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Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:04 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:16 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 10:44 am
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This reminds me of a few things.
1)In 7th or 8th grade, I was playing Dominoes with my stepdad and my mom's friend George. About half way through the game, my stepdad and George start smoking a joint. George keeps passing it to me because a)he's a moron and can't tell me from my mom and b)because he keeps forgetting I don't smoke.
2) My boyfriend has done just about every drug there is. He has even been addicted to most of them. But luckily, he has kicked most of the addictions. Now he only does marijuana on occasions. I myself have never done any drugs recreationally. But after going to the dentist and absolutely loving the high I got off of laughing gas (he did that for a while too), I've decided they're not all that bad. In fact, if I get to stay with him for his 20th birthday, I am gonig to try marijuana for my first time. And a whole lot of drinking (which I already know I love).
3) When my family came to visit last weekend, I took my cousin Seth into my room to watch anime. While I was making my bed comfortable to lay on (because of where my TV is positioned), he said "Why do you have weed in your room?" I said I didn't, but then I saw that someone had put two bags of weed in a box in my room. It must have been at least a half pound. I said 'Oh. I guess I do." It turns out someone who shall not be named, put it in there because he had been sleeping in my room.
Okay. That's about it lol.
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:36 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 6:05 pm
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 2:19 am
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 1:08 pm
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Winter Black Whats worse is they force that on Canada, too, who KNOW''S there''s nothing wrong with Pot, and wants to Legalize It. But America, so I''ve heard, has threatend war if we do.
Amaerica''s never threatened war over the legalization of pot. They actually can''t openly threaten that, due to international law. And speaking as a Canadian, there''s plenty of resistance within Canada against the legalization of pot which is not American. Let''s not bash here. There''s been research done on both sides of the fence, and both focus in on their own results to try and discredit the other. There''s a growing support movement for the legalization of pot, but it''s still considerably small yet. They''ve got a political party, yes, but that really doesn''t mean a whole lot.
Now as far as drug use goes with magick, I don''t think it''s the greatest idea, just as I don''t think mixing alcohol is. Especially with ritual work, I believe that a clear mind is necessary in order to properly focus energy. Also, it''s illegal, and that''s some negative mojo brewing right there that can get attached to the work. I could see where the use of some natural substances could be of some use, but it''s not a part of my practice. If I can''t do something on my own, I''m not about to seek alternate means. I''d far sooner the challenge of working on my own, and so far it''s served me well.
Winter Black If you become dependant on something like Pain Killers or Pot, you''re pretty much an idiot. If you can''t kick the addiction, you''re even stupider. Addiction is all in the mind.
Take some basic biology/psychology. There is a physical componant to all addictions, as any chemical substance introduced into the body affects chemical levels in the brain. This is what causes addiction, as the natural levels decrease as the foreign one increases. Over time, the natural levels are simply not what they used to be, and the synthetic is needed in order to enduce a sensation of "normal." This is why it''s called addiction.
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Posted: Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:53 pm
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Drugs for spiritual purposes?
It's a dangerous road. The existing literature on the subject is phantasmagorically garbled, and reliable sources on the subject are hard to come by.
Using drugs addictively is completely counterproductive if you want to use the same ones for serious magical work. This kind of thing requires respect and diligence. Ritual is not a good excuse for casual drug use, either. Well, maybe I'm wrong in certain cases, depending on the energy one is hypothetically working with... but these practices are illegal almost everywhere in the world, so I must advise that no-one ever use any drug whatsoever under any circumstances.
By the way,
1. Ephedrine comes from the ephedra plant. In the US, it is illegal in pure form because it is a chemical precursor sought by amphetamine manufacturers. It is not commercially available unless it contains a nauseating dose of guaifenesin, which renders it harder for thrill-seekers to abuse. The ancient Persians used to make a sort of chai with the crushed raw ephedra plant. Epinephrine is something else entirely.
2. There is a difference between over-the-conter analgesics and painkillers. OTC analgesics include aspirin, Aleve, acetaminophen, and Ibuprofen. Painkillers include hydrocodone, oxycodone, methadone, codeine, morphine, and demerol- all of which are highly addictive and profoundly intoxicating. To make a statement saying that "painkillers are not addictive" is demonstrably untrue, as well as irresponsible.
3. There are some synthetic drugs with a powerful entheogenic effect that are nearly harmless. There are also some drugs made from raw natural ingredients that could kill a person instantly. The natural vs. synthetic debate rages on, with points scored by both sides. Again, I personally recommend circumventing this entire argument by not using drugs at all. Ever. Nope, not even a little one.
4. Against my better judgement, I always seem to enter threads where drugs are under discussion, because for some reason Gaia attracts a lot of bizarre and often spurious information on the subject. I'm going to go post somewhere "wholesome" now.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 9:29 am
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Posted: Sun Aug 07, 2005 10:17 am
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Atma311 Nihilistic Seraph No, I'm pretty sure there is an addiction. it's just not that strong, but it's there. A frind of mine decided to stop smoking pot because it was completely screwing up his grades, and he didn't have to many problems dropping it. It's a very weak addiction, but I'm sure its there. If I've been informed correctly, the addiction is mental, not really physical like with the hard stuff. I could be wrong, but that's just what i was told sweatdrop
Actually, there is no hard core evidence of an addicting substance in marijuana at all, compared to legal substances like cigarettes. The addicting substance in cigarettes is nicotine, and while health teachers constantly imply that a joint is 4 cigarettes. Well, they are being rather vague as to how a joint measures 4 cigarettes. Really experts are measuring the amounts of THC when comparing the two drug substances, but marijuana tends to be more potent, obviously, though marijuana contains no nicotine. So it's not really an addiction if someone is a pot head. They just like the high, which can be compared to a person who really likes to read a lot.
God I hated health. That class was a joke.
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Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 10:06 am
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