Muzzleloaders

[Man of the Demoneye]

Alright, lots of questions here. First off, anyone here ever heard of CVA? I saw some at the local wally world for $129-250 and at first glance, they looked kinda...cheaply made, but when I felt it, it seemed okay. (pretty sure they were cva)

2. are the modern reproductions that look similar to the traditional rifles any less/more accurate? The barrels look longer and I'd assume that would make it better unless it were compensating for something.

In return, ducks:



I'm sure to think of more stuff to add later.  

[Fresnel]

I would assume that modern black-powder rifles are made to original specifications, but with modern metallurgy and tolerances. So you get a rifle that was built to be accurate with shitty materials that's built with accurate materials, too. I've been drooling over an old flintlock for a while now, and just recently I creamed myself over a Colt Army model 1860. Found a company that sells reproductions for a touch over $200, and you don't need to get it shipped to an FFL 'cos it's a black powder gun. mrgreen  

[Man of the Demoneye]

Fresnel

I would assume that modern black-powder rifles are made to original specifications, but with modern metallurgy and tolerances. So you get a rifle that was built to be accurate with shitty materials that's built with accurate materials, too. I've been drooling over an old flintlock for a while now, and just recently I creamed myself over a Colt Army model 1860. Found a company that sells reproductions for a touch over $200, and you don't need to get it shipped to an FFL 'cos it's a black powder gun. mrgreen

So wait, are you saying the repros would be more accurate than the modern versions then?  

[Fresnel]

Man of the Demoneye

Fresnel

I would assume that modern black-powder rifles are made to original specifications, but with modern metallurgy and tolerances. So you get a rifle that was built to be accurate with shitty materials that's built with accurate materials, too. I've been drooling over an old flintlock for a while now, and just recently I creamed myself over a Colt Army model 1860. Found a company that sells reproductions for a touch over $200, and you don't need to get it shipped to an FFL 'cos it's a black powder gun. mrgreen

So wait, are you saying the repros would be more accurate than the modern original versions then?

Assuming my correction up above really is correct, then I would suppose so, yeah. Think of it... guns back then were made with comparatively crude tools and inexact specifications, so to make them accurate they made them longer. Today everything's done with robots and lasers and computers and tolerances of nanometers, but they're STILL just as long as they were three hundred years ago.  

[Barru]

Well, they have new bullets for those guns, more accurate than a lead ball.

Although, you could still shoot the lead ball, fun for plinking. Blow the s**t out of s**t.  

[Fresnel]

Barru

Well, they have new bullets for those guns, more accurate than a lead ball.

Although, you could still shoot the lead ball, fun for plinking. Blow the s**t out of s**t.

Another good point. I'd bet a saboted copper hollowpoint is much more accurate than a hand-cast lead ball.  

[Man of the Demoneye]

Oh God...what did I get myself into. Just when you think you have something down there is something else. I thought it was a choice of flintlock (not interested), percussion, 209, and now I find electrinic ignition. (link below) Only difference I would have done is make it piezzoelectric instead of battery powered.

http://www.cva.com/rifles-electra.html  

[Stoic Socialist]

Cabela's stocks some decent black powder firearms. The ones named "Hawken" are made by Thompson Center, and are pretty decent. They also stock from Pedersoli (with some models in the same price range as the ones you're looking at), which is a fairly high-end reproduction firearm manufacturer.

Although, speaking of CVA, reading the Cabelas and Bass Pro reviews, they're thought of as pretty decent guns.

Speaking of barrel length, I've always thought that the barrels were fairly long because of black powder being fairly slow burning in comparison of modern powders. Although, I've also heard of it also being for accuracy, especially so considering how some barrels could be upwards of 6' long... which I don't understand because of barrel harmonics.
I've heard both ways, but I'm sure that there's probably a little bit of truth in all theories.  

[Fresnel]

Stoic Socialist

The ones named "Hawken" are made by Thompson Center, and are pretty decent.

******** you, Pavlov. *drools quietly*

I like the flintlock one best. crying

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Speaking of barrel length, I've always thought that the barrels were fairly long because of black powder being fairly slow burning in comparison of modern powders.

No chance. Gunpowder burns, black powder explodes. I can't find any decent videos on YouTube because nobody knows what the ******** smokeless powder is except the people who use it to build bombs.  

[Man of the Demoneye]

Actually, right now the CVA wolf looks pretty decent to me. Big plus is the pricetag. Not my dream gun, but looks good for a starter. Or I might just stick to OP rifles since I only go when invited.

Also extremely helpful:
http://www.cva.com/videos.html