Mother Brain

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

NachoDude

Well, in my absence this topic has flourished, and is filled to the brim with intelligent conversation. Anyway, my take after playing Corruption: Mother Brain = built/designed by Chozo, Aurora Unit = based on MB design. As you can see, there is a large difference between the Aurora's and MB, as MB is much more brain-like. I'm not sure about the MB in Super Metroid being different, but it's a possibility. What if, the Space Pirates used the Aurora they stole to rebuild the original MB? Using the design of the AU as a starting point, they restored the original. Sorry if nothing is making sense right now, I am in swimming (which is why I haven't been here) and can barely move my arms I'm so tired from a three weeks of swimming laps.

I would disagree with the large differences between the Aurora Units and Mother Brain. Aside from the fact that Mother Brain is more 'brain-like', the Auroras still have a similar shape . . . they both store massive quantities of information . . . and they are both held in similar tanks.

Also, the Space Pirates couldn't have rebuilt the original Mother Brain, seeing as it was technically destroyed in the explosion on Zebes. The Aurora preview video somewhat retcons the previous theory that the Metroid and Super Metroid Mother Brains were the same.

In order for the Space Pirates to have a Mother Brain for Super Metroid, they would either have to start from scratch with their previously gained knowledge of the Aurora Units, or they would have to steal another Aurora Unit.

I would say they stole another Aurora, namely 242, for my reasons stated above. Besides, it would be rather unrealistic for them to build an Aurora Unit after just having lost a great deal of their force from the incident on Phaaze.  

[-The Gray Legend-]

Saiyan Master Vegeta

@ Wii4Mii: To answer your question, no, the Federation never interacted with the Chozo.

Your theory is excellent, however it also wouldn't make sense for the Federation to create a blueprint with that environment. Reason being, it is solely found on Zebes, and nowhere else. They would also be copying the Space Pirate design in that case. If I recall correctly, the Federation has canonically never even been to planet Zebes either.

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I also noticed 2 very specific things within the Aurora preview video.

1 - If you listen carefully, 242's speech pattern alters for a brief moment. Here's what I mean:

"20 years ago, a team of Federation scientists announced the birth of an organic supercomputer. It's name was (slight pause), Aurora."

This odd use of the past tense could imply that the Auroras are old news, and that the new 'Mother Brain' has taken control.

2 - During the scene where it shows the blueprint, again, if you listen very carefully, you'll hear a familiar sound in the background. It's the music you hear on Zebes (from Super Metroid) when you enter a room with an item upgrade.

Mother Brain is only ever found on Zebes, implying that the Aurora in the blueprint has something to do with planet Zebes, meaning that it could easily be the Super Metroid Mother Brain.

Yeah, I heard that music. Very good observation.

However, I think the reason they used Past Tense was just to show that they were naming the first one twenty years ago biggrin  

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

I just found it rather odd how instead of saying . . .

"It's name was Aurora."

. . . they said . . .

"It's name (slight pause) was (slight pause) Aurora."

It might not be worth much, but I believe it has some kind of significance, especially if 242 was talking while under the Space Pirates' control.  

[-The Gray Legend-]

Saiyan Master Vegeta

I just found it rather odd how instead of saying . . .

"It's name was Aurora."

. . . they said . . .

"It's name (slight pause) was (slight pause) Aurora."

It might not be worth much, but I believe it has some kind of significance, especially if 242 was talking while under the Space Pirates' control.

Actually that poses a good point, the fact that they used past tense is probably because the Aurora Unit program might have gotten shut down. Why? After the Space Pirates stole 313 and 242 and used them to pose major threats to the Federation, the Federation finally decided to shut down the program, or at least create a brand new kind of supercomputer that replaced the Aurora Units.

Due to said replacement, Mother Brain said "its name WAS Aurora".  

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

Agreed. The Auroras most likely ceased to exist between the time of Prime 3 and Metroid II.

Maybe we'll get to see more information on the Auroras / Mother Brain in the next Metroid game. However, this would depend on where Nintendo makes the game fall under in the Metroid timeline.  

[FFVIIbusterbladeClOuD]

but hang on, do we know how much time there is between prime 3 and m2????because, if its not that much time, then the aurora could be mother brain the 2nd.And, AU 313 does get destroyed obviousley, but what about dark samus?wasn't she destroyed at the end of prime 2(cause i dont know)?Then she came back for prime 3, right?well then whose to say she doesn't come back yet again?Dark samus is one crazy freak, so DS could be the cause of some later things in the Metroid series???????  

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

No, we don't know how much time passed between Prime 3 and Metroid II.

Nintendo announced that Prime 3 was the final game of the "Prime" series, and keep in mind, this series completely revolved around Phazon, meaning that future games won't have the same concept. Given this to be true, Dark Samus won't be around in other games due to the fact that she's predominantly made of Phazon.

Besides that, the planet she was on exploded, giving her a ridiculously slim chance of survival.  

[FFVIIbusterbladeClOuD]

true..didnt think about that  

[-The Gray Legend-]

Here's something: Wikitroid states that the GFS Olympus is 20 years old at the events of Metroid Prime 3. I also read somewhere that it is an Olympus-class frigate. Olympus class battleships were the first ships to gain an Aurora Unit. And it says that the GFS Olympus was the first ship of its size to gain an Aurora Unit.

This leads me to believe that the production of Olympus-class battleships and Aurora Units were not at all parallel.

I don't know how this is relevant to the topic at hand, but I figured I'd point it out in case it's important in the near future.

Sources:

Wikitroid

The GFS Olympus is a Galactic Federation ship that appears in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption. It is the first area Samus Aran explores. The Olympus is home to a variety of crew members, including Marines, Troopers (who have little combat training and are instead often specialists) and techs (who are in high demand and often overpaid). The docking bay Samus lands in has a small area for using the Training Drones, which are used by the soldiers aboard for training and entertainment. At the time of Metroid Prime 3, the GFS Olympus is 20 years old and is stated as being the first ship of its size to receive an Aurora Unit. The Aurora Unit 242, is a female personality whose integration into the Olympus' systems means the ship needs less crew than other kinds of ships of similar size, leaving more space over to weapons systems. The Olympus is captained by Admiral Castor Dane, and is based around Norion.

Wikitroid

The Olympus-Class battleship is the first Federation capital ship designed to use an onboard Aurora Unit. They are the flagships of the fleets they serve in, usually commanded by an officer of flag rank. Battleships of this class have smaller crews than most ships of a similar size to due the presences of the Aurora Unit. The space saved in crew support is used for more battle systems. The enormous vessels are powered by Fuel Gel, making the scarce commodity of extreme value to the Federation military.

 

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

I'm wondering how they know it's 20 years old. I don't recall that being stated in Prime 3.

As well, how would they know that the techs are overpaid? It seems to me like they're making a few assumptions.  

[-The Gray Legend-]

Saiyan Master Vegeta

I'm wondering how they know it's 20 years old. I don't recall that being stated in Prime 3.

As well, how would they know that the techs are overpaid? It seems to me like they're making a few assumptions.

The logbook entry on the technicians states that they are overpaid. The logbook entry on the Olympus probably says it's 20 years old. I haven't looked.  

[Saiyan Master Vegeta]

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Although I scanned just about everything during my first run-through of Prime 3, I probably didn't pay attention to those little details.  

[Pseudo-Onkelos]

I took note of everyone here who was discussing the association between the Aurora Units (AU hereafter) and Mother Brain.

Saiyan Master Vegeta

Mother Brain was first seen in Metroid. Due to updated information from Zero Mission (a retelling of Metroid), we know that the area where Mother Brain was located (on Zebes) blew up, suggesting that Mother Brain did not survive. However, this is not known for sure, and almost disproved by Super Metroid.

It is quite apparent that the Mother Brain did not survive, hence Samus Aran defeating her prior to the self-destruct sequence. Super Metroid was the third game of the Metroid series. I'm sure that the creators of Metroid weren't concerned, if at all, with Mother Brain, Ridley, and even Kraid making a return with a few extra bosses and sub-bosses. But, because we are theorizing on these matters, we may presume that Mother Brain, after having been destroyed, was quickly taken by the Space Pirates and resuscitated like Ridley was. Or we can assume that the first Mother Brain was not created by hands, but was already a living creature.

In Metroid, if you do not press Start, a message comes up, and it takes note of Mother Brain, calling her "that mechanical life vein" We also find a similar message in Metroid: Zero Mission, as well as in the Metroid Fusion Instruction Manual. Mother Brain is not simply biological, but is also mechanical. What of the AUs? But the issue lies within the time frame itself. Is the Mother Brain a creation of the Chozo, a prototype, as it were? Or is the Mother Brain, AU 242?

Saiyan Master Vegeta

In this game, I believe many people mistook Aurora Unit 313 for Mother Brain. To back this up, I checked Wikipedia before Prime 3's release, and it said Mother Brain was included. Now many days after the game's release, I checked back on the 'Mother Brain' page, and under the list of appearances in games, Prime 3 was removed.

And rightfully so. After you connect the dots, it is apparent that AU 313 is not Mother Brain. The Space Pirates stole the AU 313. Where do we fine AU 313? On planet Phaaze. Thus, the speculation that AU 313 is Mother Brain is easily dismissed.

Saiyan Master Vegeta

-stuff about "Metroid Dread"-

I wish someone would show me an actual Nintendo source that even stated that this rumored "Metroid Dread" was actual. This kind of thing has already been dealt with by me, here at Metroid.eu.

Saiyan Master Vegeta

"20 years ago, a team of Federation scientists announced the birth of an organic supercomputer. It's name was (slight pause), Aurora."

This odd use of the past tense could imply that the Auroras are old news, and that the new 'Mother Brain' has taken control.

There is nothing unusual about the past tense. The person speaking is speaking about twenty years ago. It would not make any sense to say, "Twenty years ago, a team of Federation scientists announced the birth of an organic supercomputer. Its name is Aurora." Is the speaker speaking about the past, and the immediately stating the present?

Saiyan Master Vegeta

During the scene where it shows the blueprint, again, if you listen very carefully, you'll hear a familiar sound in the background. It's the music you hear on Zebes (from Super Metroid) when you enter a room with an item upgrade.

And? What does that prove? I am not disagreeing with you, simply for the reason that the Space Pirate Ki-Hunters, according to the Super Metroid Instruction Manual, helped rebuild Tourian in a different location. But the music is not a dead giveaway. We find similar Metroid themes in other Metroid games that are heard in Metroid and Super Metroid, but is located elsewhere. Red Brinstar and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes comes to mind.  

[-The Gray Legend-]

Here's something I found. In MP3 when you're in the gunship and looking at the many landing sites on the Space Pirate Homeworld, look in the distance just above the Leviathan Battleship. It's the GFS Valhalla! Which means that the Valhalla and the Homeworld were very close by to each other. Which means that either the Valhalla was sent near the Homeworld for a reason, or it was blind and the Space Pirates picked up their signal first.

I know they say in Prime 3 that they've never seen the Homeworld before. But after what happened in Fusion, I'm not sure how much the Federation can be trusted.

If it's the Pirates who found the GFS Valhalla first, then here's what might have happened: They find the ship by picking up the signal sent out by Aurora Unit 313. After further remote studies, they discover that the Aurora Unit is something so amazing that they must have it for themselves. So Dark Samus orders the Pirates to attack the ship and take the Aurora Unit. After taking it and doing some immense study, they make their own blueprints of it, and couple it with their records of Mother Brain on Zebes to make plans for a new Mother Brain. When AU 313 and Phaaze are destroyed, the Pirates decide it's time to put these plans into action and construct the Mother Brain of Super Metroid.