Enthusiasts--Your Next Gun?

[Floyd]

And here I thought we were discussing early cartridge rifles.

The Henry line of rifles date back to the Civil War, predating the Winchester lever action.

I wouldn't mind having an original one secured in my rifle safe. But I'd rather have a reproduction to shoot for fun.

http://www.emf-company.com/1860-henry-rifle.htm  

[Stoic Socialist]

Yeah.

I'd feel bad if I shot a Civil-War-Era rifle.  

[lance vahari]

Floyd

And here I thought we were discussing early cartridge rifles.

The Henry line of rifles date back to the Civil War, predating the Winchester lever action.

I wouldn't mind having an original one secured in my rifle safe. But I'd rather have a reproduction to shoot for fun.

http://www.emf-company.com/1860-henry-rifle.htm

The only thing I don't like about the Civil War era Henry rifles is the lack of wooden handguard.  

[OberFeldwebel]

boogiemonster

Floyd

And here I thought we were discussing early cartridge rifles.

The Henry line of rifles date back to the Civil War, predating the Winchester lever action.

I wouldn't mind having an original one secured in my rifle safe. But I'd rather have a reproduction to shoot for fun.

http://www.emf-company.com/1860-henry-rifle.htm

The only thing I don't like about the Civil War era Henry rifles is the lack of wooden handguard.

Hmm, nice looking though.
If they ever made one with a Blued frame I'd buy one.  

[Old Lord Brocktree]

The Henry was made by Winchester, and was named the Henry because the man who designed it, was named Henry and worked as supervisor of the factory where it was first made.

the Winchester is actually a modified version of the Henry. Removing the loading slot from just below the muzzle and placing it at the back, making it reloadable mid firing.

And the Krag is actually a fairly new rifle in the 19th century, 1888 official adoption by Norway and the US.So, not really that old by that stand point.

Designed two years prior, and survived till about 1904 then production stopped.  

[uryu ishida]

Still haven't found out what it is myself stressed I'll either bug the hell out of the person getting it for me, or else we'll all have to wait till March.  

[Floyd]

Old Lord Brocktree

The Henry was made by Winchester, and was named the Henry because the man who designed it, was named Henry and worked as supervisor of the factory where it was first made.

the Winchester is actually a modified version of the Henry. Removing the loading slot from just below the muzzle and placing it at the back, making it reloadable mid firing.

You learn something new everyday around here.

From http://www.rarewinchesters.com/articles/art_hen_01.shtml

Quote:

The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company began producing rifles and pistols in early 1856. These weapons used the "Rocket-ball" cartridge that consisted of a bullet with a hollow cavity in the base which contained the powder charge. A priming cap held the powder in place and provided ignition. This ammunition was a grossly underpowered round and was made in either .31 caliber or .41 caliber. Muzzle energy was not impressive, at only 56 foot pounds of energy.(32)

The frame of the Volcanic rifles were made of brass. Brass was easier to work with as well as not rusting as iron would. Pistols in .31 caliber were made in either 4 or 6 inch barrels holding 6 or 10 shots respectively. The .41 caliber pistol came with either a 6 or 8 inch barrel holding 8 or 10 shots. A Carbine was produced in 3 barrel lengths, 16 inches holding 20 shots, 20 inches holding 25 shots and 24 inches holding 30 shots. All of these were manufactured in .41 caliber. The ammunition was held in a tubular magazine beneath the barrel that was loaded from the top by pivoting the top few inches of the barrel housing.(32)

The Volcanic arms had several problems such as gas leakage from around the breech, multiple charges going off at the same time, and misfires. Misfired rounds would have to be tapped out with a cleaning rod as the gun had no means of extraction. The fact the "Rocket-ball" ammunition was too underpowered to be considered a hunting weapon or a man-stopper was another disadvantage. Two advantages the Volcanic carbines had was a rapid rate of fire and it's ammunition was waterproof.(32)

Oliver Winchester, the company's second president, was forced to use much of his private funds to keep the company afloat. However this did not last long. On February 18, 1857, The Volcanic Repeating Arms Company was declared insolvent. Its biggest creditor was Oliver Winchester. He was given the major assets of the company. Winchester then employed Benjamin Tyler Henry.

On October 16, 1860, Henry was granted a patent for a new rifle and ammunition, patent number 30,446.(32) The 1860 patent had been assigned to Oliver F. Winchester but the guns were actually made by B. Tyler Henry at the company plant at 9 Artizan Street, New Haven, Connecticut on an inside contract basis. In the process, the basic patent of 1854, held by Oliver Winchester, was also utilized.(37)

So it seems that Oliver Winchester didn't invent the first practical cartridge gun after all. He. like Bill Gates, obtained the ideas from others and improved on them.

I stand corrected.  

[Old Lord Brocktree]

Ah, the Volcano. Always a fun one.

they also made a pistol that worked on the same principle, it was a lever action pistol.

I wasn't sure just when the Volcano had been produced, but I know it was around about the same time as the Henry.

EDIT: Are we including Pin fire weapons? Because they were cartridge guns, and one in my book dates to 1853, I'll keep looking though.

And what about paper cartridges? do we count those?  

[Floyd]

Old Lord Brocktree

Ah, the Volcano. Always a fun one.

they also made a pistol that worked on the same principle, it was a lever action pistol.

I wasn't sure just when the Volcano had been produced, but I know it was around about the same time as the Henry.

EDIT: Are we including Pin fire weapons? Because they were cartridge guns, and one in my book dates to 1853, I'll keep looking though.

And what about paper cartridges? do we count those?

You mean like the Chassepot?

http://www.gunsworld.com/french/gras/cha_his_us.html
http://www.gunsworld.com/french/gras/cha_ga_us.html  

[Old Lord Brocktree]

Floyd

Old Lord Brocktree

Ah, the Volcano. Always a fun one.

they also made a pistol that worked on the same principle, it was a lever action pistol.

I wasn't sure just when the Volcano had been produced, but I know it was around about the same time as the Henry.

EDIT: Are we including Pin fire weapons? Because they were cartridge guns, and one in my book dates to 1853, I'll keep looking though.

And what about paper cartridges? do we count those?

You mean like the Chassepot?

http://www.gunsworld.com/french/gras/cha_his_us.html
http://www.gunsworld.com/french/gras/cha_ga_us.html

Germans had the Dreese needle gun.

But I was thinking like the Sharps or some others.  

[OberFeldwebel]

I still haven't been able to get that damn Tokarev that I've been wanting to get, and the next damn chance I get, I probably wont be able to get it because Hillary ******** will s**t all over that for me by that time.  

[Requiem ex Inferni]

Unfortunately, I have to wait another year before I can legally buy one.

My first guns are most likely going to be my grandfather's double-barreled shotgun and Winchester rifle, and then I have to find a way to a) obtain them legally, since I live in California, and b) transfer them up from Huntington Beach to Sacramento.