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 Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 7:13 am
Christianity evolved out of Judaism and if a theory ive heard is correct Atenism (the amount parallels between the two religions is amazing) so yes you are correct
And neither of you can win because your both using different religions to fight each other, you guys need to pick one or the other and fight it out there because both religions have different teachings and etc
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Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:29 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Christianity evolved out of Judaism and if a theory ive heard is correct Atenism (the amount parallels between the two religions is amazing) so yes you are correct And neither of you can win because your both using different religions to fight each other, you guys need to pick one or the other and fight it out there because both religions have different teachings and etc That is the most sense you have ever made in here. I am pleased.
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:45 am
everyone makes perfect sense its just a matter of how you interpet what they say stare
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Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 11:19 pm
xLady Tsukiyox Semiremis ferret658 xLady Tsukiyox ferret658 xLady Tsukiyox I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Except to many Christian denominations, Jesus is not God but the Son of God. And again, Satan is God's b***h. Jesus can't "pwn" God's b***h. If Jesus is God, then Satan works for Jesus. I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment. I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon... According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h. I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying: Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil. Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat. Now that's confusing! I can follow Lady Tsukiyo's reasoning here and it makes sense but only under the assumption that Angels are basically mindless drones and free will is non-existent on any level when it comes to them. Christian Theology adds that extra level (not meaning better or more deep, just extra). You're both arguing the theology of different religions, that never works to well. Except Jewish mythos is apart of the Christian religion as many of the authors of the Bible a) were Jews but decided to become Gentiles or b) lived in Judea (Israel) during the time of the Roman occupation and Jesus' time. So it would make sense to understand the characters of Jewish mythos since they are added in the Bible. *nods* I don't think anyone here is denying that Christianity stemmed off of Judaism though, it just doesn't change the fact that Christianity is a different religion holding different beliefs and a part of those beliefs is that there is a continual illumination and clarification of the word of God.
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 9:24 am
Quote: there is a continual illumination and clarification of the word of God. please elaborate, sorry its just im curious as to what you meant by that
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Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 7:58 pm
XxXTemporary_IllusionXxX Quote: there is a continual illumination and clarification of the word of God. please elaborate, sorry its just im curious as to what you meant by that It has to do with revelation and how not everything is revealed all at once. With divorce for example, it was allowed by moses but Jesus when questioned on it in Mark 10 tells us that that was allowed only because of the weakness of mankind but it's not how it was meant to be, he said: "Because of the hardness of your heart, he wrote you that precept."
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:20 am
ferret658 xLady Tsukiyox ferret658 xLady Tsukiyox ferret658 The concept of the Trinity makes Jesus not only the Son of God, but God Himself. Satan does not work for God in any way, shape or form. He must ask permission before he even does anything to anyone. Ask permission from someone =/= employment. I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Drea, you fail at understanding Jewish canon... According to Jewish canon, Ha-Satan is YHVH's b***h. Ha-Satan is an angel. Therefore he works from YHVH. Ha-Satan does not have the same free-will as we do so he has no choice but do YHVH's bidding. Angels as we all know work under God. Ha-Satan=angel (but not Lucifer.) Angel=God's employees. If Ha-Satan=angel and Angel=God's Employees. The Ha-Satan=YHVH's b***h. I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan You're reasoning is astoundingly twisted. That would be like saying: Rhinos have horns. Horns denote evil. Rhinos are, therefore, evil. Angels are God's creation, and yes, they are under His command. Angels have some degree of free will. If they didn't, Lucifer wouldn't have been able to think he could ascend above the Most High and convince a third of the other angels to follow him in his coup d'etat. I’ll erase this feeling…
I still have a long life don’t I?
kono omoi wo keshiteshimau ni ha
mada jinsei nagai deshou? Again your understanding and comprehension of Jewish canon is severely limited. In order to understand and comprehend the Bible and it's entirity you have to examine the beings that came from it. For example you have to understand where Ha-Satan came from and his role in Jewish canon. Ha-Satan is an angel. However he is not nor was he ever Lucifer. People, ever since Paradise Lost came out, have been confusing Lucifer for Satan for the past few centuries. According to Jewish canon Satan is not Lucifer and Lucifer is not Satan. They are two entirely different beings, something that must be understood by Christians. Lucifer is a Babylonian King. Not Satan. If you dig a little deeper into the meaning of Isaiah and understand the metaphors being used in the Book of Isaiah then you would understand that Lucifer is a Babylonian King. Ha-Satan is an angel, and as we all know angels follow and obey YHVH. They are his workers. His slaves. Unlike humans they have no free will of their own and cannot disobey him. Ha-Satan's name means adversary. It does not mean big evil guy with two horns and a pointy tail who wants to destroy humanity. No. That's a misconception. Ha-Satan's job is to test humans to see if humanity is ready to be with their Father. That's it. It's even evidenced in the Book of Job for ******** sake! My reasoning isn't twisted. You're basically calling the origin of the Bible, which is that of Jewish canon, twisted. So in turn you're calling your own deity, twisted. :3 I’m missing the feeling…
so this pain is also welcomed!
natsukashiku naru
konna itami mo kangeijan Show me where I can read this. Celeblin What Satan is in Judaism: Satan is the servant of God (Talmud, several books, such as Baba Bathra 15 and 16) and has to receive permission to operate (the Book of Job, chapter 1). Because of his asking of permission to torment Job, he is believed by Rabbis in the Talmud to not possess free will. In Jewish angelology, Ha-Satan is a title meaning accuser given to the Angel of Death, Samael, in his role as the Accuser of Man. You have to remember, in Judaism, God created Good and Evil, and as such, he can both glorify and punish, and Satan is one of those instruments of punishments. He torments man, so that the may overcome said torment and persevere. He's not entirely bad in that sense, but he does a dirty job so that man can learn from it and better themselves. Jewish Angels are a pretty foreign concept to the west. We see angels as foofy guardian spirits that just help you and shine lights in your heart and all that good s**t. We don't really think about the descriptions of angels in the bible (which are horrifying. Dozens of eyes and hundreds of wings and flaming tongues and so on), and the angels which do some pretty nasty s**t in the bible, like rain fire on Sodom and Gomorrah, or guard Eden with a flaming sword. We aren't so much dealing with cute baby cherubs here as we are the servitors of a war God.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:42 am
 ooo ooo
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I am a Christian. I don't think the religion is getting out of hand, it's the people.
Religion is man-made. It is to represent what we feel comfortable when it comes to our beliefs. It is meant to bring light into the importaint questions in life like:
Why are we here?
Is there a God(s)?
Where do we go when we die?
What is the meaning of life?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
These kind of questions.
For me, I believe that there is a God. We are here to serve God. We rest until Jesus returns. The meaning of life is simply a question that God placed in our heads to ask but not find an answer. And why bad things happen to good people only means that we must love them the same way Jesus loves us and them.
Now what bothers me with Christianity:
Many of the Christians act as if because they are "saved" they have the right to judge those who aren't. In the bible it states that we are not to do that very thing. If we judge those then we are judging ourselves. If we judge them badly, then we are allowing Jesus and the Saints of the World to judge us the same way we judged others.
When it comes to matters such as morality and upholding the commandments, I refuse to partake in the judgment of man. I know that I cannot judge them because I don't know all of their actions, past, present, and future. God knows. The Saints of the World will see. They will pass judgment on the world when the time comes. I cannot partake on it simply because I do not know if I am even worthy to uphold such a position.
It saddens me when I see Christians talk lowly of other people, from other Christians who go under a different branch, to those who are homosexuals, prostitutes, ect. When it comes to those people who are following the wrong path, I prey that God will protect them and bless them. I prey that God watch over them and guide them because only He knows what they are really going through. Not me, those who are judging now, the dog. Only God.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:51 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:11 am
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:13 am
The Fagot Tree oooooo
______________________________________________________________________
I am a Christian. I don't think the religion is getting out of hand, it's the people.
Religion is man-made. It is to represent what we feel comfortable when it comes to our beliefs. It is meant to bring light into the importaint questions in life like:
Why are we here?
Is there a God(s)?
Where do we go when we die?
What is the meaning of life?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
These kind of questions.
For me, I believe that there is a God. We are here to serve God. We rest until Jesus returns. The meaning of life is simply a question that God placed in our heads to ask but not find an answer. And why bad things happen to good people only means that we must love them the same way Jesus loves us and them.
Now what bothers me with Christianity:
Many of the Christians act as if because they are "saved" they have the right to judge those who aren't. In the bible it states that we are not to do that very thing. If we judge those then we are judging ourselves. If we judge them badly, then we are allowing Jesus and the Saints of the World to judge us the same way we judged others.
When it comes to matters such as morality and upholding the commandments, I refuse to partake in the judgment of man. I know that I cannot judge them because I don't know all of their actions, past, present, and future. God knows. The Saints of the World will see. They will pass judgment on the world when the time comes. I cannot partake on it simply because I do not know if I am even worthy to uphold such a position.
It saddens me when I see Christians talk lowly of other people, from other Christians who go under a different branch, to those who are homosexuals, prostitutes, ect. When it comes to those people who are following the wrong path, I prey that God will protect them and bless them. I prey that God watch over them and guide them because only He knows what they are really going through. Not me, those who are judging now, the dog. Only God. Except homosexuals aren't on the wrong path because there is a such thing as a homosexual Christian and the Bible doesn't prohibit the act of being gay. Just the act of sex and male prostitution..
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:07 am
xLady Tsukiyox The Fagot Tree oooooo
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I am a Christian. I don't think the religion is getting out of hand, it's the people.
Religion is man-made. It is to represent what we feel comfortable when it comes to our beliefs. It is meant to bring light into the importaint questions in life like:
Why are we here?
Is there a God(s)?
Where do we go when we die?
What is the meaning of life?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
These kind of questions.
For me, I believe that there is a God. We are here to serve God. We rest until Jesus returns. The meaning of life is simply a question that God placed in our heads to ask but not find an answer. And why bad things happen to good people only means that we must love them the same way Jesus loves us and them.
Now what bothers me with Christianity:
Many of the Christians act as if because they are "saved" they have the right to judge those who aren't. In the bible it states that we are not to do that very thing. If we judge those then we are judging ourselves. If we judge them badly, then we are allowing Jesus and the Saints of the World to judge us the same way we judged others.
When it comes to matters such as morality and upholding the commandments, I refuse to partake in the judgment of man. I know that I cannot judge them because I don't know all of their actions, past, present, and future. God knows. The Saints of the World will see. They will pass judgment on the world when the time comes. I cannot partake on it simply because I do not know if I am even worthy to uphold such a position.
It saddens me when I see Christians talk lowly of other people, from other Christians who go under a different branch, to those who are homosexuals, prostitutes, ect. When it comes to those people who are following the wrong path, I prey that God will protect them and bless them. I prey that God watch over them and guide them because only He knows what they are really going through. Not me, those who are judging now, the dog. Only God. Except homosexuals aren't on the wrong path because there is a such thing as a homosexual Christian and the Bible doesn't prohibit the act of being gay. Just the act of sex and male prostitution.. oooooo
______________________________________________________________________
Those are the ones I am talking about.
I probably should have worded it better.
I do prey for the Christian Homosexuals simply because the feeling of being trapped between beliefs and love is very difficult to grasp. To fall in love with somebody of the same sex and have a relationship with them, but knowing that in doing so is "wrong" is a very difficult and torturous battle between the soul and the heart.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:37 am
The Fagot Tree xLady Tsukiyox The Fagot Tree oooooo
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I am a Christian. I don't think the religion is getting out of hand, it's the people.
Religion is man-made. It is to represent what we feel comfortable when it comes to our beliefs. It is meant to bring light into the importaint questions in life like:
Why are we here?
Is there a God(s)?
Where do we go when we die?
What is the meaning of life?
Why do bad things happen to good people?
These kind of questions.
For me, I believe that there is a God. We are here to serve God. We rest until Jesus returns. The meaning of life is simply a question that God placed in our heads to ask but not find an answer. And why bad things happen to good people only means that we must love them the same way Jesus loves us and them.
Now what bothers me with Christianity:
Many of the Christians act as if because they are "saved" they have the right to judge those who aren't. In the bible it states that we are not to do that very thing. If we judge those then we are judging ourselves. If we judge them badly, then we are allowing Jesus and the Saints of the World to judge us the same way we judged others.
When it comes to matters such as morality and upholding the commandments, I refuse to partake in the judgment of man. I know that I cannot judge them because I don't know all of their actions, past, present, and future. God knows. The Saints of the World will see. They will pass judgment on the world when the time comes. I cannot partake on it simply because I do not know if I am even worthy to uphold such a position.
It saddens me when I see Christians talk lowly of other people, from other Christians who go under a different branch, to those who are homosexuals, prostitutes, ect. When it comes to those people who are following the wrong path, I prey that God will protect them and bless them. I prey that God watch over them and guide them because only He knows what they are really going through. Not me, those who are judging now, the dog. Only God. Except homosexuals aren't on the wrong path because there is a such thing as a homosexual Christian and the Bible doesn't prohibit the act of being gay. Just the act of sex and male prostitution.. oooooo
______________________________________________________________________
Those are the ones I am talking about.
I probably should have worded it better.
I do prey for the Christian Homosexuals simply because the feeling of being trapped between beliefs and love is very difficult to grasp. To fall in love with somebody of the same sex and have a relationship with them, but knowing that in doing so is "wrong" is a very difficult and torturous battle between the soul and the heart. Except you're neglecting two things. 1. God is Love. 2. There's an "a" in pray. Not "e.
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