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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:32 pm
This is my answer to everything:
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:46 pm
Jungle Boots yeah.... the anti-media reporters have been raving about this for years. honestly ive met super models before, none of which were any more attractive than the waitresses at the local party bar. Infact there are old marxist theorists that think that the media along with the prospect of new and amazing products create a world of illusion that veils the truth from the consumer's eyes. That it is all a potent distraction from the reality that the very system that provides this spectacle of imagery and object oppresses them through making them work jobs they hate so they can buy things they dont need. Fight Club is based off these theories. From the things I have read, this has become so ingrained in society that people will often relate real life to the fantasy spin the media makes on it when confronted with the real. ...Er, like, if someone went camping and saw a wild animal and then said "it's just like National Geographic!". ...I also just realized that I may be mixing this together unintentionally with post-modernism... Which is even more confusing. gonk I've read just a little bit from those theorists in one class. It was a light touching of the subject, but it was very interesting. The article I read was by Walter Benjamin on reproduction has changed art. http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm Here it is by the way. I also read a book by Susan Sontage, who compared photography to this Plato's cave idea... thing... It's been a long time since I read all this, so I've forgotten most of it. Strange this is, I've gotten bits and pieces of these things from several different classes. I think I got more of the "get the workers working" part from a class on community. That was just one of the earlier ideas present though. A later idea that came about from Ford was to establish a community were workers actually liked to work for their company and the company treated them well. I think there was one last and more recent idea on this sort of subject, but I don't remember it. It likely had something to do with globalization though. I've rambled off about a lot of things here. sweatdrop Also, I never saw fight club. I just thought it was funny that they had what looked like a soap bar -on the ground- as an advertisement for it. Sure, it was sometimes held and and in a dish...but it still looked like someone dropped the soap. xd
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:40 pm
Garek Maxwell Jungle Boots yeah.... the anti-media reporters have been raving about this for years. honestly ive met super models before, none of which were any more attractive than the waitresses at the local party bar. Infact there are old marxist theorists that think that the media along with the prospect of new and amazing products create a world of illusion that veils the truth from the consumer's eyes. That it is all a potent distraction from the reality that the very system that provides this spectacle of imagery and object oppresses them through making them work jobs they hate so they can buy things they dont need. Fight Club is based off these theories. From the things I have read, this has become so ingrained in society that people will often relate real life to the fantasy spin the media makes on it when confronted with the real. ...Er, like, if someone went camping and saw a wild animal and then said "it's just like National Geographic!". ...I also just realized that I may be mixing this together unintentionally with post-modernism... Which is even more confusing. gonk I've read just a little bit from those theorists in one class. It was a light touching of the subject, but it was very interesting. The article I read was by Walter Benjamin on reproduction has changed art. http://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm Here it is by the way. I also read a book by Susan Sontage, who compared photography to this Plato's cave idea... thing... It's been a long time since I read all this, so I've forgotten most of it. Strange this is, I've gotten bits and pieces of these things from several different classes. I think I got more of the "get the workers working" part from a class on community. That was just one of the earlier ideas present though. A later idea that came about from Ford was to establish a community were workers actually liked to work for their company and the company treated them well. I think there was one last and more recent idea on this sort of subject, but I don't remember it. It likely had something to do with globalization though. I've rambled off about a lot of things here. sweatdrop Also, I never saw fight club. I just thought it was funny that they had what looked like a soap bar -on the ground- as an advertisement for it. Sure, it was sometimes held and and in a dish...but it still looked like someone dropped the soap. xd ill read that article for sure... me being an artist its probably very applicable to my life. post modernism is a term used for the movement of thinkers that critically question what we perceive as reality. so these theories that we are talking about are very much postmodernist. i was thinking of Guy DeBord and his film Society and the Spectacle. i never seen it all the way though, but i have watched it about half way through and read the first few chapters of the script. to be honest the first couple chapters are the important ones anyway, the rest are just explaining the specifics of what he basically said in the first few. I talk to alot of marxists on the situation of media and "commodity fetishism" and they have alot to say on the opposite. like you said "keep the workers working", their objective is to not only provide a worker with rights but a working worker with rights. so to them if media and commodity motivates them to work, then its probably better than the old propoganda approach. Guy Debord also explains alot of things with reference to "the cave" to his readers. its a critical part of arguing any point that states; "HEY YOU LIVE IN ILLUSION... THE REAL WORLD IS OVER HERE"
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:20 am
F a w k s i Maybe because you're 14 ?_? > 3> Probably. :3
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:28 am
CodyDudeTm F a w k s i Maybe because you're 14 ?_? > 3> Probably. :3 Everything above 14 > 14
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:04 pm
F a w k s i CodyDudeTm F a w k s i Maybe because you're 14 ?_? > 3> Probably. :3 Everything above 14 > 14
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:09 pm
Jungle Boots ill read that article for sure... me being an artist its probably very applicable to my life. post modernism is a term used for the movement of thinkers that critically question what we perceive as reality. so these theories that we are talking about are very much postmodernist. i was thinking of Guy DeBord and his film Society and the Spectacle. i never seen it all the way though, but i have watched it about half way through and read the first few chapters of the script. to be honest the first couple chapters are the important ones anyway, the rest are just explaining the specifics of what he basically said in the first few. I talk to alot of marxists on the situation of media and "commodity fetishism" and they have alot to say on the opposite. like you said "keep the workers working", their objective is to not only provide a worker with rights but a working worker with rights. so to them if media and commodity motivates them to work, then its probably better than the old propoganda approach. Guy Debord also explains alot of things with reference to "the cave" to his readers. its a critical part of arguing any point that states; "HEY YOU LIVE IN ILLUSION... THE REAL WORLD IS OVER HERE" I'm not sure how useful it is considering how old it is and how he doesn't really explain the "last stage" of where art goes... I think. I seem to recall it being simplified down to three stages with art being treated as a religious thing, then as something to be contemplated, and then something about it being political, but it's never explained. It's been a while. sweatdrop Oh, good, I always seem to get confused with postmodernism. It feels like it''s never explained and yet you're supposed to know what it means somehow. My design class had broken down in the best possible way, in list format with the differences between it and modernism. I'll have to look into that guy, as I never heard of him before. Sounds interesting though. Eh, I don't know about that. I don't like propaganda, but the whole consumerism approach just feels even more empty. There's that whole "money doesn't buy you happiness" problem that sure seems to apply to this. I really don't know for certain what could work better, but these other motivations seem to only cause more problems than they solve. Plus, I would think forming relationships between workers and making their work more fulfilling would do more to motivate them than the other methods... Though from what I have read, this approach took place primarily before the industrial revolution when most people were farmers.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:31 pm
It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism.
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:44 pm
Shakeidas It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism. Ehh, it happens XD
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:18 pm
Shakeidas It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism. >:F You need to change the times you're on Steam, I added you as a friend and the only time I see you on, is when Im about to go to bed. Btw, I'm Admiral ButterCrisp/ Commander Pop-N-Fresh/ Donutsalad ( On Steam) My current one is Commander Pop-N-Fresh
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:14 am
ehh.. on my favorites on FA?
I dont really download it, i dont like looking at the same things more than once. *shrugs*
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:01 am
Isaol Shakeidas It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism. >:F You need to change the times you're on Steam, I added you as a friend and the only time I see you on, is when Im about to go to bed. But I live in Hawaii, so that might be a bit problematic. Sucks being half a day behind everyone else. emo
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:34 am
Shakeidas Isaol Shakeidas It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism. >:F You need to change the times you're on Steam, I added you as a friend and the only time I see you on, is when Im about to go to bed. But I live in Hawaii, so that might be a bit problematic. Sucks being half a day behind everyone else. emo Lol no way, Which island?
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:17 pm
Isaol Shakeidas Isaol Shakeidas It's amazing how fast this went from porn to Marxism. >:F You need to change the times you're on Steam, I added you as a friend and the only time I see you on, is when Im about to go to bed. But I live in Hawaii, so that might be a bit problematic. Sucks being half a day behind everyone else. emo Lol no way, Which island? That would be Maui.
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:33 pm
Tiloren Most of it's just dumped into My Documents folder but I do keep a folder on the desktop with newer stuff for quick access as well as something good as a wallpaper. wink Some stuff is hung on the walls around the bedroom but not too much of it's paw-worthy. 3nodding  ^^;
What does 'paw-worthy' mean?
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