Goths & Cartoons [Updated 3/23/08]

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-sighs, smiles- Marilyn Manson is such a great example... -laughs and laughs and laughs-

 

[Spooky Wasabi Princess]

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I can't think of anything from children's cartoons. I've only been watching teen and up animation lately. I'm so ashamed.
Oh wait, would characters from animated family films count? Because there was this one girl in Meet the Robinsons... so sterotypical, and yet I love her.
Teacher: And here's Lizzie with her... fire ant farm. *sigh* Lizzie, we talked about this...
Scienist: Don't they bite?
Lizzie: Only my enemies.

Yes, yes, definately building into the dramatic, violent sterotype, but I think in this case and cases like it, they chose to make the character goth because they were creepy, not they decided to make the character creepy because it is a goth.
Lizzie, for example, was clearly meant to resemble Wensday Addams; so that we can simply look at her and think "scary little girl."
I can't say anything bad about trying to look like Wensday Addams, she was my fricken hero growing up and I've tried to look like her many a time. Having black hair might make that easier now. Sorry, tangent.

She was awesome. I wanted there to be more of her in the movie!

She only had one line in the whole movie,right?

Something like that. Too bad!  

[NekoYasha09er]

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-sighs, smiles- Marilyn Manson is such a great example... -laughs and laughs and laughs-

~*laughes*~ I remember that episode. It made me laugh a lot.  

[GilAskan]

First page, updated.

Also, I'd like to guide conversation, if possible.

How do you think the representation of goths in children's cartoons will affect modern children today when they become teenagers 5 - 10 years from now? Will there be a greater inclination towards the style, or lesser? Greater acceptance or more jokes against?  

[perrenthezombie]

I watched that 6teen episode. That's one of the silliest/stupidest "make-fun-of-goths" episodes of any show I've ever seen.
"So where did you get that dark and dreaded dog collar?"
"Pet Planet." rofl

Lovely corpse paint, by the way. -_-'  

[perrenthezombie]

GilAskan

How do you think the representation of goths in children's cartoons will affect modern children today when they become teenagers 5 - 10 years from now? Will there be a greater inclination towards the style, or lesser? Greater acceptance or more jokes against?

hmm. First of all, I know there's lots of disagreement about what goth is exactly and whether you are born a goth or not. I think that some people are naturally inclined toward it, for whatever reason.

I know that I first learned about "goths"[eh..pseudogoths.] through tv shows, and even with the overexaggerations and negative depictions of them, I always admired them and wanted to be one of them. I knew I wouldn't be as ridiculously serious or mean as wednesday addams or anything, but they always seemed to share my attitude and tastes in clothing and music.

I think seeing "goths" on tv mostly just gave me my first exposure to the culture. I would have liked them whether they were shown in a good or bad light. The fact that they were often shown negatively probably made me wait longer to "go goth" [ie wearing the clothing, speaking more openly about weird interests/obsessions..] simply for fear of what my family and friends would think. For people who don't naturally gravitate toward goth...The media definately has a large impact on how they view goths. I would think that showing actual goth culture, and not promoting mallgoth stereotypes, would help. It's nice when shows have 'normal' goth characters, like sam from danny phantom, (as was said before) which seem to help perpetuate the "we look weird, but we're really no different from you" idea. xp
So. I guess the more exposure it gets, the more people will be into it. But if it becomes a bigger part of culture in general, it will be made fun of more. It kind of depends which way it goes: if it develops into a new-goth poser sort of thing, like emo did (which, sadly, it kind of has and probably will more in the future) it will probably be made fun of more.  

[Rellik San]

No effect, kids are smarter then those shows give them credit for and recognise the fact that these are just archetypes of a certain type of person. The fact is, I think inclination towards the style, depends entirely on that kids tastes and influences. A prime example would be both myself and my best friend, both grew up with the same types of influences, we like most of the same things, but we branch out, for example because of his home life, he tends to like more trendy fashions and popular music, where as I obviously prefer anything with a funny logo and listen to heavy metal.

Despite that fact however, the representation of goths within our childhood media, was that of a very very negative one, but both of us are accepting of the style.  

[GilAskan]

I don't think we'll see a massive influx into the culture because of the cartoons, but I wouldn't doubt that we see more of the fashion. In particular, I think a lot of kids will probably be more comfortable casually wearing goth fashion, even if they have no interest or experience with the culture.  

[NekoYasha09er]

I think it will all depend on the children. When I was growing up and saw the goth or gothic themes in tv shows actually drew me into the culture because it was different and dark. It just all depends on how the show puts the goth culture in the light. Whether a good way or a bad way.