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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:17 pm
FogSage Please get over yourself, Affy. What's there to be offended over? It's the way things are. It's the way the world is. Everything is completely ******** up and there's nothing anyone can do to solve it. What cannot be cured must be endured. Of course, me saying this means nothing to you, so whatever. Okay, whatever then rolleyes
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:27 pm
FogSage Af Mas It really irks me when people say therapy is BS rolleyes Of course it won't work if you have that attitude. You have to be willing to hear what they have to say and work with them. They want to help you, they aren't there just for the money (and trust me, it's not always the most lucrative career), but it's all meaningless if you're too stubborn to let someone pick your brain. There's also not just one technique therapists used. Tell me, did your therapist just sit and listen to you talk, occasionally repeating back to you something you've said? That's a particular technique, and it's based around allowing the patient to come to their own solutions to their problems with the therapist guiding them to that goal (That might sound a bit contradictory). Not everyone needs therapy, that's for sure, but not everyone has the willpower to work out their own problems, and I think that they need to have the patience to allow the therapy to work. Though with Shoki's brother, I think it may be a breach of ethics to get her mother involved like that. I dunno, it's been a while >.> Sorry, that's just my rant. Counseling is the thing I've wanted to pursue for a while, and it really gets on my nerves when people act like it's a worthless profession =/ But it is worthless. You sit down and unload emotional baggage onto the therapist, who, in their mind, is thinking "Wow. What a ******** nutjob.", all while keeping up the pretense that they're listening and are trying to help you with your problems, when in reality there is no answer, no fix for what's wrong with you. People need to admit that so long as they live, they are ******** up and there's nothing, NOTHING you can do about it. Only real solution is to die. That solves most if not all of life's problems. That was a horribly insensitive thing to say. Not many therapists do this, but I have been able to find one in California that does do relaxation therapy. I will say that talking to a therapist never helped me, but the relaxation therapy did. As a therapist/psychologist, you have to be able to find what kind of therapy that person needs because granted, not everyone can randomly talk their feelings/problems out. It's kind of just like dog training or behavioral consultants. You have a general guideline to follow, but not all dogs fit, so you have to find what works.
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:55 pm
FogSage Please get over yourself, Affy. *snip*
Actually Fog, looking over the complaints/warnings on/about you in the Moderator's forum, coupled with the some of the transgressions I've personally seen you involved with here in the AFG, giving you another warning for your flame/attack on Affy in posts on the last page it puts you one over the limit and more than qualify you for a temporary ban.
I know I'm not exactly the most active person here anymore, and my Administration and Moderation responsibilities have been neglected... so I won't make the call on how long your ban will be, that will be discussed and decided by the moderators and you'll be informed soon of the duration.
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:21 pm
As someone who's currently in therapy for a major issue and actually making progress, I say good call, J.Kougar, in calling out the troll. That sort of dribble isn't needed in a civilized discussion. Therapy can help some people make leaps and bounds of progress on their personal and interpersonal issues. Some people are unresponsive to therapy, but some are. It's far from useless, and yes, Affy, I find myself kinda miffed when I hear people downing therapy. Not even to the extent of the whole Scientology bit accusing Psychologists of poisoning our minds and whatnot, but saying that a good supportive person with years of training can't make you feel better and learn to cope with things better is pretty assholeish, if you will pardon my french. Before making a blanket statement about the uselessness of therapy based on a pessimistic life view or a few bad encounters with therapists who couldn't get past your shell, look at the people who truly are better off for it. I know I am.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:20 am
Therapy may not be for everyone, but it does help some. I just wish my mother wasn't the one to greet me as I left the room -.-
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:08 am
Shoki, have you looked into financial aide or talked to your mother about applying for it since she's jobless now? I'm on financial aide, I get all my crazy meds for free as well as therapy.
As for Fog...Wow, just wow. Kinda contradictory for you to say that Affy shouldn't get offended when all I've seen you do is get offended and b***h and rant here. *sarcastically gives a thumbs up* Good job!
Therapy does help, as does the medication. Without my medication, I'd be stuck in bed. I often can't function cause of how bad my anxiety is. I can't leave the house without feeling panicky. Pretty sure it's all rooted in my scare with a semi truck in Hereford, but that's another story. D:
But yes, I am making a point. Therapy does help, and the meds REALLY help. For anyone to claim otherwise, they haven't done it themselves or they've locked themselves in so they can't appreciate the effort to save their mind.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:25 am
I was also quite offended by Fog's comments regarding therapy. Completely unnecessary. neutral Seems to me like you're just a hate-filled person who has totally given up on himself. It makes me sad to see someone like that.
Therapy is like. . . dating; you may not find The One on the first try, so you keep going out there until you do (bad analogy is bad whee ).
Granted, I never did find a perfect therapist for me, but I chalk that up to my fear of strangers and feeling goaded to say the right things more than anything else. I don't think I was ready (at the time) to seriously examine myself and figure out what needed to be adjusted. Now I've got my boyfriend, and he's a fantastic therapist. heart
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:10 am
FogSage Please get over yourself, Affy. What's there to be offended over? It's my biased opinion being stated as fact.
Of course, me saying this means nothing to you, so whatever.
Fixed that for you.
And other than that little correction, my only real comment is on:FogSage Only real solution is to die. That solves most if not all of life's problems.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 11:02 am
Okay everyone, while it is fine to continue talking about the positive things therapists can do, please stop directly confronting Fog on how you feel about his post. J.Kougar already stepped in and the mods will handle the matter at this point. Lets try not to fan the flames.
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:18 pm
FogSage But it is worthless. You sit down and unload emotional baggage onto the therapist, who, in their mind, is thinking "Wow. What a ******** nutjob.", all while keeping up the pretense that they're listening and are trying to help you with your problems, when in reality there is no answer, no fix for what's wrong with you. okay okay okay WHAT okay, I can say this from first hand experience, with my mother being a psychotherapist, it's not about the patient sitting down while yapping away and being shown splotches of ink, psychotherapy is a very serious profession and it's extremely interactive, no therapist can adopt such childish attitude (or risk being sued for bad practice honestly, seen it happen) a real therapist wont just sit there and pretend to listen, they will get active in helping bringing the particular topics that are helpful, and when you say 'there is no answer, no fix' I would like you to tell that to the hundreds of families she has reunited, the thousands of lifes she has helped give a meaning to and the ones she has even helped to prevent suicide, and no, it's not just sitting there looking elegant, it requires a lot of hard study, beyond college, she has to keep up with courses, updates and seminaries every month or so to stay up to date and be sure to give a top quality service, if that's the kind of psychotherapists we have down here in mexico, I'm sure in USA you guys must have even higher standards so before talking silly stuff about something do your research o.o and sorry Krissim, I know you asked not to fan it, but I had to vent out because I feel that can't go by uncorrected mad
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Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:28 pm
Leyla Giselle Shoki, have you looked into financial aide or talked to your mother about applying for it since she's jobless now? I'm on financial aide, I get all my crazy meds for free as well as therapy. We've been denied financial aid/free insurance/etc type things from everyone but our church (who has sent us groceries) because we're evidently too wealthy. My mom got a couple unemployment checks but now they're fighting her over it. Edit: Oh, too clarify...we're too wealthy because my step-dad has his money and time consuming house he hasn't sold yet, and also because they're looking at us as a family of four instead of five. Apparently, I'm too old to be considered a member of the household. Silly me, I thought I was living here too.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:50 am
I miss sleep.
I remember when I used to sleep, before Sabby left on his trip... but since then, well... I'm up all night commonly, like now... and then I finally crash in the middle of the day for a few hours or until someone or thing wakes me up, then I'm up again for a while, might get in another hour at some point, then back up for 20-30some hours again straight. confused
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 10:05 am
Currently for the past two days I have had a chemically induced Migrain headache that nothing can get rid of. I've never had a full blown migrain in my life before now, being able to see is hard but not doing anything leaves me free for the pain to torment my mind. Eatting makes my stomic twist in a bad way and if anyone plays the base of their music to loud outside i risk blacking out.
So yes... the last two days have been so much fun... four hours of sleep that were forced by sleeping pills which do no good after those four hours, normally i sleep 12 hours a day... My fingers won't work right and walking is one fun ride... X_X
Thought i might mention this in case i vanish for a few days for being hospitalized...which should happen in a few hours when my friend wakes up and calls to check on me. She is a lisended nurse so... i'm not gonna die on you guys or anything.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:42 pm
I'm slowly realizing that my hubby is not who I thought he was. I had a birthday party today to celebrate MY birthday and he calls me up bitching at me that I left for the party while he was a sleep and that I should have waited for him to wake up which was right now at !0:30 pm. The party started around 5/6. So he calls my cell and just starts yelling at me telling me that I should have woken him and that I can't handle things while he's sleeping and all this other bullshit. He's really beginning to stress me out more then I need at this point in my life. I do a good enough job stressing my self out. I don't need any help.
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