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 Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:03 am
_rainarai_ Shinigami Vayth Yeah, when you say it for something, you do your best to achieve it. If you say it for promise, then you better do it, unless you really really have something that not allow you to do that. You can say it's a higher level of promise. No, it's not a promise, you just leave it to allah, you say "allah will decide" or something like that. O: Right? I mean, when you say to someone: "Insyaa Allah I'll come to your place tonight", you must do your best so you can fullfill it. It's almost the same with "I promise to come", but the one with Insyaa Allah involved Allah's name, so that's what I meant by higher promise.
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:16 am
Shinigami Vayth _rainarai_ Shinigami Vayth Yeah, when you say it for something, you do your best to achieve it. If you say it for promise, then you better do it, unless you really really have something that not allow you to do that. You can say it's a higher level of promise. No, it's not a promise, you just leave it to allah, you say "allah will decide" or something like that. O: Right? I mean, when you say to someone: "Insyaa Allah I'll come to your place tonight", you must do your best so you can fullfill it. It's almost the same with "I promise to come", but the one with Insyaa Allah involved Allah's name, so that's what I meant by higher promise. no when you say "InshaAllah I'll come to your place tonight" then that means "if Allah wills i will come to your place tonight" just take the words as Rania said and replace them thats it! its not promise at all! but when you say "Allah's promise i will come to your place" then that is higher promise because you place Allah in between you and going so you have to go or ask for forgiveness to Allah.
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:39 am
Yeah unless if I said, "I promise to Allah I will come." That's a different thing. But what if all of a sudden your transportation have problems? So of course we have to tell that we aren't able to come. But that's makes you are not making your promise.
So I did just said, "InsyaAllah if Allah's will, I will try." But then I did change my decision. And people who doesn't know the REAL meaning always threat others who use the word InsyaAllah to make them DO WHAT THEY PROMISED. Because their mindset is already said, InsyaAllah is a promise. They are using Allah's name to threat us. scream It's just wrong!
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:15 pm
dTranquility Yeah unless if I said, "I promise to Allah I will come." That's a different thing. But what if all of a sudden your transportation have problems? So of course we have to tell that we aren't able to come. But that's makes you are not making your promise.
So I did just said, "InsyaAllah if Allah's will, I will try." But then I did change my decision. And people who doesn't know the REAL meaning always threat others who use the word InsyaAllah to make them DO WHAT THEY PROMISED. Because their mindset is already said, InsyaAllah is a promise. They are using Allah's name to threat us. scream It's just wrong! it won't resolve when you keep repeating that here say it to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 8:46 pm
Insyaa Allah to come means you will come unless you really cant make it, (which means Allah isn't willing you to come (like your transportation have problems, then suddenly you have accident, go to hospital, then [please insert any coincidence that prevent you to come here]) tassan rania No, it's not a promise, you just leave it to allah, you say "allah will decide" or something like that. O: yes right. you do not promise you leave it to Allah but work for it yourself as well to achieve it but you pray to Allah as well What about say it this way: You said to Allah, if Allah allow it, then I will try my best to achieve it (I will take it as promise1). But if Allah allow it, yet you doesn't try your best to do the promise2 (come to friend), then you also doesn't do the promise1, which you promise to Allah. Anyway, sorry, I cant find a good way to describe it, but at least you understand what I mean. Well, if you changed your mind, you can always talk it with them..
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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:20 am
Shinigami Vayth Insyaa Allah to come means you will come unless you really cant make it, (which means Allah isn't willing you to come (like your transportation have problems, then suddenly you have accident, go to hospital, then [please insert any coincidence that prevent you to come here]) tassan rania No, it's not a promise, you just leave it to allah, you say "allah will decide" or something like that. O: yes right. you do not promise you leave it to Allah but work for it yourself as well to achieve it but you pray to Allah as well What about say it this way: You said to Allah, if Allah allow it, then I will try my best to achieve it (I will take it as promise1). But if Allah allow it, yet you doesn't try your best to do the promise2 (come to friend), then you also doesn't do the promise1, which you promise to Allah. Anyway, sorry, I cant find a good way to describe it, but at least you understand what I mean. Well, if you changed your mind, you can always talk it with them.. Allowance of Allah is not a promise! here comes the problem of will again... if you will to go to him then you only go to him if Allah wills that too but if you will and Allah does not (that might be for a reason) then you can not reach there... but if you do not will and Allah wills you will be there some how (for a reason) if i haven't got you then you should repeat it more clearly.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 6:41 am
Um.. I don't think you got me clearly, but I think I got what you said,and it's not really different than what I want to say, I just don't know how to say it.. So, I think I'll go with you and rania then.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:17 am
Shinigami Vayth Um.. I don't think you got me clearly, but I think I got what you said,and it's not really different than what I want to say, I just don't know how to say it.. So, I think I'll go with you and rania then. it would have been better if you had explained it but its fine like this as well ^^
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