Furry sexual promiscuity

[Psycho Lee]

Cassidy Peterson

Psycho Lee

I'd be interested in seeing these "studies" that claim most humans are bi

Crap, I had an article the other day that said some portion of men who identify as completely straight still may cheat on their wives with other men...

Lemme see if I can find it. There was a thread about it in Extended Discussion, I think...

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edit 2: fff-- article is a dead link, shall resume searching

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If the article doesn't work, do a Google search for article "Gay sex is for straight men"

A debate in the ED board isn't conclusive evidence of anything. confused

In any case, that debate and article are about gay men who pretend to be straight and get married because they're afraid of coming out, they're hiding their sexuality, or they think being gay is a sin. They're still gay, they're just pretending to be straight and having sex with women to hide it. They probably hate the sex they're having.. it may be emotionally painful for them.

Both the thread you posted and the article still say only about 12% of men in the study were gay. That's certainly not "most" men.


I also agree with the creator of that thread that it's very unfair to the woman for a gay man to marry her and pretend to be straight. That makes the relationship, which is based on honesty, a giant lie. Better to be single than to have a screwed-up relationship like that.

My uncle is 35, lives in SanFran, has never had a girlfriend that my family knows of. I suspect he may be gay, but he hasn't said he is. My family sees no issues with him not shacking up with females, and I would think I'd rather him be that way (or have secret relationships) than marry a woman he doesn't want to have sex with.  

[Jungle Boots]

Psycho Lee

Cassidy Peterson

Psycho Lee

I'd be interested in seeing these "studies" that claim most humans are bi

Crap, I had an article the other day that said some portion of men who identify as completely straight still may cheat on their wives with other men...

Lemme see if I can find it. There was a thread about it in Extended Discussion, I think...

edit: Thread

edit 2: fff-- article is a dead link, shall resume searching

edit 3: Article


If the article doesn't work, do a Google search for article "Gay sex is for straight men"

A debate in the ED board isn't conclusive evidence of anything. confused

In any case, that debate and article are about gay men who pretend to be straight and get married because they're afraid of coming out, they're hiding their sexuality, or they think being gay is a sin. They're still gay, they're just pretending to be straight and having sex with women to hide it. They probably hate the sex they're having.. it may be emotionally painful for them.

Both the thread you posted and the article still say only about 12% of men in the study were gay. That's certainly not "most" men.


I also agree with the creator of that thread that it's very unfair to the woman for a gay man to marry her and pretend to be straight. That makes the relationship, which is based on honesty, a giant lie. Better to be single than to have a screwed-up relationship like that.

My uncle is 35, lives in SanFran, has never had a girlfriend that my family knows of. I suspect he may be gay, but he hasn't said he is. My family sees no issues with him not shacking up with females, and I would think I'd rather him be that way (or have secret relationships) than marry a woman he doesn't want to have sex with.

renoun entymologist and sexologist Alfred Kinsey came up with the Human sexuality continum


He came to this diagram trough about several decades of interviewing random people and anylizing results inorder to get to the bottom of human sexual psycology and sociology.

His studies are still the foundation for nearly all human sexuality studies conducted.  

[Sunegami]

I think I know Lee's problem. He keeps reiterating that he's looking at things from a "logical" or "scientific" standpoint. Life, however-- or rather the way we live it-- isn't logical. razz  

[Selene Aries]

All events in the universe, since the very beginning, have been brought about through chaos and yet nature finds a way to bring order to it all, a balance.  

[Cassidy Peterson]

Psycho Lee

Both the thread you posted and the article still say only about 12% of men in the study were gay. That's certainly not "most" men.

T'was just something I felt was related, s'all.  

[Artemis Vulpes]

Cassidy Peterson

Psycho Lee

Both the thread you posted and the article still say only about 12% of men in the study were gay. That's certainly not "most" men.

T'was just something I felt was related, s'all.

You really cannot put too much trust in surveys. For one they are just a very, very, small samplings of the population and generally only involve one culture in one particular part of the world. Secondly, you cannot be 100% certain those taking the survey are giving honest and accurate answers.

Another thing is that there are a lot of people that convinced they are straight and so when asked that is the answer they will give. I say convinced because I have known many people in my life time, I was one of them, that for the longest time believed that I had to be, that there was no other option. But the truth was is that I never even allowed myself to explore the possibility that I might be gay and it was not till I allowed myself to explore the potential that I came to realize I was bi.

As I said, have come across many others in the same bout, where we just never even explored the possibility till later in life. I know I am not gay because even after experimenting with the same sex I am still attracted to the opposite sex.

It was just the way I was raised, being taught that it was okay for someone to be gay and that I should not have any prejudices but that it was not okay for me to be gay. I pretty much grew up detesting the male figure and avoided seeing male as sexual, or attractive, in anyway and even finding myself disgusted at such displays. I know now that my reactions were based on a very deep seeded fear that if I allowed myself to look I might like what I see, so in defense I simply did not look and acted in disgust.

Ever the person of open mind and wanting to dispel my fears, to prove to myself whether I really was straight as I believed or there was some potential I was gay I began experimenting with some friends. I figured that if I did not at least actually experience being with another male then I would never truly know either way, I would just be assuming.

Started of with at least allowing myself to look at men in a sexual way and had to admit I liked what I saw but did not believe it met anything, but all things lead to another and eventually I found my way to another man's bed. To me that was the make or break moment, but ended up enjoying the experience. When I use the term experiment, mean it quite literally. I had some theories I wanted to test and see to the end what the results would be from first hand experience. End the end realizing that I do like men, though I still like woman more.

Just the fact of coming to know the truth, after years of struggling with my sexuality, was a major weight off. At this point in my life I have come to find what attracts me most to someone is their personality. Gender, gender identity, age and race do not play that much of a factor. Yet I definitely still lean more towards woman, or even effeminate men.  

[Shaviv]

Psycho Lee

there's no evolutionary advantage to porking the same sex.

Lee, there doesn't have to be an evolutionary advantage to everything. Why do some people have six digits rather than five? Why do some people (like me) wiggle their ears or roll their tongues while others cannot? Why do some people develop freakishly large muscles without steroids while others never get beyond a wiry build? Because they do, the mutation provides neither a significant advantage nor a significant disadvantage.

I mean, look at Huntington's disease. It's a terrible way to live, and to die, which is why an awful lot of people with it kill themselves. But there's no selective pressure against it, because it doesn't manifest itself until after a person has passed childbearing age.

But everything we know about sexual orientation suggests that, while there may be generic and even heritable factors involved, the actual mechanism is the way a pregnant woman's body adds hormones to her blood, and the way her unborn child reacts to them. The DES case studies are a perfect example.

You might even say that these traits of hormone production and hormone reactivity are byproducts of another evolutionarily-selected-for trait. I don't know what that would be, to be honest, but hey, you never know.  

[Psycho Lee]

I think it's a bad idea to think of most guys as being even slightly bisexual (even if I think most guys are straight, and maybe only a third or less show any bisexual tendency).

I've been hit on by more guys than girls (hence part of why I started this thread). Most of those times were within the furry fandom. My guess is that since I'm a furry, they assume that I must be gay or bi. But when I inform them I'm straight and I'm not interested in relationships or sex with them, they go on about how studies have shown most men are at least slightly bi, and then they say they want to convert me, or want me to try it out with them, or give it a chance.

No means no, no matter what gender. I'm not interested in ******** your fat a** (or skinny a**), you're not sexually attractive to me. There are plenty of gay or bi guys in the fandom, if you're that damn horny, hitch up with them. Learn to control yourself.


I like to think of sexual attraction like someone in that thread in the ED said, that people are attracted to traits on a gender, not the gender itself. While some may be attracted to specific male or female traits, like boobs or p***s, others may be attracted to womanly thighs or butt or hips, or manly chest or legs or arms, so if a member of the same sex shows traits similar to the opposite sex, like a man is effeminate, or a girl is boyish or manly, it's possible for a straight member of that gender to find those TRAITS attractive, if still not interested in the actual sexual organs of that person. I've seen a few very effeminate guys who look almost female and I think "if that dude was a girl and had boobs and a v****a I'd think they were hot." Having a p***s though, I don't want to have sex with them. On another note, all the men who have flirted or hit on me have been unattractive to me.  

[[-Erik-]]

Some are into the furry fandom beacuse of the porn, you know.

 

[RyanJakobi]

[-Erik-]

Some are into the furry fandom beacuse of the porn, you know.

It's a nice side benefit, at least. 3nodding  

[Shaviv]

I'm not going to shy away from saying that I like breasts, for example, but there's more to it than that. You know the singers from Heritage Connection or whatever it's called? I'd think they were attractive if not for the fact that I know about their venom, their twisted loathing for everything that isn't either Anglo, male and Christian, or Anglo, female and subservient.

Compare to the fact that there's a gent who is very obviously a man, when you meet him, who is as gay as gay can possibly be gay, and actually, he is attractive. I wouldn't sleep with him but that's because he's non-single.

Persons matter as much as, or more than, bodies. Or should I say, personal traits matter as much as or more than physical traits.  

[[-Erik-]]

RyanJakobi

[-Erik-]

Some are into the furry fandom beacuse of the porn, you know.

It's a nice side benefit, at least. 3nodding

Porn, porn pooooooorn!

 

[Cassidy Peterson]

Artemis Vulpes

Another thing is that there are a lot of people that convinced they are straight and so when asked that is the answer they will give.

Oh, aye, that's understandable. And so long as people are afraid to admit they're anything but straight it's gonna be impossible to get a reliable answer anyways.

I just thought t'was interesting that there are people out there who will identify themselves as completely straight to somebody they've already told about their homosexual tendencies/preferences.

Psycho Lee

then they say they want to convert me

I'd start slapping people at that point.

Or at least remind them - loudly, angrily, and with profanity - that sexual harassment is illegal.

Psycho Lee

it's possible for a straight member of that gender to find those TRAITS attractive, if still not interested in the actual sexual organs of that person

Aye. I'm not ashamed to admit I think somebody's attractive, no matter what they are, but there are parts I just do not want in my life.  

[Chunin Uchiha Itachi]

1. i'm a man
2. i hate irl sex
3. fems are difficult