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 Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:33 pm
Mini_Angel_1994 But, we must be created in this world for a reason, and we must be here because someone wants us to do something. And there must be results for it.
Nein. Why does there have to be a reason for everything? That's your perspect. Mine is that there doesn't have to be a supernatural source. Mini_Angel_1994 Your way of thinking would make people think: It's ok to be bad, because we don't have anyone telling us that, when you act bad, you're going to get a punishment. Don't you think so?
nein.
I believe that we are equal in death.
"bad" is subjective. What is morally right for you, is not for me.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:12 am
Absurd Thought Mini_Angel_1994 But, we must be created in this world for a reason, and we must be here because someone wants us to do something. And there must be results for it.
Nein. Why does there have to be a reason for everything? That's your perspect. Mine is that there doesn't have to be a supernatural source. Mini_Angel_1994 Your way of thinking would make people think: It's ok to be bad, because we don't have anyone telling us that, when you act bad, you're going to get a punishment. Don't you think so?
nein.
I believe that we are equal in death.
"bad" is subjective. What is morally right for you, is not for me. Bismillah --- I think that you should do a serious thinking about this, because if you just continue to believe like this, you won't have the will to live 60 years from now! I just want to do my duty to you, to just teach you what Islam says, and what Prophet Muhammad said, and be able to tell Allah that I told you everything. I once went to my grandmother's ranch, and I sat down, looking at the sky, and all the enviroment around me, I was like: WOW! And these things can't be a part of this big bang you said! In the biology class, we were studying about the plastids in the plants, and the basic structure of it. This correct design of it, can't just be a part of big bang! Actually, the way your face looks, is just right! You can't just be a part of the big bang you're talking about. I mean, those little things inside your cells, are just going in order, and it makes me amazed. You studied biology at school, then you must have felt that something is special about human being! Your body structure is a miracle itself! Frankly, if I thought the way you do, I'll be depressed and I would have killed myself a very while ago! I mean! If I don't have to do anything, why should I be here? Everything happens for a reason! I mean, this very thread was at the end of the list, and I wanted to check it for something, subhan Allah! I opened this thread to see your post, to say this very word. Subhan Allah! I want to ask you a question, but please be honest! Are you afraid of Dying? If so, why? --- Salam
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 11:21 pm
Mini_Angel_1994 Bismillah --- I think that you should do a serious thinking about this, because if you just continue to believe like this, you won't have the will to live 60 years from now!
Says who? You are not the fortuneteller to my fates. you do not control my destiny. Mini_Angel_1994 to just teach you what Islam says, and what Prophet Muhammad said, and be able to tell Allah that I told you everything.
I do not mind being told stuff. But I will not convert simply because you think it's the right path. Mini_Angel_1994 WOW! And these things can't be a part of this big bang you said! In the biology class, we were studying about the plastids in the plants, and the basic structure of it. This correct design of it, can't just be a part of big bang! Actually, the way your face looks, is just right! You can't just be a part of the big bang you're talking about. I mean, those little things inside your cells, are just going in order, and it makes me amazed. You studied biology at school, then you must have felt that something is special about human being! Your body structure is a miracle itself!
Amazing yes, products of evolution are. It's simply amazing how atoms connected together with certain charges can create life forms. It really is great.
Big bang--->evolution----->i see beauty in that.Mini_Angel_1994 Frankly, if I thought the way you do, I'll be depressed and I would have killed myself a very while ago!
Well its a good thing you don't think like me then.
Mini_Angel_1994 If I don't have to do anything, why should I be here?
My parents had sex, I was born. I do something because I have the drive to do it. I believe that work is essential to maintain healthiness and happiness. Mini_Angel_1994 Everything happens for a reason!
The reason differs on the person.Mini_Angel_1994 Are you afraid of Dying? If so, why? --- Salam
Why should I be afraid of a natural part of life? Death is another step. It's not to be feared; it happens to everyone eventually. Does it mean I want to die? No, I just accept death as a part of live and move on.
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Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 5:59 am
Bismillah ---
Lol, I laughed alot on the part where you said that why should I be here.. I wasn't talking about the biological reason, because I'm already aware of that-- thank you. But, I'm asking about the spiritual reason.
About the part you said that you won't convert because I think it's the right path, I'm not telling you to convert, I'm not going to kill you. You can still die an athiest, that actually won't harm me. But because I care about what happens to you I want you to take things from my prospective, and try to understand.
Ok great, you hit the point, who made this relationship between those atoms, who made them connect together? Who had this idea? Who made this accurate amount of charges? If you have two computer chips for example, and you haven't program it to do anything. Then you put it on the desk, nothing will happen. They'd still just sit there doing nothing. BUT! If you program a certain part of this chip, to be attracted to the other part of the other chip. Then, you put them on the desk, they'd attract. That goes the same for the atoms you were talking about.
--- Salam
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Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:43 pm
Mini_Angel_1994 Ok great, you hit the point, who made this relationship between those atoms, who made them connect together?
Positive and negative charges. They've been there and it works.
It's not a who, it's why it works. I don't believe in a *person who had an idea* its there for people to see. Positive and negative charges react in ways that benefit and create and destroy nature. It isMini_Angel_1994 Who made this accurate amount of charges?
Law of Conservation of Matter....there is no *extra* creation of charges, Matter is neither created nor destroyed, just changed.
Mini_Angel_1994 If you have two computer chips for example, and you haven't program it to do anything. Then you put it on the desk, nothing will happen. They'd still just sit there doing nothing. BUT! If you program a certain part of this chip, to be attracted to the other part of the other chip.
You don't program chips to be attracted to one another. You program chips to accept additions upon the original. If the original doesn't accept an add-on chip, then your chip isn't going to work.
Try another analogy. You did better when you were talking about cells.
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Posted: Fri Nov 14, 2008 3:41 am
Bismillah---
You misunderstood me, since I'm not fluent in English, but again I'll try. I know that there some kind of law in physics that says negative and positive attract, but, you kind of wonder, why do they attract? I think because they want to be electrically equal ( I think ). But, this law, was basically in the world, for this to happen, the laws in nature, all of that exisit for only one reason, for human being. First of all, the earth was created, a place for us to exist, the sky, for our oxygen, the animals and plants, for us to eat. But really, where's the beauty in that? Are we here just to eat and drink? We must be here for a reasonable reason. We're not here for only to drink and eat, because that would be just stupid ( With my full respect to you )
Ok, there's something behind all of that, it's not as simple as that, that big bang cannot create things like that. I really can't understand how can you believe, that your cells, the small parts of your cells, are acting in a very fabulous way, based on that big bang. The way that eyes work, the right structure of the eye is not because of the big bang. It didn't happen because negative and positive attract, to cause a big bang, for this earth to happen. For your soul to become alive, for you to have a beating heart.
Bottom line : This world was created because of the big bang, because some kind of relationship between postive and negative, because Allah created this relationship between them.
I'm just going to ask you to do something, go out, if you live in the city, go to the country side, and look at the sky, if you find something wrong with it, come back, and tell me. This perfect creation, could not have happened because of the big bang.
This ship, ( The creation of the world ), can't have been swimming in the sea, without a sailor, not even automatically. There must be someone to lead it, for it to become this perfect picture, that it is.
Sorry it took so long
--- Salam
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Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 1:20 am
Mini_Angel_1994 But, this law, was basically in the world, for this to happen, the laws in nature, all of that exisit for only one reason, for human being.
I stopped reading after that line for a bit. The laws that exist in nature are there for a reason. Without those laws in nature, there would be nothing, or absolute chaos, depending on how you look at things.
To declare that these laws exist solely for human beings is nothing short of supreme arrogance; that mankind is the center of it. Mini_Angel_1994 Are we here just to eat and drink? We must be here for a reasonable reason. We're not here for only to drink and eat, because that would be just stupid ( With my full respect to you )
Why do we have to be here for a reason? That doesn't explain the inner drive that human beings have regardless of a supernatural deity or not. Humans have their own drive, their own reasoning, their own goals and dreams. If that doesn't satisfy you there, then I guess I could see why people belong to a religion. Quite frankly, I'm satisfied with my quest to become a journalist, I have a thirst for knowledge and enlightenment. Would I have done well being an English teacher for high schools or joining the peace corps to teach children? Probably, but I didn't have the drive that I have to become a journalist. Mini_Angel_1994 Ok, there's something behind all of that, it's not as simple as that, that big bang cannot create things like that.
Sorry, sweetcheeks, science has quite a strong theory for it. Oh, and the universe is still expanding as well, just so you know. Including our knowledge of it, which gives further evidence that a huge blast radiated out waves of change. Mini_Angel_1994 I really can't understand how can you believe, that your cells, the small parts of your cells, are acting in a very fabulous way, based on that big bang.
When it gets down to it, it's all based on chemical reactions. I'm not an expert in physiology, but even the most complicated of things, from the heart beating to eyesight is broken down into chemical reactions and such. It's not that hard to see it. I'm still amazed by the evolution that humans have gone through to achieve this. Mini_Angel_1994 The way that eyes work, the right structure of the eye is not because of the big bang. It's called evolution, sweetcheeks. Start small and gradually get more complicated. Mini_Angel_1994 For your soul to become alive, for you to have a beating heart.
Soul, I'm still debating about, though I do like Plato's explanation far more than any organized religion's feelings on the subject.
Here is a textbook explanation of it.Mini_Angel_1994 Bottom line : This world was created because of the big bang, because some kind of relationship between postive and negative, because Allah created this relationship between them.
That is your view of it. Not mine. It is an opinion based on religious reasoning and philosophy. Do not mix up opinion and fact.
Mini_Angel_1994 This perfect creation, could not have happened because of the big bang.
Perfect because it suits human life? Billions of years ago Oxygen was a toxic gas that killed off living creatures. For those that adapted, it was a perfect habitat for them. It still doesn't undermine the big bang, rather it reinforces it. Remember, the big bang was created by a Catholic priest. Catholics just say that god started it and guided creation through evolution and physics and whatnot. Science talks about matter and anti-matter along with all sorts of other theoriesMini_Angel_1994 This ship, ( The creation of the world ), can't have been swimming in the sea, without a sailor, not even automatically. There must be someone to lead it, for it to become this perfect picture, that it is.
Says you and other organized religions. I can live without a creator imaginary thing, where you obviously can't. I've stated my opinion and my beliefs. If you want me to clear anything up, then please let me know. Otherwise, get over the fact that I believe that creation can happen without a "supreme being" orchestrating it.
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Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:16 am
HELLO
It's already been a long time since the last 'arguements'
But i just wanna say
IF Allah did not create the world then who??!
Everything can't just happened because of the big bang only
Allah kinda 'programmed' it to be that way
Like humans programmed computer & other sorts od=f technology
Everything has it owns creator EXCEPT ALLAH
Allah create us & we CAN'T ASK WHO CREATED ALLAH
It's unexplainable
One advice
If u wanna know more then do many2 'ibadah' to get some 'points' (pahala) so that u can enter jannah.
Then u can ask everything to Allah s.w.t
(in my opinion we can talk to Allah when we're in the jannah right?)
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:35 am
maybe Allah started the world by a Big Bang who knows wink
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