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 Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:51 pm
Honestly, Christians ask, "why do Muslims think Allah is the same God as our Lord?", To make my argument simpler, Allah will be the Muslim God and Yeshua (Jesus) will be the Christian God in this little explanation.
Compare the Old and New Testaments to the Quran, and the Allah and Yeshua are very different. And the argument "the Bible has been corrupted" is not valid here, as we must, for sake of objectively looking and determining whether or not Allah and Yeshua are the same, assume (even though I don't) that the Bible and Quran are correct. They are very much NOT the same. At all.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:59 pm
Voldemort point two The_Pathan Though, they kinda all starts converting to atheism. sad Nominal Christians don't count. Neither do all westerners, which apparently Muslims think are all Christians. You realise that only about 5% of British people are true born-again Christians, right? It's even less in America. Which, "coincidentally," happens to align itself exactly with prophecies of scripture, with a great Apostasy supposed to happen as the End draws neigh! O:
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Fish of Steel Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:03 pm
mazuac Honestly, Christians ask, "why do Muslims think Allah is the same God as our Lord?", To make my argument simpler, Allah will be the Muslim God and Yeshua (Jesus) will be the Christian God in this little explanation.
Compare the Old and New Testaments to the Quran, and the Allah and Yeshua are very different. And the argument "the Bible has been corrupted" is not valid here, as we must, for sake of objectively looking and determining whether or not Allah and Yeshua are the same, assume (even though I don't) that the Bible and Quran are correct. They are very much NOT the same. At all.
yes they are its not as complicated as u make it sound who is god? jesus's father right (as christians believe) wel we just call him allah the only diff is that we dont believe jesus was his son that is the major difference so we have 1 god while Christians technically have 2
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 8:36 pm
Fish of Steel mazuac Honestly, Christians ask, "why do Muslims think Allah is the same God as our Lord?", To make my argument simpler, Allah will be the Muslim God and Yeshua (Jesus) will be the Christian God in this little explanation.
Compare the Old and New Testaments to the Quran, and the Allah and Yeshua are very different. And the argument "the Bible has been corrupted" is not valid here, as we must, for sake of objectively looking and determining whether or not Allah and Yeshua are the same, assume (even though I don't) that the Bible and Quran are correct. They are very much NOT the same. At all.
yes they are its not as complicated as u make it sound who is god? jesus's father right (as christians believe) wel we just call him allah the only diff is that we dont believe jesus was his son that is the major difference so we have 1 god while Christians technically have 2 Actually, Christians beleive Jesus is God. razz
Also, I am not talking about the eytomology of Allah vs. God. Look at the NATURES, RULES and BEHAVIORS of the God of the Bible, and Allah. VERY different. For one instance, God is the Standard of Righteousness, while Allah is above the standard, meaning he is "super-standard," and thus, giving the possibility to do other than good, while God sets his standards and will and is incapable of doing evil. (I have verses to support this, but I have to remember them, so please give me some time).
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 9:15 pm
mazuac Fish of Steel mazuac Honestly, Christians ask, "why do Muslims think Allah is the same God as our Lord?", To make my argument simpler, Allah will be the Muslim God and Yeshua (Jesus) will be the Christian God in this little explanation.
Compare the Old and New Testaments to the Quran, and the Allah and Yeshua are very different. And the argument "the Bible has been corrupted" is not valid here, as we must, for sake of objectively looking and determining whether or not Allah and Yeshua are the same, assume (even though I don't) that the Bible and Quran are correct. They are very much NOT the same. At all.
yes they are its not as complicated as u make it sound who is god? jesus's father right (as christians believe) wel we just call him allah the only diff is that we dont believe jesus was his son that is the major difference so we have 1 god while Christians technically have 2 Actually, Christians beleive Jesus is God. razz
Also, I am not talking about the eytomology of Allah vs. God. Look at the NATURES, RULES and BEHAVIORS of the God of the Bible, and Allah. VERY different. For one instance, God is the Standard of Righteousness, while Allah is above the standard, meaning he is "super-standard," and thus, giving the possibility to do other than good, while God sets his standards and will and is incapable of doing evil. (I have verses to support this, but I have to remember them, so please give me some time). I understand what u mean but weather ppl believe it or not we know who we are worshiping , if ppl chose not believe u its there choice
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:13 am
Christians believe.
The Holy Spirit = God
The Father = God
The Son = God
The father is the highest, and son and spirit are both low, on the same rank.
So 3 gods.
I got a picture if u want it more detailed? It's the trinity concept.
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:00 am
Fish of Steel mazuac Fish of Steel mazuac Honestly, Christians ask, "why do Muslims think Allah is the same God as our Lord?", To make my argument simpler, Allah will be the Muslim God and Yeshua (Jesus) will be the Christian God in this little explanation.
Compare the Old and New Testaments to the Quran, and the Allah and Yeshua are very different. And the argument "the Bible has been corrupted" is not valid here, as we must, for sake of objectively looking and determining whether or not Allah and Yeshua are the same, assume (even though I don't) that the Bible and Quran are correct. They are very much NOT the same. At all.
yes they are its not as complicated as u make it sound who is god? jesus's father right (as christians believe) wel we just call him allah the only diff is that we dont believe jesus was his son that is the major difference so we have 1 god while Christians technically have 2 Actually, Christians beleive Jesus is God. razz
Also, I am not talking about the eytomology of Allah vs. God. Look at the NATURES, RULES and BEHAVIORS of the God of the Bible, and Allah. VERY different. For one instance, God is the Standard of Righteousness, while Allah is above the standard, meaning he is "super-standard," and thus, giving the possibility to do other than good, while God sets his standards and will and is incapable of doing evil. (I have verses to support this, but I have to remember them, so please give me some time). I understand what u mean but weather ppl believe it or not we know who we are worshiping , if ppl chose not believe u its there choice Yes, and any person who has looked at the Bible vs. Quran will see they are NOT the same.
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:03 am
The_Pathan Christians believe. The Holy Spirit = God The Father = God The Son = God The father is the highest, and son and spirit are both low, on the same rank. So 3 gods. I got a picture if u want it more detailed? It's the trinity concept. Trinitarianism (3 "persons," 1 "essence") is not the same as Trithiesm (3 "gods").
An example, though poor, would be a triangle. There are 3 sides, but it is 1 triangle.
The Trinity is a hard-er concept to grasp in Christianity, but basically it asserts that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 1, God showing that they are 1.
Make sense?
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Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 am
mazuac The_Pathan Christians believe. The Holy Spirit = God The Father = God The Son = God The father is the highest, and son and spirit are both low, on the same rank. So 3 gods. I got a picture if u want it more detailed? It's the trinity concept. Trinitarianism (3 "persons," 1 "essence") is not the same as Trithiesm (3 "gods"). An example, though poor, would be a triangle. There are 3 sides, but it is 1 triangle. The Trinity is a hard-er concept to grasp in Christianity, but basically it asserts that God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are 1, God showing that they are 1. Make sense? For more clarification I suggest http://www.carm.org/trinityIt isn't proselytizing, but explains the Trinity more thoroughly than I can. It also has, at the bottom, proof to show that throughout scripture there is ONE GOD, yet the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are called God, etc. Look at it, it should make more sense to you. biggrin
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:14 am
Moved To Islamic Assistance/Questions
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 5:44 pm
i had a huge conversation this weekend and i asked this girl on the bus next to me why the muslem and christian god can't be the same god and she gave some awnser about how jesus is apart of god and w/ o jesus it can't be the same god
•im christian but i respect all religions and i joined this guild to learn
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Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2010 7:33 pm
Christians never worshiped the same god as Allah because they started out anyhow with Jesus as their god. Which to Muslims is worshiping, in essence, a human (who really did say NOT to worship him, only his FATHER [keep in mind, we are ALL Allah's children]). We believe that although Christians claim to worship God, they have gone astray by associating others with Him. Yes, the trinity is also brought into account because they believe God is all of those things, but keep in mind, even in the old scriptures, many times there are mentions of it being sin to worship other than ONE GOD (He would not have parts for He is perfections & needs not to be split). Voicing my thoughts.
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Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:01 am
Saddest Shade of Kitsune Christians never worshiped the same god as Allah because they started out anyhow with Jesus as their god. Which to Muslims is worshiping, in essence, a human (who really did say NOT to worship him, only his FATHER [keep in mind, we are ALL Allah's children]). We believe that although Christians claim to worship God, they have gone astray by associating others with Him. Yes, the trinity is also brought into account because they believe God is all of those things, but keep in mind, even in the old scriptures, many times there are mentions of it being sin to worship other than ONE GOD (He would not have parts for He is perfections & needs not to be split). Voicing my thoughts. Intelligent answer
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