help me understand please...

[mightynameofjesus]

van was pathetic  

[YamiCheza]

fate_the_ice_princess

exactly but what i don't get is why did diva want to joel

Why Diva killed Joel? Because she held him responsible for keeping her locked up in the tower all her life. Him and Anshel kept her up there, expiramenting on her. And when Joel bought Hagi it was so he could use him in an expirament when he grew up to see if Diva would reproduce like a human.  

[Sayuri Sayo]

Really? I thought it was a test to see if Saya would you mate with Hagi  

[YamiCheza]

Saiyo of the Mists

Really? I thought it was a test to see if Saya would you mate with Hagi

I thought that too at one time but when I rewatched a past episode ("Sour Grapes", I think) they said Hagi was Diva's groom. And they said that Joel kept Saya as a daughter and Diva was the test subject. But that expirament obviously never went through. I don't know if it was because Joel saw that Saya had become friends with Hagi or if Diva was released before the planned time of the expirament.  

[Sayuri Sayo]

So Hagi was Divae's groom? Then why did Joel have Saya as a daughter and Diva as a test subject if Hagi was going to be Diva's groom then shouldn't Saya be the test subject and Diva as his daughter?  

[Virvada]

Yes, Crispin Freeman played Van Argeno. Van Argeno was a much needed character, if only for comic relief. Crispin Freeman did a superb job on Argeno; let me hear you do a French accent? Voice actors must do what the director tells them to do. Each actor does a protrayal of a character. Some are better than others. In my opinion, Crispin does a good job wherever he goes. So, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't go and bash him, because he is my friend. Thank you.  

[YamiCheza]

Saiyo of the Mists

So Hagi was Divae's groom? Then why did Joel have Saya as a daughter and Diva as a test subject if Hagi was going to be Diva's groom then shouldn't Saya be the test subject and Diva as his daughter?

Joel kept Saya as a daughter because he didn't have any children. Why he picked Saya instead of Diva, I don't know. If they explained it, I can't remember.

You see, in the episode shortly after Diva's woke up and they're still not showing her face, all her chevaliers are sitting around drinking the wine that has her blood in it talking about their plan and all that. That's when they say Hagi was Diva's groom. It's not explained much, but Joel the third said later (I think in "Joel's Diary") that Hagi was bought because Joel wanted to see if Chiropterans reproduced the same as humans because that was one experiment he hadn't run yet. He never ran experiments on Saya, they were all done on Diva (another reason why Diva hated Joel and killed him). And when it's explained about how Saya and Diva were hatched out of their cocoons, he kept Saya as a daughter and named her. He kept the other one so he could run experiments, thus he didn't even bother to name her. They never say that Hagi was bought for Saya and are pretty vague on the details.  

[YamiCheza]

Iubire

Yes, Crispin Freeman played Van Argeno. Van Argeno was a much needed character, if only for comic relief. Crispin Freeman did a superb job on Argeno; let me hear you do a French accent? Voice actors must do what the director tells them to do. Each actor does a protrayal of a character. Some are better than others. In my opinion, Crispin does a good job wherever he goes. So, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't go and bash him, because he is my friend. Thank you.

I don't think anyone intended to bash, they just didn't care for his performance on his accent; I see your point, he was only doing what he was told. But like me and the Captain said was that his accent was part of his "comic relief." Yes his characcter was needed. For example, they couldn't have done the plan of the Opera and the Chiropterans attacking without Van even if he didn't know he was aiding in such a plan.

Everyone I know of agrees that Freeman did a wonderful job on Hagi and that he is talented. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I don't think people were bashing him. Like I said, we love his Hagi. Just go see the "Sexy beast Hagi thread" if you want proof. wink  

[Sayuri Sayo]

Sure but I still feel sorry for Saya  

[YamiCheza]

I feel sorry for Saya, too. And Diva. Saya was put through so much all because of what the first Joel did and then Diva was experimented on for so long. Her death was sad, too.  

[Virvada]

YamiCheza

Iubire

Yes, Crispin Freeman played Van Argeno. Van Argeno was a much needed character, if only for comic relief. Crispin Freeman did a superb job on Argeno; let me hear you do a French accent? Voice actors must do what the director tells them to do. Each actor does a protrayal of a character. Some are better than others. In my opinion, Crispin does a good job wherever he goes. So, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't go and bash him, because he is my friend. Thank you.

I don't think anyone intended to bash, they just didn't care for his performance on his accent; I see your point, he was only doing what he was told. But like me and the Captain said was that his accent was part of his "comic relief." Yes his characcter was needed. For example, they couldn't have done the plan of the Opera and the Chiropterans attacking without Van even if he didn't know he was aiding in such a plan.

Everyone I know of agrees that Freeman did a wonderful job on Hagi and that he is talented. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I don't think people were bashing him. Like I said, we love his Hagi. Just go see the "Sexy beast Hagi thread" if you want proof. wink

Yes, I know. I'm an opinionated person, especially about people or things that I hold in high esteem. So sorry if I sounded snappy. Oh, and I am not sure if I want to see that topic because I don't like how people talk about how sexy Haji is....I mean, I know, he's pretty sexy, but I just think of him as an equal more than a sex toy, right? I mean, I play cello, and everything, so I don't look at Haji that way...it's rather hard to explain.  

[YamiCheza]

Iubire

YamiCheza

Iubire

Yes, Crispin Freeman played Van Argeno. Van Argeno was a much needed character, if only for comic relief. Crispin Freeman did a superb job on Argeno; let me hear you do a French accent? Voice actors must do what the director tells them to do. Each actor does a protrayal of a character. Some are better than others. In my opinion, Crispin does a good job wherever he goes. So, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't go and bash him, because he is my friend. Thank you.

I don't think anyone intended to bash, they just didn't care for his performance on his accent; I see your point, he was only doing what he was told. But like me and the Captain said was that his accent was part of his "comic relief." Yes his characcter was needed. For example, they couldn't have done the plan of the Opera and the Chiropterans attacking without Van even if he didn't know he was aiding in such a plan.

Everyone I know of agrees that Freeman did a wonderful job on Hagi and that he is talented. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I don't think people were bashing him. Like I said, we love his Hagi. Just go see the "Sexy beast Hagi thread" if you want proof. wink

Yes, I know. I'm an opinionated person, especially about people or things that I hold in high esteem. So sorry if I sounded snappy. Oh, and I am not sure if I want to see that topic because I don't like how people talk about how sexy Haji is....I mean, I know, he's pretty sexy, but I just think of him as an equal more than a sex toy, right? I mean, I play cello, and everything, so I don't look at Haji that way...it's rather hard to explain.

Hey don't worry about it. I understand. 3nodding And I understand about not wanting to see the thread. Yeah, Hagi has a really nice voice in both English and Japanese versions of the anime, but I don't think of him as a "sexy beast." But I do like to check it out because I find it funny sometimes. xd  

[Virvada]

YamiCheza

Iubire

YamiCheza

Iubire

Yes, Crispin Freeman played Van Argeno. Van Argeno was a much needed character, if only for comic relief. Crispin Freeman did a superb job on Argeno; let me hear you do a French accent? Voice actors must do what the director tells them to do. Each actor does a protrayal of a character. Some are better than others. In my opinion, Crispin does a good job wherever he goes. So, I would really appreciate it if you wouldn't go and bash him, because he is my friend. Thank you.

I don't think anyone intended to bash, they just didn't care for his performance on his accent; I see your point, he was only doing what he was told. But like me and the Captain said was that his accent was part of his "comic relief." Yes his characcter was needed. For example, they couldn't have done the plan of the Opera and the Chiropterans attacking without Van even if he didn't know he was aiding in such a plan.

Everyone I know of agrees that Freeman did a wonderful job on Hagi and that he is talented. I know everyone has their own opinion, but I don't think people were bashing him. Like I said, we love his Hagi. Just go see the "Sexy beast Hagi thread" if you want proof. wink

Yes, I know. I'm an opinionated person, especially about people or things that I hold in high esteem. So sorry if I sounded snappy. Oh, and I am not sure if I want to see that topic because I don't like how people talk about how sexy Haji is....I mean, I know, he's pretty sexy, but I just think of him as an equal more than a sex toy, right? I mean, I play cello, and everything, so I don't look at Haji that way...it's rather hard to explain.

Hey don't worry about it. I understand. 3nodding And I understand about not wanting to see the thread. Yeah, Hagi has a really nice voice in both English and Japanese versions of the anime, but I don't think of him as a "sexy beast." But I do like to check it out because I find it funny sometimes. xd

That's true. People should think like you. smile It can be funny, but only if I'm in the right mood. A lot of the time, I find fangirls sickening...partially because I just don't like people talking like that about anime characters.  

[Sayuri Sayo]

I know right fangirls that go to my school at mostly talk about how could Saya do that to hagi and that Saya should die and if I or someone else say something else like Hagi did that because loves her they'll give the evil look like your so wrong