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 Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 4:49 am
If ur not married, then only the half of the religion is complete.
Wether it's a must or ur own decision is mathhab, people say diffrent things.
But from qur'an and hadith's it is very important, so i think it is a must. Only if ur capable. If u are poor, blind or sumthing, then u don't have to do it smile
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:18 am
The_Pathan If ur not married, then only the half of the religion is complete. Wether it's a must or ur own decision is mathhab, people say diffrent things. But from qur'an and hadith's it is very important, so i think it is a must. Only if ur capable. If u are poor, blind or sumthing, then u don't have to do it smile Are you saying cuz i am not married, then i wont go to heaven? family is important but it is not the only thing. i am against fathers who ask people to marry their daughters. It makes the woman look cheap. Also, one of the rules of marriage that the husband is in a level near his wife, socially, financially and mentally. More over, if we HAD to marry, why did allah give us the right to refuse? if you want to marry, you can. If not then its also alright as long as you keep your chastity.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:26 am
I did not say that u wont go to heaven, I only showed You what Islam says about it smile
Allah gave us right to refuge, but You should have a reason.
But I think parents should help their kids. When people find their mate themselves, it kinda isn't good cuz they mostly do wrong stuffs beffore. But if You keep the rules, as if You don't flirt or anything, then it's fine smile But no, Qur'an says that You must not hide it, or do it secretly. Do it's important that your parrents are knowledged smile
I mean if someone 100% perfect came and asked for ur hand, then I think it is haram if u refuge, if he is 100% fine, and ur ready for it 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:48 am
IM sick of this subject and I wont discuss it anymore but pathan,
IM SERIOUS!! I SAID THIS MANY TIMES NOT TO CUZ IM MAD CUZ ITS TRUE ITS "HARAAAAAAAAM" TO SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM OR NOT FROM UR HEAD PATHAN ITS "HARAAAAAAAAAM" IT REALLY IS U CANT JUST SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM BECAUSE U THINK ITS HARAM SAYING THAT IS AGAIN! HARAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!
(I did it in caps to get ur attention)
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Fish of Steel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:53 am
who ever refuses has a reason and you are NOT close enough to tell you my private things.
And completing half the religion?
thats because they are able to do things unmarried people cant.
and with these things there are regulation to follow.
these regulations are the other half of religion.
its like what people misunderstood the hadith:
""النساء ناقصات عقل و دين" which means translated word for word women are not complete mentally and religiously.
but the meaning is:
women's decisions are affected by emotions.
this is supporten in Quraan : "إن كيدهن عظيم" which means women are clever.
the other thing about religion is about how they get their monthly and cant pray or fast. Nothing to do with faith.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 5:59 am
Fish of Steel IM sick of this subject and I wont discuss it anymore but pathan, IM SERIOUS!! I SAID THIS MANY TIMES NOT TO CUZ IM MAD CUZ ITS TRUE ITS "HARAAAAAAAAM" TO SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM OR NOT FROM UR HEAD PATHAN ITS "HARAAAAAAAAAM" IT REALLY IS U CANT JUST SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM BECAUSE U THINK ITS HARAM SAYING THAT IS AGAIN! HARAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!(I did it in caps to get ur attention) Don't always accuse me for these things, ok? smile Give me just 1 example where I said somthing which is haram, while it isn't. I know i said some stuff is haram, but i can PROVE IT! Give me examples, then I will believe u 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:04 am
WandySama who ever refuses has a reason and you are NOT close enough to tell you my private things. And completing half the religion? thats because they are able to do things unmarried people cant. and with these things there are regulation to follow. these regulations are the other half of religion. its like what people misunderstood the hadith: ""النساء ناقصات عقل و دين" which means translated word for word women are not complete mentally and religiously. but the meaning is: women's decisions are affected by emotions. this is supporten in Quraan : "إن كيدهن عظيم" which means women are clever. the other thing about religion is about how they get their monthly and cant pray or fast. Nothing to do with faith. Quote: who ever refuses has a reason and you are NOT close enough to tell you my private things. Alright =) Quote: And completing half the religion? thats because they are able to do things unmarried people cant. and with these things there are regulation to follow. these regulations are the other half of religion. its like what people misunderstood the hadith: ""النساء ناقصات عقل و دين" which means translated word for word women are not complete mentally and religiously. but the meaning is: women's decisions are affected by emotions. this is supporten in Quraan : "إن كيدهن عظيم" which means women are clever. the other thing about religion is about how they get their monthly and cant pray or fast. Nothing to do with faith Maybe it dosn't mean that. But I believe in what Muhammad(saw) told us, and he told us that when ur married u complete half ur religion smile Yea, women are not animals, they are clever. But why do you 2 only answer some things which has nothing to do with anything??? I mean, can't You reply it all? razz well anyways, i think i explained this. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:11 am
The_Pathan Fish of Steel IM sick of this subject and I wont discuss it anymore but pathan, IM SERIOUS!! I SAID THIS MANY TIMES NOT TO CUZ IM MAD CUZ ITS TRUE ITS "HARAAAAAAAAM" TO SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM OR NOT FROM UR HEAD PATHAN ITS "HARAAAAAAAAAM" IT REALLY IS U CANT JUST SAY SOMETHING IS HARAM BECAUSE U THINK ITS HARAM SAYING THAT IS AGAIN! HARAAAAAAAAAAAM!!!!!!(I did it in caps to get ur attention) Don't always accuse me for these things, ok? smile Give me just 1 example where I said somthing which is haram, while it isn't. I know i said some stuff is haram, but i can PROVE IT! Give me examples, then I will believe u 3nodding just about everything I have seen u say lately is haram haram haram, about the movies about the piercing about not marring and being gay even if u have done nothing wrong EVERYTHING! anyway Im too tired to argue with u anymore u wana say stuff is haram fine but I will do what I believe, I dont care anymore do what u want.
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Fish of Steel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:20 am
Movies with people dancing half naked = haram , i didn't say all movies were haram 3nodding
Piercing = haram for males, not females.
Not being married = I dunno, but I think You should get married since that's what I got told and I read, and I would say everyone must get married if they are capable. 3nodding
Being Gay = haram, it is a very bad thing.
Yes I know, You don't discuss or read what I say, You just love to talk bad about me ^_^
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:38 am
The_Pathan Movies with people dancing half naked = haram , i didn't say all movies were haram 3nodding Piercing = haram for males, not females. Not being married = I dunno, but I think You should get married since that's what I got told and I read, and I would say everyone must get married if they are capable. 3nodding Being Gay = haram, it is a very bad thing. Yes I know, You don't discuss or read what I say, You just love to talk bad about me ^_^ actually I ready every word u say, and read it 3 times to make sure I didnt misunderstand, which is why I didnt get mad at the women are not human comment, cuz after reading I understood that u mean they are human just different than me. I would not have understood that if I didnt read all u said. its just u make no sense to me u seem to think what every one does in this world is haram u say it is easy to kill and make it sound that muslims are killers, u decide that gays should go to hell and be killed even if they did not kiss a man or get a boyfriend or anything, its not his fault he is gay, why should he be punished if he did nothing wrong. my best friend is gay he is an amassing muslim, he has never had a relationship with a man and does not plan to, even wont let his friends even take there s**t off infront of him because it would be the same as a straight man seeing naked women, he never misses a prayer he is so respectful and a wonderful kind giving person, why the hell should he be killed just cuz he is attracted to men? it makes no sense to me. ur logic makes no sense to me and it makes me angry cuz I feel u are talking bad about Islam and good muslims, and u dont seem to wana change ur mind, and ur conniving me at all, so why continue the discussion, we should just agree to disagree. and btw pathan u talked berry badly about me a shot time ago and I forgive u, I really feel u have no right to come and say Im talking badly about u just cuz I have an opinion about what u believe in islam, I can believe what I want and so can u.
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Fish of Steel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 6:50 am
Fish of Steel The_Pathan Movies with people dancing half naked = haram , i didn't say all movies were haram 3nodding Piercing = haram for males, not females. Not being married = I dunno, but I think You should get married since that's what I got told and I read, and I would say everyone must get married if they are capable. 3nodding Being Gay = haram, it is a very bad thing. Yes I know, You don't discuss or read what I say, You just love to talk bad about me ^_^ actually I ready every word u say, and read it 3 times to make sure I didnt misunderstand, which is why I didnt get mad at the women are not human comment, cuz after reading I understood that u mean they are human just different than me. I would not have understood that if I didnt read all u said. its just u make no sense to me u seem to think what every one does in this world is haram u say it is easy to kill and make it sound that muslims are killers, u decide that gays should go to hell and be killed even if they did not kiss a man or get a boyfriend or anything, its not his fault he is gay, why should he be punished if he did nothing wrong. my best friend is gay he is an amassing muslim, he has never had a relationship with a man and does not plan to, even wont let his friends even take there s**t off infront of him because it would be the same as a straight man seeing naked women, he never misses a prayer he is so respectful and a wonderful kind giving person, why the hell should he be killed just cuz he is attracted to men? it makes no sense to me. ur logic makes no sense to me and it makes me angry cuz I feel u are talking bad about Islam and good muslims, and u dont seem to wana change ur mind, and ur conniving me at all, so why continue the discussion, we should just agree to disagree. and btw pathan u talked berry badly about me a shot time ago and I forgive u, I really feel u have no right to come and say Im talking badly about u just cuz I have an opinion about what u believe in islam, I can believe what I want and so can u. Quote: actually I ready every word u say, and read it 3 times to make sure I didnt misunderstand, which is why I didnt get mad at the women are not human comment, cuz after reading I understood that u mean they are human just different than me. I would not have understood that if I didnt read all u said. oh, thanks, I didn't know razz Quote: it's just u make no sense to me u seem to think what every one does in this world is haram u say it is easy to kill and make it sound that muslims are killers, u decide that gays should go to hell and be killed even if they did not kiss a man or get a boyfriend or anything, its not his fault he is gay, why should he be punished if he did nothing wrong. And when did I say that? confused It kind aannoys me somthimes that You suddenly talk about I did something which i never said it's just annoying.. stressed Quote: my best friend is gay he is an amassing muslim, he has never had a relationship with a man and does not plan to, even wont let his friends even take there s**t off infront of him because it would be the same as a straight man seeing naked women, he never misses a prayer he is so respectful and a wonderful kind giving person, why the hell should he be killed just cuz he is attracted to men? it makes no sense to me. I know ur best friend is gay, all other gay lovers have a gay friend as best friend, lol Gays are just so close to women lol I been wondering if it's because of biology they are gays, or cuz they are satans, or if they are just retards(stupid in head). I really wonder (no offence) Ya i heard those stories, about religious good gays lol It's kinda funny. lol They shouldn't be killed just like that, only if they did sumthing wrong. A leader can judge it, like the government. I also know some egyptian guy, he is in guild he hate gays because of a secret reason ( i think a gay raped him or sumthing ninja ) Quote: ur logic makes no sense to me and it makes me angry cuz I feel u are talking bad about Islam and good muslims, and u dont seem to wana change ur mind, and ur conniving me at all, so why continue the discussion, we should just agree to disagree. and btw pathan u talked berry badly about me a shot time ago and I forgive u, I really feel u have no right to come and say Im talking badly about u just cuz I have an opinion about what u believe in islam, I can believe what I want and so can u. I have support from Islam from what I say, You just argue about I am stupid confused Ofcurse it is ur opinion. U can say ur opinion as long as You do it with respect and u don't talk bad or say lies about someone. You shouldn't say I did something i didn't and start rumors and talk bad. When did I talk bad about You in any of my argue?
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:02 am
The_Pathan Maybe it dosn't mean that. But I believe in what Muhammad(saw) told us, and he told us that when ur married u complete half ur religion smile Yea, women are not animals, they are clever. But why do you 2 only answer some things which has nothing to do with anything??? I mean, can't You reply it all? razz well anyways, i think i explained this. 3nodding 1 - Don'y be disrespectful when you talk about the prophet! say Prophet Mohammad. 2- as i said religion is no faith and it's up to you what you believed but i am born and raised studying relgion in the place where religion started, and in the same language it was spoken in. In this light, i am by FAR more knowlegabe than you. you repeat what you are told without thinking. This is like when islam first started and people refused it because their fathers and mothers told them what to believe. 3- i always stay in topic. I cant reply in the other topic cuz it is for boys only. Unlike you who makes rules and breaks them.
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Fish of Steel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:04 am
I told u before when u talk respectfully about gay muslims I talk respectfully about u calling them retarded or stupid in the head is rude!! AND disrespectful!!!
a gay man could be a better mulims and human than me or u so have no right to call them retarded, when alot of them could be much smarter and more educated than u pathan!
beeing gay is a mental condition "it does not mean they are crazy!!" it mean they just have different human urges than normal men, that is all!! would u call a man with depression retarded or stupid? its the same thing, it does not make them anyless than u or me!!
and read what u poster in the thread in the main forum that is called "to all muslim boys!!!!!"
u got in a big fight with a gay man and u were very rude to him, and also in the thread in the boys forum I think its called "post ur pic" or something its the only one there anyway! when u said to that gay man "do u have a d**k or a v****a?" if u were infront of me I swear I would have slapped u if I was him!! it sooooooooooooo rude pathan!!! a vulgar comment with no manners!!!
here 2 examples of u insulting gays, will u stop beeing annoyed now?
and u have not given me ANY PROF about what u say!!! u just say "I have prof!!" and I never see it!
I dont argue I have my prof to I also have logic!
and do u remember what u called me in the "hang out and chat" forum or did u forget already how u PM'ed me for 3 days saying ur sorry?
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:08 am
WandySama The_Pathan Maybe it dosn't mean that. But I believe in what Muhammad(saw) told us, and he told us that when ur married u complete half ur religion smile Yea, women are not animals, they are clever. But why do you 2 only answer some things which has nothing to do with anything??? I mean, can't You reply it all? razz well anyways, i think i explained this. 3nodding 1 - Don'y be disrespectful when you talk about the prophet! say Prophet Mohammad. 2- as i said religion is no faith and it's up to you what you believed but i am born and raised studying relgion in the place where religion started, and in the same language it was spoken in. In this light, i am by FAR more knowlegabe than you. you repeat what you are told without thinking. This is like when islam first started and people refused it because their fathers and mothers told them what to believe. 3- i always stay in topic. I cant reply in the other topic cuz it is for boys only. Unlike you who makes rules and breaks them. 1: Why can't I say Muhammad(saw)? I can say Allah, but not Muhammad(saw)? 2: So ur saying that Saudi Arabs are always right? But other arabs, or anything else are all wrong??? I say it cause i am muslim, and i have read it in the qur'an. 3nodding If u wish to prove me wrong, then please use the qur'an, i really appreciate learning heart 3: You did blackbitting talking bad about me, and i have to come here to finish this discussion. Yes you can, there is only 3 topics in the male forum. confused And i meant the topics we are talking about.
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Posted: Sat Feb 06, 2010 7:17 am
The_Pathan 2: So ur saying that Saudi Arabs are always right? But other arabs, or anything else are all wrong??? I say it cause i am muslim, and i have read it in the qur'an. 3nodding If u wish to prove me wrong, then please use the qur'an, i really appreciate learning heart 1-she has a good point pathan we speak arabic and u only learn from translated text which mean the chance of misunderstanding its statistically much higher in you case 2-most saudis read all the Quran at least 2 times a year, and during the month of ramadan we read the quran close to 3 times or once if a person is reaaaallly busy, so trust me Im sure she read it alot of times and so have I. 3-ur not saposed to be here reading what we say to begin with, so its even worse I think that u stayed u could have PM'ed us or something and we continued the discussion in another forum were men are allowed
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