PROOF? gonk He specifically said they're designed for wind chakra. gonk And, yes he did. I posted the page and chapter it was on. Your quote was in Japanese, and you didn't even bother to put it all together D: Anyways, they work best with wind chakra, but that doesn't mean they are wind chakra blades. Sasuke's sword isn't a lightning sword, but he can channel lightning through it, see?
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 5:52 pm
Shikalee Are you saying Shikamaru is passionate? He really isn't. That's why he is at such a loss socially. He cannot be compassionate with feelings of others as much. For instance, he was totally harsh with Sakura before leaving to rescue Sasuke. His rudeness set her off and made her cry. He felt no remorse. Chakra nature does not represent one's mental nature. As much. Shikamaru, if you had to compare his nature to his personality, would be earth; no debate. Shikamaru was passionate when they were fighting Zaku and friends during the chuunin exams. Also, saying what kind of element he would be based on his personality is entirely opinion, and is open for debate.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:27 pm
Shikalee Are you saying Shikamaru is passionate? He really isn't. That's why he is at such a loss socially. He cannot be compassionate with feelings of others as much. For instance, he was totally harsh with Sakura before leaving to rescue Sasuke. His rudeness set her off and made her cry. He felt no remorse. Chakra nature does not represent one's mental nature. As much. Shikamaru, if you had to compare his nature to his personality, would be earth; no debate. Where are you getting this from? Shikamaru doesn't seem to have any social problems to me -- he can be a bit of a smartass, but he's been shown to get along relatively easily with Chouji, Ino, Naruto, Temari, Asuma and Tsunade, at least. Also, Shikamaru has been shown to be very compassionate. He felt strongly for Chouji getting picked on; when he was in the hospital and Gaara attacked Lee, he tried to stop it, despite knowing that Gaara was pretty much an unstoppable monster; he volunteered to stay behind and do the ambush when he, Naruto and Sakura were chasing Gaara; he cried at the end of the "rescue Sasuke" mission because he felt personally responsible for the injuries of the others. If he didn't feel compassion for them, why would he beat himself up over it? As for the chakra type thing... I think we're probably just going to have to wait and see, since nobody seems able to agree on this. wink
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:32 pm
Captain Verd Shikalee GUYS, I QUOTED IT. I PROVED IT. WHY ARGUE AGAINST PROOF? gonk He specifically said they're designed for wind chakra. gonk And, yes he did. I posted the page and chapter it was on. Your quote was in Japanese, and you didn't even bother to put it all together D: Anyways, they work best with wind chakra, but that doesn't mean they are wind chakra blades. Sasuke's sword isn't a lightning sword, but he can channel lightning through it, see? My bad. I'll get a translation soon. I can't fully translate it on my own. He didn't say best, though... Chakra can be channeled through anything. But not all weapons pull your chakra out (when Naruto grabbed the knife he was surprised by how it pulled his Chakra to it). @ Other post by Verd: Wait, how so? He was scared shitless, but... >_>; Oh, and the anime is different than the manga. I don't want to debate it, then... it's his word against mine, and that's just going to upset people, rather than progress.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:37 pm
mofoslotmachine Shikalee Are you saying Shikamaru is passionate? He really isn't. That's why he is at such a loss socially. He cannot be compassionate with feelings of others as much. For instance, he was totally harsh with Sakura before leaving to rescue Sasuke. His rudeness set her off and made her cry. He felt no remorse. Chakra nature does not represent one's mental nature. As much. Shikamaru, if you had to compare his nature to his personality, would be earth; no debate. Where are you getting this from? Shikamaru doesn't seem to have any social problems to me -- he can be a bit of a smartass, but he's been shown to get along relatively easily with Chouji, Ino, Naruto, Temari, Asuma and Tsunade, at least. Also, Shikamaru has been shown to be very compassionate. He felt strongly for Chouji getting picked on; when he was in the hospital and Gaara attacked Lee, he tried to stop it, despite knowing that Gaara was pretty much an unstoppable monster; he volunteered to stay behind and do the ambush when he, Naruto and Sakura were chasing Gaara; he cried at the end of the "rescue Sasuke" mission because he felt personally responsible for the injuries of the others. If he didn't feel compassion for them, why would he beat himself up over it? As for the chakra type thing... I think we're probably just going to have to wait and see, since nobody seems able to agree on this. wink He's rather introverted. I don't know why everyone showers him with such praise for things he hasn't done. He was a loner until he met Chouji. He's made more friends but he still isn't all that social. Tsunade is his superior, his boss. So that relationship is different. Not in the way obsessive girls like you want him to be loving, compassionate, romantic, with huge pulses of emotion booming through him. He just plain doesn't feel that way. And protecting Lee doesn't make him any more, how do you say, "writhing with intense emotion." Shikamaru cried for his friends. Yes. He loves his friends. But he isn't a ball of emotion like Naruto, either. I think anyone would have cried with joy, sadness, and colliding emotions in his position. Hell, I've been in situations somewhat similar, and I didn't cry (because no one was dying), but I felt quite emotional. I'm not saying because I do everyone does, but what Shikamaru went through was rather intense. He does have some compassion. Did I say none? Sorry, that was wrong. What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this emotional... I don't know. Violently emotional romantic man. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very charming (in my opinion). I agree. No one has absolute proof, I guess (though I consider the Japanese the hardest proof of all; too bad no one can completely read it).
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:45 pm
The whole team was scared when they fought Zaku and friends, but he still went in "YES MA'AM", and made Dosu do a retarded dance, and seemed very passionate about doing what he could during the fight.
WHy do you keep calling people obsessive Shikamaru fans? As far as I know, you're the only one here who's an obsessive fan of his sad
Shikamaru crying for his friends can be considered more compassionate than the average ninja. Temari herself said he shouldn't be crying, considering the emotions training they went through. The only other two ninjas we;ve seen cry are Sakura and Naruto, who are both very compassionate.
Also, as I've stated before about the chakra pulling thing, just because it pulls chakra out doesn't mean it pulls wind chakra out. We got past that already.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 6:50 pm
Shikalee He's rather introverted. I don't know why everyone showers him with such praise for things he hasn't done. He was a loner until he met Chouji. He's made more friends but he still isn't all that social. Tsunade is his superior, his boss. So that relationship is different. Not in the way obsessive girls like you want him to be loving, compassionate, romantic, with huge pulses of emotion booming through him. He just plain doesn't feel that way. And protecting Lee doesn't make him any more, how do you say, "writhing with intense emotion." Shikamaru cried for his friends. Yes. He loves his friends. But he isn't a ball of emotion like Naruto, either. I think anyone would have cried with joy, sadness, and colliding emotions in his position. Hell, I've been in situations somewhat similar, and I didn't cry (because no one was dying), but I felt quite emotional. I'm not saying because I do everyone does, but what Shikamaru went through was rather intense. He does have some compassion. Did I say none? Sorry, that was wrong. What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this emotional... I don't know. Violently emotional romantic man. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very charming (in my opinion). I agree. No one has absolute proof, I guess (though I consider the Japanese the hardest proof of all; too bad no one can completely read it). I realise that he's introverted, and I actually didn't say that he wasn't. But introverted and socially awkward aren't the same thing, and there's no proof that Shikamaru is socially awkward. There IS proof to the contrary, however. ...Obsessive girls like me?! When did I even say I liked Shikamaru? sweatdrop I never said he's romantic. I never said he's bursting with emotion. Would you stop putting words in my mouth, please? Well, my main point there was that most of the "rescue Sasuke" team weren't really close friends to him. So for him to be crying with guilt because of their injuries signifies that he is at least compassionate to the suffering of others. That was my only point. Okay, well how about this: What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this unemotional... I don't know. Cold, clinical, unemotional robot. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very intelligent and laidback (in my opinion).
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:53 pm
Captain Verd The whole team was scared when they fought Zaku and friends, but he still went in "YES MA'AM", and made Dosu do a retarded dance, and seemed very passionate about doing what he could during the fight. WHy do you keep calling people obsessive Shikamaru fans? As far as I know, you're the only one here who's an obsessive fan of his sad Shikamaru crying for his friends can be considered more compassionate than the average ninja. Temari herself said he shouldn't be crying, considering the emotions training they went through. The only other two ninjas we;ve seen cry are Sakura and Naruto, who are both very compassionate. Also, as I've stated before about the chakra pulling thing, just because it pulls chakra out doesn't mean it pulls wind chakra out. We got past that already. Wait, not really. I think he was just doing what he was obligated to do... Though I will say what he did was damn brave. Only people who see him on this silver lining make him sound so damn great... >_>; Even I don't. I suppose. I guess he sticks out more because everyone forgets that Lee cried, too. He gets those two big scenes, so people make a lot of assumptions. I think Temari was being a little insensitive. Shikamaru was also injured; when I'm hurt, I'm fare mot emotional. I will say he has compassion. I take it back if I said none. Nor does it mean it doesn't. :]
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 7:59 pm
mofoslotmachine Shikalee He's rather introverted. I don't know why everyone showers him with such praise for things he hasn't done. He was a loner until he met Chouji. He's made more friends but he still isn't all that social. Tsunade is his superior, his boss. So that relationship is different. Not in the way obsessive girls like you want him to be loving, compassionate, romantic, with huge pulses of emotion booming through him. He just plain doesn't feel that way. And protecting Lee doesn't make him any more, how do you say, "writhing with intense emotion." Shikamaru cried for his friends. Yes. He loves his friends. But he isn't a ball of emotion like Naruto, either. I think anyone would have cried with joy, sadness, and colliding emotions in his position. Hell, I've been in situations somewhat similar, and I didn't cry (because no one was dying), but I felt quite emotional. I'm not saying because I do everyone does, but what Shikamaru went through was rather intense. He does have some compassion. Did I say none? Sorry, that was wrong. What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this emotional... I don't know. Violently emotional romantic man. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very charming (in my opinion). I agree. No one has absolute proof, I guess (though I consider the Japanese the hardest proof of all; too bad no one can completely read it). What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this emotional... I don't know. Violently emotional romantic man. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very charming (in my opinion). I agree. No one has absolute proof, I guess (though I consider the Japanese the hardest proof of all; too bad no one can completely read it). I realise that he's introverted, and I actually didn't say that he wasn't. But introverted and socially awkward aren't the same thing, and there's no proof that Shikamaru is socially awkward. There IS proof to the contrary, however. ...Obsessive girls like me?! When did I even say I liked Shikamaru? sweatdrop I never said he's romantic. I never said he's bursting with emotion. Would you stop putting words in my mouth, please? Well, my main point there was that most of the "rescue Sasuke" team weren't really close friends to him. So for him to be crying with guilt because of their injuries signifies that he is at least compassionate to the suffering of others. That was my only point. Okay, well how about this: What I'm irritated with is that girls (and some guys too, I guess) make him this unemotional... I don't know. Cold, clinical, unemotional robot. But he isn't. That's his point. He isn't, but can still be very intelligent and laidback (in my opinion). Did I say awkward? That was a bad word. For what I was expressing. He just isn't booming with enthusiasm like everyone else. This makes him the guy sitting next to the empty chair at a dance while everyone else is partying (That's a bad example; he would probably never be caught dead at one). Not because he can't get a girl, but because he isn't that sort of person. And I'm curious what proof you have that makes him so social. Define compassion. No, really. Compassion is rather emotional, is it not? It also indicates love. People find this romantic. People shower him with praise; quite fallaciously. They complement the wrong things about him. Practically everything except what is true. I never see anyone impressed with his intelligence. Interests. Ambitions. They bonded through that mission. Shikamaru is friendly with both Naruto and Chouji. Kiba used to actually hate Shikamaru and Neji was very introverted basically until that mission. What? Did you do that on purpose? >_> And why'd you change it to "laid back"?
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:12 pm
I didn't forget about Lee, I was just hoping you'd see my point. ANyways, Lee is also a very emotional person, even moreso than Sakura and Naruto.
Actually, compassion didn't used to indicate love at all. Compassion and passionate used to be used when someone got very fired up about something out of anger or indignation.
Most people who like Shikamaru like him because he's a laid back genius. I've never met a Shikamaru fan who doesn't think that.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:52 pm
Captain Verd I didn't forget about Lee, I was just hoping you'd see my point. ANyways, Lee is also a very emotional person, even moreso than Sakura and Naruto. Actually, compassion didn't used to indicate love at all. Compassion and passionate used to be used when someone got very fired up about something out of anger or indignation. Most people who like Shikamaru like him because he's a laid back genius. I've never met a Shikamaru fan who doesn't think that. Okay? It's current connotation does, therefore, it does. Used to be. Past tense. Yes, I realize words have a root meaning. But they aren't used that way anymore. It's practically irrelevant. They add s**t to him in an attempt to make him, "better." And you just met one. That's not why I like him. Though it is an interesting quality.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 8:58 pm
Just met one? You mean Mofoslotmachine? Because she just said she didn't like Shikamaru, so I don't know what you mean.
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