How tough is too tough?

[Floyd]

OK, fair warning. This involves some now common plot points from the popular movie Cloverfield. Despite the fact it is not a zombie movie, it involves a plot point I feel should be explored.

Don't read on from this point unless you've already seen the film or don't give a s**t about spoilers.




Still here? Good.

The last 15 minutes of the movie involve the air force dropping tons of targeted munitions on the monster after 6 hours of tank fire and missile attacks from fighter jets. Direct hits with 2000 pound bombs dropped from a B2 bomber. And nothing fazed it. Not so much as a visible scratch. And it doesn't slow down.

And at the end of the film, an unknown explosive weapon was dropped on it, with a cryptic comment recorded on the camera claiming the creature survived the final attack that leveled Manhattan Island.

This brings me to the point of this undead thread. How powerful can flesh and bone be to resist a full onslaught by the biggest and most powerful ordinance the US military possess today without being so unrealistic that it is laughable?

I mean, come on! Most of the members of this group have a realistic idea of what heavy weapons can do. Nothing made out of genetic material such as flesh could resist damage from forces that extreme.

So, is a creature, living or dead, that can't be wounded too much of a cheat?  

[OberFeldwebel]

RAR!
GODMODE!

Anyways, unless that creature has a really thick exoskeleton I don't see how it could have survived that crap.
Besides, if they dropped firebombs on it the oxygen would get sucked up and the thing would be roasted like a Lobster... mmm Crack out the Drawn butter and you have yourself one tasty defeat. wink  

[Stoic Socialist]

If we're talking about a monster, then I'd safely bet that we won't have to worry about it.
If it's exoskeleton were to be that thick, then it'd be a space monster and we're truly screwed, or then it'd consume so many calories that it'd get malnutrition and die of starvation [or it'd just lay and sleep, letting us humans successfully analyze the body to find its weakspots].

As per zombies: Don't even worry about.
If it were to be that strong, then there's two things that could happen.
A.) The zombies would be superstrong, and super heavy, it'd take several years for the complete incubation/growing period.
Which's more than enough time for the government to quarantine the area.
Or B.) God made it that way, and he's ridding the earth of unwanted sinners. If he wants you to die, you'll die.
But that doesn't mean stop trying, do your best.  

[exploding-waffles]

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.
also, how do you know they were 2000?
they looked smaller than that.
however if the strength comes from the depths, it does not explain why the mini monsters were weak hided.
perhaps it simply has immense regenerating powers, evidence by how it would be affected breifely then re attack?
also why were the "lungs" on its head not more vulnerable?
they looked like air sacs, but were not burst at all.
you would think a tank shell to that area could go strait to the brain.  

[Floyd]

exploding-waffles

also, how do you know they were 2000?
they looked smaller than that.

Trust me. If someone called for an air strike after 5 hours of constant shelling by land and air resources and nothing touched it by that time, they wouldn't be dicking around with 500 pound weapons. The air force would be dumping laser or GPS targeted precision guided bombs to try and minimize the collateral damage.

If you ever see that scene with the folks in the helicopter who had the front row seat for that bomb run, look at the scale of the explosions. It was at least a block and a half long and made a mess of the high rises around the monster. The resulting dust and smoke obscured the whole creature for a few seconds.

Some quick resources for reference:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/index.html
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/lgb.htm  

[Stoic Socialist]

exploding-waffles

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.

I forgot what principal it was, but for an object to not cave in from immense pressure, it'd need to push out that same pressure.

If an astronaut goes to space without a spacesuit, he explodes.
Why?
Because the liquids in his body push out, and there's no atmosphere, or not enough, to push those liquids down.

If an deep-sea fish comes out from the deep-sea, what happens?
It just falls apart.  

[Thdark]

Stoic Socialist

exploding-waffles

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.

If an deep-sea fish comes out from the deep-sea, what happens?
It just falls apart.

As far as we know yes. The Giant Squid lives in deep depths but has been seen rather close to the surface.
Angler fish are also used for cooking, and are the most well known deep sea fish. I don't cook much, but the Angler Fish I've seen being prepared are well intact.

Then again, this is not my area of expertise, this is just based on my limited information on this subject :/

 

[Stoic Socialist]

Thdark

Stoic Socialist

exploding-waffles

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.

If an deep-sea fish comes out from the deep-sea, what happens?
It just falls apart.

As far as we know yes. The Giant Squid lives in deep depths but has been seen rather close to the surface.
Angler fish are also used for cooking, and are the most well known deep sea fish. I don't cook much, but the Angler Fish I've seen being prepared are well intact.

Then again, this is not my area of expertise, this is just based on my limited information on this subject :/

I didn't say explode, I just said fall-apart.  

[Thdark]

Stoic Socialist

Thdark

Stoic Socialist

exploding-waffles

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.

If an deep-sea fish comes out from the deep-sea, what happens?
It just falls apart.

As far as we know yes. The Giant Squid lives in deep depths but has been seen rather close to the surface.
Angler fish are also used for cooking, and are the most well known deep sea fish. I don't cook much, but the Angler Fish I've seen being prepared are well intact.

Then again, this is not my area of expertise, this is just based on my limited information on this subject :/

I didn't say explode, I just said fall-apart.

If they fall apart, why is it I can buy a perfectly intact Angler fish?

I never even said explode either :I

 

[Stoic Socialist]

Your eyes are lieing to you.  

[Thdark]

Again emo ?

 

[Stoic Socialist]

Thdark

Again emo ?

Again. neutral  

[exploding-waffles]

Stoic Socialist

exploding-waffles

well its supposed to be from the sea, so it has to withstand immense pressure, so it probably has a pretty tough hide.

I forgot what principal it was, but for an object to not cave in from immense pressure, it'd need to push out that same pressure.

If an astronaut goes to space without a spacesuit, he explodes.
Why?
Because the liquids in his body push out, and there's no atmosphere, or not enough, to push those liquids down.

If an deep-sea fish comes out from the deep-sea, what happens?
It just falls apart.

i think astronauts work on the reverse principal, that there is greater pressure in the suit (and your flesh) then outside, but it remains true.