The People of Lut, and homosexuals on Gaia

[The_Pathan]

busra96

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

ninja

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

stare actually 4 me it would b SOO NOT normal 2 like girls & i personally think guys r hot (well sum ahviously). an if u think guys liking guys r wierd than u hve 2 think girls liking girls r wierd also.

I know it's not joking forum, but can't u take a joke? razz  

[vevettebunny]

The_Pathan

busra96

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

ninja

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

stare actually 4 me it would b SOO NOT normal 2 like girls & i personally think guys r hot (well sum ahviously). an if u think guys liking guys r wierd than u hve 2 think girls liking girls r wierd also.

I know it's not joking forum, but can't u take a joke? razz

i can... wen its not supposed 2 b serious  

[Wandertoal-Haqq]

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

ninja

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

EXACTLY.  

[Voldemort point two]

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

Erm... wut?

I genuinely can't figure out what's attractive about women. I understand that men like tits, but I just have no idea why. To me, they're about as attractive as a pair of fried eggs. I mean, it's not a choice. I feel like a complete perv for saying this, but when I see hot guys getting changed, my heart beats faster and there are physical chemical things in my body that happen. They don't happen for women. Do I have a problem in my head? Am I a non-functioning member of society just because I won't have children, even though I have an IQ of over 120 and have a fantastic linguistic memory? (Also I'm really modest.)

The_Pathan

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

You're quite young. You probably aren't gay; lots of people are confused about their sexualities at your age. I heard a theory (my friend told me he read it somewhere but he forgot where, so this doesn't really count as part of any debate, but I just thought I'd mention it: only 10% of people are straight. 10% are gay, and the other 80% are bi, but most of those 80% go straight because of what's socially acceptable). It would also be incredibly cruel to whichever woman you marry, because she deserves a good man who loves her properly and can look after certain needs she has. I was actually considering doing what you've decided to do and marying a woman just to pretend to be straight. I even had several girlfriends. I found that I felt depressed when I was with girls, because it just wasn't who I was. I was even suicidal at one point, and felt awful whenever I watched gay porn. If your religion forbids having a boyfriend, then don't, but don't try to force yourself to be someone you're not. You'll hurt yourself and you'll hurt whatever woman you force yourself on.  

[Silver Nephil]

Quote:

You'll hurt yourself and you'll hurt whatever woman you force yourself on.

I said that before. *waits for a cheese grater to the face as reads Qur'an*  

[vevettebunny]

Voldemort point two

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

Erm... wut?

I genuinely can't figure out what's attractive about women. I understand that men like tits, but I just have no idea why. To me, they're about as attractive as a pair of fried eggs. I mean, it's not a choice. I feel like a complete perv for saying this, but when I see hot guys getting changed, my heart beats faster and there are physical chemical things in my body that happen. They don't happen for women. Do I have a problem in my head? Am I a non-functioning member of society just because I won't have children, even though I have an IQ of over 120 and have a fantastic linguistic memory? (Also I'm really modest.)

The_Pathan

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

You're quite young. You probably aren't gay; lots of people are confused about their sexualities at your age. I heard a theory (my friend told me he read it somewhere but he forgot where, so this doesn't really count as part of any debate, but I just thought I'd mention it: only 10% of people are straight. 10% are gay, and the other 80% are bi, but most of those 80% go straight because of what's socially acceptable). It would also be incredibly cruel to whichever woman you marry, because she deserves a good man who loves her properly and can look after certain needs she has. I was actually considering doing what you've decided to do and marying a woman just to pretend to be straight. I even had several girlfriends. I found that I felt depressed when I was with girls, because it just wasn't who I was. I was even suicidal at one point, and felt awful whenever I watched gay porn. If your religion forbids having a boyfriend, then don't, but don't try to force yourself to be someone you're not. You'll hurt yourself and you'll hurt whatever woman you force yourself on.

eek reading tht was....scary xp  

[Silver Nephil]

busra96

Voldemort point two

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

Erm... wut?

I genuinely can't figure out what's attractive about women. I understand that men like tits, but I just have no idea why. To me, they're about as attractive as a pair of fried eggs. I mean, it's not a choice. I feel like a complete perv for saying this, but when I see hot guys getting changed, my heart beats faster and there are physical chemical things in my body that happen. They don't happen for women. Do I have a problem in my head? Am I a non-functioning member of society just because I won't have children, even though I have an IQ of over 120 and have a fantastic linguistic memory? (Also I'm really modest.)

The_Pathan

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

You're quite young. You probably aren't gay; lots of people are confused about their sexualities at your age. I heard a theory (my friend told me he read it somewhere but he forgot where, so this doesn't really count as part of any debate, but I just thought I'd mention it: only 10% of people are straight. 10% are gay, and the other 80% are bi, but most of those 80% go straight because of what's socially acceptable). It would also be incredibly cruel to whichever woman you marry, because she deserves a good man who loves her properly and can look after certain needs she has. I was actually considering doing what you've decided to do and marying a woman just to pretend to be straight. I even had several girlfriends. I found that I felt depressed when I was with girls, because it just wasn't who I was. I was even suicidal at one point, and felt awful whenever I watched gay porn. If your religion forbids having a boyfriend, then don't, but don't try to force yourself to be someone you're not. You'll hurt yourself and you'll hurt whatever woman you force yourself on.

eek reading tht was....scary xp

...How is it scary?  

[Wandertoal-Haqq]

Voldemort point two

The_Pathan

Busra can't u get it? It's normal to love girls, I mean they are hot??? but males who likes males they I think has a problem in their head! - no offence.

Erm... wut?

I genuinely can't figure out what's attractive about women. I understand that men like tits, but I just have no idea why. To me, they're about as attractive as a pair of fried eggs. I mean, it's not a choice. I feel like a complete perv for saying this, but when I see hot guys getting changed, my heart beats faster and there are physical chemical things in my body that happen. They don't happen for women. Do I have a problem in my head? Am I a non-functioning member of society just because I won't have children, even though I have an IQ of over 120 and have a fantastic linguistic memory? (Also I'm really modest.)

The_Pathan

Look, i'm HOMO, ok??? And I'm gonna marry a woman. So stop saying it's impossible to change, cuz if u love Allah then u will do anything.

You're quite young. You probably aren't gay; lots of people are confused about their sexualities at your age. I heard a theory (my friend told me he read it somewhere but he forgot where, so this doesn't really count as part of any debate, but I just thought I'd mention it: only 10% of people are straight. 10% are gay, and the other 80% are bi, but most of those 80% go straight because of what's socially acceptable). It would also be incredibly cruel to whichever woman you marry, because she deserves a good man who loves her properly and can look after certain needs she has. I was actually considering doing what you've decided to do and marying a woman just to pretend to be straight. I even had several girlfriends. I found that I felt depressed when I was with girls, because it just wasn't who I was. I was even suicidal at one point, and felt awful whenever I watched gay porn. If your religion forbids having a boyfriend, then don't, but don't try to force yourself to be someone you're not. You'll hurt yourself and you'll hurt whatever woman you force yourself on.

-sighs- You're missing the point though. We make sacrifices in this life to please our Lord so that we will be rewarded in the next life. It all depends on what you find important in your life. & I felt that chemical reaction when I used to see girls, BUT with proper mind change & thoughtful reflections, I realized that I was just a slave to my desires. I would rather be a slave to Allah. & now I don't feel those things for girls (nor do let myself think about those things for boys 'cause I don't want to have dirty, sinful thoughts so it's all about mind over matter overall). & you were young once, you were once questioning yourself as well so just because he made his choice doesn't mean he's wrong. I made my choice a few years ago & I'm completely content with my decision. I feel that people who are so ready to accept being gay are just surrendering to whatever they feel without being logical, which YOU CAN BE (I know it's possible, I do it all the time; weighing feelings vs mind is always a good thing to do when questioning oneself). Another point, it's not all about physical appearance. That's why we Muslim women wear hijab, so men aren't focused on how we look. I'm just saying. Who says he'd be forcing himself on anyone? -shakes head- We can't marry against someone's will anyhow (it's not allowed in Islam, though some people do it, but Islam shouldn't be judged for the actions of people). I think you're being very arrogant in your claims when you can't be that much older than any of us. & @Bursa, I agree. Slightly disturbing, but such is the world, unfortunately.  

[The_Pathan]

If a gay can keep his family, wife, and Allah happy. then what's the problem?

80% are not bisexual.

I'm pretty sure :O

Only gaians are like that xD!

Normal people are usually straight.

But homosexuality is a handicap, I got told that many teenagers got problems with their hormons or sumthing, which makes them like their same gender, and that's why I believe it's a handicap, not that all gays are crazy, though some are lol

Or they just look crazy because they act weird.

Silver Nephil, if u force urself to get a family, how will u hurt ur family??? As long as they are happy, and Allah, what's the problem?  

[Silver Nephil]

The_Pathan

If a gay can keep his family, wife, and Allah happy. then what's the problem?

80% are not bisexual.

I'm pretty sure :O

Only gaians are like that xD!

Normal people are usually straight.

But homosexuality is a handicap, I got told that many teenagers got problems with their hormons or sumthing, which makes them like their same gender, and that's why I believe it's a handicap, not that all gays are crazy, though some are lol

Or they just look crazy because they act weird.

Silver Nephil, if u force urself to get a family, how will u hurt ur family??? As long as they are happy, and Allah, what's the problem?

If you're gay and you force yourself into a heterosexual family unit, you're going to hurt them because every day you'll be fighting the need that your body is screaming for. Your wife and kids will be hurt because you'll act like a distant, moody a*****e, and when you finally do own up to the feelings, your wife will wonder why you married her and didn't tell her sooner and put yourself through hell. It will make your family feel like it's been a lie for however long you've been with them and just create a big mess.

I wouldn't know how to make Allah happy. I think my being alive in general just pisses Him off. *laughs*  

[Wandertoal-Haqq]

Silver Nephil

If you're gay and you force yourself into a heterosexual family unit, you're going to hurt them because every day you'll be fighting the need that your body is screaming for. Your wife and kids will be hurt because you'll act like a distant, moody a*****e, and when you finally do own up to the feelings, your wife will wonder why you married her and didn't tell her sooner and put yourself through hell. It will make your family feel like it's been a lie for however long you've been with them and just create a big mess.

I wouldn't know how to make Allah happy. I think my being alive in general just pisses Him off. *laughs*

You don't force yourself though. This is what no one is really getting. If you love Allah more than your desire for someone, then it will work out, insha'Allah. How would you know how anyone will surely act? It's their choice how they act. One can always tell the one they're marrying about their choice as well. I wouldn't be against marrying someone who was making that choice because I'd be very happy they were trying to please Allah & that they'd have chosen me as a wife to help them do so. Your generalizations are just that, generalizing for everyone which you cannot do since only Allah knows what's in the hearts of mankind. As for your last statement, Allah loves everyone, but He has a special love for those who do their complete best to please & worship Him alone. Just because people go astray doesn't mean He doesn't love them. The whole reason He sends hardships upon anyone is to turn them back to Him for help so they will follow Him & no other & realize only He can help them with anything.  

[The_Pathan]

I wouldn't mind marrying a lesbian, as long as I had 3 other wives. wink

Well, Silver Nephil, u can just tell that u are gay and ur trying to change, there is nothing to hide. Only very ego people act like asholes, nice people don't mind being sweet to their family even if they are gay.  

[Voldemort point two]

The_Pathan

Well, Silver Nephil, u can just tell that u are gay and ur trying to change, there is nothing to hide.

I don't think you get it. Women have certain needs that gay men can't really fulfil. Even if you did somehow get her pregnant - and it would probably involve either AIH, IVF or possibly just a good imagination - then your kids would probably be gay. The current theory is that sexuality is a mixture of environment and genes. You would pass on your gay genes on to your children. They'll hurt just as much as you, maybe even more because they would have a father pretending he's straight. Because, really, when people get religion involved in changing someone's sexuality, all that's going to happen is that the person is going to lie and say it worked. They're going to be even more miserable than before. I mean, really, just think about what you're doing. You have the right to ******** up your own life and make yourself feel miserable, but you have no right at all to hurt someone else, and to create children who you know are going to have a painful and hard life. If you did that, the only "ego" (I assume you mean "selfish") person would be you.

The_Pathan

Only very ego people act like asholes, nice people don't mind being sweet to their family even if they are gay.

If you're gay, you wouldn't have a family. Or, I suppose, you could, but no woman in her right mind would let a guy get her pregnant without even having sex with her. You also wouldn't be married at all, because marriages are only consumated when the couple have sex. I know you're only about twelve or something so you probably don't understand how sex works, but you need to be straight to have sex with a woman. If you pretend to be something you're not and limiting someone else in the process, then you're being an arsehole. There's no ******** argument about it.  

[Voldemort point two]

Endure Error

You don't force yourself though. This is what no one is really getting.

You can't make claims like that and then just not back them up. Back the claim up or ******** off and talk about something you understand, because you clearly don't know s**t about this.

Endure Error

I'd be very happy they were trying to please Allah & that they'd have chosen me as a wife to help them do so.

I really doubt you would. It wouldn't be a marriage so much as just one gay man trying to delude himself and pretend he's something he's not, and one woman pretending she's happy with that. They wouldn't be able to do anything normal couples do. He wouldn't enjoy hugging her, he wouldn't want to kiss her or even to hold her hand, let alone the sex and children.

The_Pathan

Normal people are usually straight.

Back up that claim.

The_Pathan

But homosexuality is a handicap, I got told that many teenagers got problems with their hormons or sumthing, which makes them like their same gender, and that's why I believe it's a handicap

Whoa, s**t! You actually backed up a claim! Shame it's backed up with utter bullshit, though. It's hormones, not hormons. And, that's simply the opinion of whichever idiot you asked, not actual science. While it's true that a lot of teenagers are sexually confused, it's far more likely that this is because most people are bisexual, but they surpress the homosexual side of their feelings because of what's "socially acceptable." Just look at what the Ancient Greeks and Romans did when it was socially acceptable.  

[Silver Nephil]

Voldemort point two

Just look at what the Ancient Greeks and Romans did when it was socially acceptable.

It wasn't just the Ancient Greeks and Romans. It was also the Ancient Israelites, the Native Americans and the clans in Africa, the Pacific Islanders, Germanic peoples, Celts, Japanese, Chinese, Muslims, and Christians during the Middle Ages. I found this out by reading a rather interesting, well-researched book by a man named James Neill.