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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:35 am
Well damn, I guess you weren't being very careful.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:45 am
Diana Vulpes
Well damn, I guess you weren't being very careful. That's probably one of the rudest things I've ever seen you post.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:50 am
Katzekinder Diana Vulpes
Well damn, I guess you weren't being very careful. That's probably one of the rudest things I've ever seen you post.
If you were trying to get pregnant then my apologies and congratulations if this might be turns to out to be true.
However, if it was simply an accident from not taking proper precautions, then you screwed up and I am not sorry for my earlier statement.
My opinions on the matter are relative to the situation.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:57 am
Diana Vulpes Katzekinder Diana Vulpes
Well damn, I guess you weren't being very careful. That's probably one of the rudest things I've ever seen you post.
If you were trying to get pregnant then my apologies and congratulations if this might be turns to out to be true.
However, if it was simply an accident from not taking proper precautions, then you screwed up and I am not sorry for my earlier statement.
My opinions on the matter are relative to the situation. You know, there are always circumstances. I'm not sure, but my period is a week and a half late. I'm getting tested this weekend. Some kinds of birth control just don't work for me. I was on depo for a year, and finally stopped because it was wreaking havoc on my emotional state and made me gain a lot of weight. I can't go on the pill because I'm very forgetful and WOULD eventually forget to take it. I've been contemplating the Nuva Ring, but frankly, I don't have a lot of money, and I got quoted that each ring would cost me $30. I have no idea how it happened. There were no scares, there wasn't any point where we had unprotected sex. The only things I can think of is the condom broke, or he raped me in my sleep. And I seriously doubt the second. I'm a light sleeper. Added to all the other s**t I've been going through that I haven't posted for sanity's sake, I really don't need any attitude for not doing anything wrong. Accidents happen, dammit. I personally am prepared to carry it to term and put it up for adoption, but I don't think Dan could handle that. And there's always the complications. My best option is an abortion, but.. it's not that easy to choose. It's easy to decide just on principle, but when it's actually something that might have to be an option.. it's not quite so easy. I don't know. I just.. you don't have to be so damned flippant about it. "What? You might be pregnant? That means you must be a careless slut!" is what it felt like you meant. And I don't need that. I've got my mother for that.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:07 am
As I stated, my opinions are determined by the situation I am given. In most cases when I hear of a young girl getting pregnant it is because she was being very stupid, as such that is my natural reaction whenever I hear such things.
There was no intention of offending you and I realize that at this point you are probably in a high emotional state, so most defiantly my passing judgment on you without knowing all the fact is not something you need right now. Though, I cannot be blamed for drawing to the first logical conclusion based on what information I had at hand, but I was wrong and do apologize for it.
It probably does no good to say you should try and calm down, but you should at least take attempt to not get over excited and worried till after the test. Your period being late does not always mean you are pregnant, but it is smart to be prepared if it is true. All I can say is that it is best to talk it out with your boyfriend and family and get their opinions, but in the end you have to do what is right for you and no body else.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:18 am
I understand, and I'm sorry for getting kind of "omfg grr" at you. I should've said more first.
I've talked to Dan about it, and he's said he'll be supporting me no matter what I decide. I honestly don't think I'm ready financially to take care of a child, but... it's stupid, but I really want to. It's really upsetting that I'll have to give up this chance because I can't give it the care it needs. So that leaves either abortion or adoption.
On one hand, it seems that it'd be pretty emotionally devastating to give birth to a baby and then give it away, and the pregnancy itself would be an emotional rollercoaster in and of itself.. but... abortion. It's my (foolish, probably) belief that any life, even a miserable one, is preferable over oblivion. Sure, it never would've had the chance to have any experiences, but.. it still seems rather heartless.
I'm biased also, because my birth mother was in a similar situation (as far as my understanding goes). She was a senior in highschool... but I'm torn. I don't know if I could be as strong as she was. So I'm torn.
Dan's theory that the antibiotics coupled with all the stress I've been under might be screwing around with my cycle. I'll know this weekend. I'm probably making a big deal over nothing. Just.. better safe than sorry, right? And after all this is over, I might just go on depo again, or see if I can get insurance to pay for the Nuva rings. Accidents aside, I still feel like I'm somehow at fault here..
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:31 am
No one is at fault here, hun. There are no 100% certainties in this world other than we will all eventually die. While it is certainly better that you turn out to not be pregnant, you are at least thinking things through and taking responsibilities for the chance you really are pregnant. As well you did take proper precautions to prevent pregnancy, but other than outright making yourself sterile there is always a chance that birth control is going to fail.
No matter what you decide, I am sure it will be the right choice. I do not feel it is my place, or anyone's place, to tell you what you should do. None of the options before you are easy ones so all I can say is to fallow your heart and do what you feel is right for yourself and the child, given that you are indeed pregnant.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 11:48 am
Katzekinder I understand, and I'm sorry for getting kind of "omfg grr" at you. I should've said more first. I've talked to Dan about it, and he's said he'll be supporting me no matter what I decide. I honestly don't think I'm ready financially to take care of a child, but... it's stupid, but I really want to. It's really upsetting that I'll have to give up this chance because I can't give it the care it needs. So that leaves either abortion or adoption. On one hand, it seems that it'd be pretty emotionally devastating to give birth to a baby and then give it away, and the pregnancy itself would be an emotional rollercoaster in and of itself.. but... abortion. It's my (foolish, probably) belief that any life, even a miserable one, is preferable over oblivion. Sure, it never would've had the chance to have any experiences, but.. it still seems rather heartless. I'm biased also, because my birth mother was in a similar situation (as far as my understanding goes). She was a senior in highschool... but I'm torn. I don't know if I could be as strong as she was. So I'm torn. Dan's theory that the antibiotics coupled with all the stress I've been under might be screwing around with my cycle. I'll know this weekend. I'm probably making a big deal over nothing. Just.. better safe than sorry, right? And after all this is over, I might just go on depo again, or see if I can get insurance to pay for the Nuva rings. Accidents aside, I still feel like I'm somehow at fault here.. Well, do you really want to give birth to a child only to send it into a bland, unloving system for many years of it's life? And then have it hunt you down and possibly tell you that they hate you for giving them up? I would say that it is far kinder to abort it than to give birth to it. You might be sad about having to do it, but at this stage, the thing doesn't have an identity, doesn't have feelings, doesn't feel pain.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:15 pm
FogSage Well, do you really want to give birth to a child only to send it into a bland, unloving system for many years of it's life? And then have it hunt you down and possibly tell you that they hate you for giving them up? I would say that it is far kinder to abort it than to give birth to it. You might be sad about having to do it, but at this stage, the thing doesn't have an identity, doesn't have feelings, doesn't feel pain. You know, not all adoptions are like that. And like I said, it's my opinion that a miserable life is better than no life at all. After all, the prior at least has hope for a happier existance. The latter isn't an existance at all. It all comes down to potential. It doesn't have an identity or feelings yet, but if it lives it will. And is that any better? I know if I am pregnant I'm going to have an abortion. That doesn't stop me from feeling remorse about it. I'm not just going to kill it and then everything's going to be okay. I regret that my first conception has to end like this, in failure. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the feelings welling up inside me. After all, it's not like you're me. I can't just send you my feelings over the internet. Suffice to say, it's not really that easy. If circumstances were better.. if I could concievably take care of a child at this point in my life.. This wouldn't even be a decision. For the rest of my life, I'm going to think about this, imagine what my child would've been like.. and I'm never going to be completely okay with ending it's existance so early. Some people get pregnant, and are just like "it's okay, I can just get an abortion! biggrin " I don't want to be one of those people. Ever.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:27 pm
Katzekinder Some people get pregnant, and are just like "it's okay, I can just get an abortion! biggrin " I don't want to be one of those people. Ever.
Praises onto you for having integrity and convictions. Too many look at abortion as simply another form of birth control, but getting an abortion is not and should not be an easy decision.
I personally feel that it is the wisest decision, if you are pregnant, that you plan to go through with an abortion. However, I am sympathetic to your beliefs and I am not so cold hearted as to have no feelings towards the loss of a potential life, my mind just always goes towards what is most logical, what makes the most sense.
As human beings, sometimes are decisions are not always based on logical thought because we are also driven by our emotions. I do not feel that should not ignore either one, while I believe it is foolish to not listen to one's own reason I also believe it to be foolish to ignore one's heart.
Heart, mind and soul... we must learn to listen to each of these and allow them to guide us down the paths we choose with no regrets.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:45 pm
So. I'm back for a while I guess. Yay?
I'm not up to date with even a third of the things that go on here,and i'm not sure if theres anyone I remember here.but aw well.
So...
New?
I'm living in a garage with Shoel,sharing the same bed. Our geckos having the Gecko wasting disease. My female albino ball python is actually a male. I bought Sheol two kingsnakes, Kingpin and Striker. I bought myself a new blue tongue skink, Louise Ithink. I saw Stardust. I got to ride a harley again. I have little baby mice,and soon to be rats. We found dead baby bearded dragons that hatched in the other house. Draco (Bearded Dragon) Is pregnant. Wasp and Honey (two leopard geckos) died. Lost a baby leopard gecko. Axle graduated Intermediete training with a 9.2. (out of 10.)
and all sorts of things...
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:53 pm
I split a little vindaloo sauce on the floor and before I could clean it, Toby (my sister's dog) licked it up..... and proberly regretting it.
My family doesn't see the funny side of it, oh well, but I'm getting into trouble about it xP
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:01 pm
Katzekinder FogSage Well, do you really want to give birth to a child only to send it into a bland, unloving system for many years of it's life? And then have it hunt you down and possibly tell you that they hate you for giving them up? I would say that it is far kinder to abort it than to give birth to it. You might be sad about having to do it, but at this stage, the thing doesn't have an identity, doesn't have feelings, doesn't feel pain. You know, not all adoptions are like that. And like I said, it's my opinion that a miserable life is better than no life at all. After all, the prior at least has hope for a happier existance. The latter isn't an existance at all. It all comes down to potential. It doesn't have an identity or feelings yet, but if it lives it will. And is that any better? I know if I am pregnant I'm going to have an abortion. That doesn't stop me from feeling remorse about it. I'm not just going to kill it and then everything's going to be okay. I regret that my first conception has to end like this, in failure. But I wouldn't expect you to understand the feelings welling up inside me. After all, it's not like you're me. I can't just send you my feelings over the internet. Suffice to say, it's not really that easy. If circumstances were better.. if I could concievably take care of a child at this point in my life.. This wouldn't even be a decision. For the rest of my life, I'm going to think about this, imagine what my child would've been like.. and I'm never going to be completely okay with ending it's existance so early. Some people get pregnant, and are just like "it's okay, I can just get an abortion! biggrin " I don't want to be one of those people. Ever. If you decide to abort, it was never your child to begin with. I know it sounds cruel to say this, but you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't abort a fetus and then wonder what might have been if you had gone through with the pregnancy, because that time is over and done with. As for ending its life, it doesn't know that it exists, nor does it care that you're terminating it. Don't think about it being a baby, because it isn't. It is a primitive and crude form of life which, given enough time, will become a human being. I think you'll be responsible enough to know that abortion is only to be used when you feel there are no other alternatives.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 4:20 pm
Holy s**t guys.
Katzekinder, you have no reason to apologize to Di and every right to have been "omfg grr." The reasoning behind the statement was stupid. Forming an opinion on so little information is not wise, and automatically assuming someone wasn't careful just because a lot of people aren't is generalizing. Not to mention it was tasteless, in-compassionate and completely rude. Even if the assumption was correct, you don't just say that to someone, especially in a situation like this! Good lord.
As for Fog, you're not taking into consideration the other aspects of an abortion. Sure, it'll fix her problems and maybe it's not truly a life this early on in development. However, they can be very emotionally and physically damaging. Including but not limited to severe depression and a higher chance of miscarriage in the future if she does want a child. I certainly do not feel it is "far kinder" to be rid of it, if it does exist.
As for my advice on the situation: Your choice what you want to do with the child if you are pregnant, and I think you're handling things well so far. Just try not to get too worked up til you know if you're pregnant or not; lots of things could mess with your cycle. Hell, mine is about two weeks late this month and I'm a virgin and pretty sure I'm not having Jesus. I sincerely hope things work out okay and I'm very glad you have some support.
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 5:19 pm
Hypocritical lecturing is rather annoying. We all generalize and we all jump to conclusions, telling someone that they should not do this is redundant because it is simply human nature and you would be better off saving your breath on the subject.
The only thing I did that most would not is react truthfully on how I fell about the subject rather than p***y-footing around and treating her with pity regardless of the circumstances. I was incorrect in my conclusion, I am aware of that and already apologized. That particular aspect of this subject would have been better left alone rather than brought up again. Let alone for the reason there is no point in bringing it back up, but also the fact that what I discuss with another person is no one other's business even of done publicly.
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