dTranquility
And no one is trying to reply to this post. stare
When I have brought this up, it is called polytheism and spit on. This is no different from the polytheists. The thing I dislike about Islam the most is the hypocrisy- The Qur'an is littered with it, it starts claiming that Jews and Christians are fine and good people and that women are to be treated like everyone else as they have the same souls and minds as men. Then it goes on to bash jews and christians.
I assume from that that you're not a Muslim either?
Anyway, it's not polytheism. The God of Christianity (I'll call Him Jehovah and the God of Islam Allah in this post to avoid confusion) has different names. I realise it's something different because of the fact that there are three "parts" to Him and it's too complicated to go into here. To save confusion, I'll just concentrate on Jehovah the Father.
The Bible refers to Him as different names. For example, Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace. Does the face that He is a Wonderful Counselor and a Prince of Peace mean that He is two seperate enteties? No. I guess Muslims believe the same about Allah.
And what if one group called His creative part Brahma, his destructive part Shiva and his protective/maintaining part Vishnu? Does that mean the must be three different things, considering that they are all one in Brahman?
The God of Christianity AND Islam are both YHWH. Jehova was a mistranslation in german, I think, which was either a mistake or done to keep people from saying the name of God in vain.
I don't think Hindus know that they are worshiping one god. They think they are worshiping different entities. Different gods. That's why they are consider polytheism. Unless if we study properly about Hinduism, we will know that they are worshiping one god, not many. Most people don't know this, including Hindu. What will they think if they know they are worshiping one god? But not many?
This is just what I can think about from a person who was Hindu and now he is a Muslim. Went to his religion comparative lecture/class. And he explained a bit about Hinduism, because he study religions before converting to Islam. He makes his conclusion that Hinduism is worshiping one god, not many like he thought so. So this is the only thing that I can come out for now. ^ ^;;
The god of Christianity and Islam are both the same. (I don't want to say YHWH or anything, unless I am referring to Islam, I will say Allah) But then, we don't worship Jesus as god, which makes what we are worshiping is different. Jesus told the Jews to worship one god, but they worship Jesus as god. Muhammad doesn't told us to worship himself, but Allah. (One god) So Christians are worshiping The Father, (That may be referred to Allah) The Son, who is Jesus which is not god but a prophet and a human being, and lastly the unexplainable The Holy Trinity.
They claim to worship only one god, but here, we see 3 different entities. How do they explain to me? Or us? And the others? They claim Jesus is one with The Father, but Bible has contradictory. And their explanation, the Bible must not be taken literally. stare Islam worship Allah, and Allah has 99 different names. Not 99 different entities. 99 different names which also mean his "values."
We don't pray or takbir with "Ar-Rahman Hu-Akhbar" or "Al-Hayy Hu-Akhbar" or any other Allah's 99 names. But we pray with "Allah Hu-Akhbar." Like language, in Malay, Allah Hu-Akhbar means "Allah Maha Besar." But we don't said "Allah Maha Besar" every takbir, but we said Allah Hu-Akhbar. We takbir in Arabic, the original language for Islam.
In English it is "Allah the Great" right? ^ ^;; So this apply to English, we can't pray with the takbir, "Allah the Great."
Islam doesn't worship Allah's name. And Allah don't have faces. We don't even know how Allah looks like. Muhammad may have met Allah face-to-face but doesn't mean he is looking at Allah's face. But then, we don't know how Allah looks like. Face-to-face may be facing each other. But if I'm wearing a mask and you face me, does this mean you are looking at my face? Or my mask?
That's why we, Muslims cannot idolize Allah, making puppets or statue to represent him. We cannot put Allah in different entity. Like this statue is Ar-Rahman, that statue is Ar-Rahim. That is forbid from Islam, just like how we cannot idolize Muhammad, prophets, etc.
I don't call these as 99 faces, but these are 99 Allah's names, His nutrients, His values. But not 99 different entities, 99 different bodies, 99 different beings.
In my language, face means "muka" but we never said "Allah ada 99 muka." (Which means, Allah has 99 faces) But we said, Allah has 99 names. It's like 99 nicknames or 99 different names.
As for Voldemort questions,
I'm not sure if it is prohibited in Islam, but isn't it much much better to say Allah which also has "Al-Hayy" in his name? Why must remember his other names when you are about to be called to death by Allah? Why not repeats Allah?
Sorry that I could not answer your questions. sweatdrop
I'm not really religious, and not very knowledgeable. Excuse me if I'm wrong. I'm just putting it in a human sense and logic. I mean my own logic way.
divineseraph
Voldemort point two
divineseraph
Voldemort point two
I posted this is another Islamic guild, but that one appears to be dead.
I hope you don't mind me posting here and asking a question. The rules didn't forbid it, and the guild isn't set to private or hidden, so I guess so.
Anyway, here's the question: how do all of these things fit in with your beliefs in predestination? What happens if someone who is on their deathbed and is, say, about to die of cancer, repeats the name Al-Hayy (The Alive; long life)? And what happens if that person is destined by Allah to die?
This isn't a trick quesiton, I'm just interested.
@divineseraph: A human can have different traits, so I assume Muslims belive Allah can too. Not being a Muslim, I'm not sure. People can be guides and gatherers at the same time, so why can't Allah? I can be happy sometimes and angry, does that make me two different people?
I hope you don't mind me posting here and asking a question. The rules didn't forbid it, and the guild isn't set to private or hidden, so I guess so.
Anyway, here's the question: how do all of these things fit in with your beliefs in predestination? What happens if someone who is on their deathbed and is, say, about to die of cancer, repeats the name Al-Hayy (The Alive; long life)? And what happens if that person is destined by Allah to die?
This isn't a trick quesiton, I'm just interested.
@divineseraph: A human can have different traits, so I assume Muslims belive Allah can too. Not being a Muslim, I'm not sure. People can be guides and gatherers at the same time, so why can't Allah? I can be happy sometimes and angry, does that make me two different people?
When I have brought this up, it is called polytheism and spit on. This is no different from the polytheists. The thing I dislike about Islam the most is the hypocrisy- The Qur'an is littered with it, it starts claiming that Jews and Christians are fine and good people and that women are to be treated like everyone else as they have the same souls and minds as men. Then it goes on to bash jews and christians.
I assume from that that you're not a Muslim either?
Anyway, it's not polytheism. The God of Christianity (I'll call Him Jehovah and the God of Islam Allah in this post to avoid confusion) has different names. I realise it's something different because of the fact that there are three "parts" to Him and it's too complicated to go into here. To save confusion, I'll just concentrate on Jehovah the Father.
The Bible refers to Him as different names. For example, Wonderful Counselor and Prince of Peace. Does the face that He is a Wonderful Counselor and a Prince of Peace mean that He is two seperate enteties? No. I guess Muslims believe the same about Allah.
And what if one group called His creative part Brahma, his destructive part Shiva and his protective/maintaining part Vishnu? Does that mean the must be three different things, considering that they are all one in Brahman?
The God of Christianity AND Islam are both YHWH. Jehova was a mistranslation in german, I think, which was either a mistake or done to keep people from saying the name of God in vain.
I don't think Hindus know that they are worshiping one god. They think they are worshiping different entities. Different gods. That's why they are consider polytheism. Unless if we study properly about Hinduism, we will know that they are worshiping one god, not many. Most people don't know this, including Hindu. What will they think if they know they are worshiping one god? But not many?
This is just what I can think about from a person who was Hindu and now he is a Muslim. Went to his religion comparative lecture/class. And he explained a bit about Hinduism, because he study religions before converting to Islam. He makes his conclusion that Hinduism is worshiping one god, not many like he thought so. So this is the only thing that I can come out for now. ^ ^;;
The god of Christianity and Islam are both the same. (I don't want to say YHWH or anything, unless I am referring to Islam, I will say Allah) But then, we don't worship Jesus as god, which makes what we are worshiping is different. Jesus told the Jews to worship one god, but they worship Jesus as god. Muhammad doesn't told us to worship himself, but Allah. (One god) So Christians are worshiping The Father, (That may be referred to Allah) The Son, who is Jesus which is not god but a prophet and a human being, and lastly the unexplainable The Holy Trinity.
They claim to worship only one god, but here, we see 3 different entities. How do they explain to me? Or us? And the others? They claim Jesus is one with The Father, but Bible has contradictory. And their explanation, the Bible must not be taken literally. stare Islam worship Allah, and Allah has 99 different names. Not 99 different entities. 99 different names which also mean his "values."
We don't pray or takbir with "Ar-Rahman Hu-Akhbar" or "Al-Hayy Hu-Akhbar" or any other Allah's 99 names. But we pray with "Allah Hu-Akhbar." Like language, in Malay, Allah Hu-Akhbar means "Allah Maha Besar." But we don't said "Allah Maha Besar" every takbir, but we said Allah Hu-Akhbar. We takbir in Arabic, the original language for Islam.
In English it is "Allah the Great" right? ^ ^;; So this apply to English, we can't pray with the takbir, "Allah the Great."
Islam doesn't worship Allah's name. And Allah don't have faces. We don't even know how Allah looks like. Muhammad may have met Allah face-to-face but doesn't mean he is looking at Allah's face. But then, we don't know how Allah looks like. Face-to-face may be facing each other. But if I'm wearing a mask and you face me, does this mean you are looking at my face? Or my mask?
That's why we, Muslims cannot idolize Allah, making puppets or statue to represent him. We cannot put Allah in different entity. Like this statue is Ar-Rahman, that statue is Ar-Rahim. That is forbid from Islam, just like how we cannot idolize Muhammad, prophets, etc.
I don't call these as 99 faces, but these are 99 Allah's names, His nutrients, His values. But not 99 different entities, 99 different bodies, 99 different beings.
In my language, face means "muka" but we never said "Allah ada 99 muka." (Which means, Allah has 99 faces) But we said, Allah has 99 names. It's like 99 nicknames or 99 different names.
As for Voldemort questions,
I'm not sure if it is prohibited in Islam, but isn't it much much better to say Allah which also has "Al-Hayy" in his name? Why must remember his other names when you are about to be called to death by Allah? Why not repeats Allah?
Sorry that I could not answer your questions. sweatdrop
I'm not really religious, and not very knowledgeable. Excuse me if I'm wrong. I'm just putting it in a human sense and logic. I mean my own logic way.
can u please repeat ur question n make it simpler?? please.. cuz i dont understand much wht u mean.. stare stare
correct me if i'm wrong.. did u mean if 1 dying person said al-hay which means long live bt still they die ryt??
1st, y did he/she call al-hay?? O,O..
the meaning of al-hay's referring 2 allah.. not 2 tht person.. its not a ryt thing 2 begging 4 1 of the allah's godliness 2 be his/hers.. al-hay's like the 1 who'll never die.. if i were tht person, i'll said al-rahim (means The loving 1) n ask 2 extend my lifespan.. wht's the use of saying al-hay on the time like tht?? O,O
