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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:04 pm
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uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel I think I've reconsidered, and my first CCW gun is probably going to be a Kel-Tec in a Holdster. I don't care how fast you are, the guy with a gun already out wins the draw. If you're sneaky, you can get the holdster out and aimed before he realizes it's a gun and not the wallet he just asked you for. I shot a Kel-Tec/Holdster combo once, and it's surprisingly easy to use. I'm not saying you should never OC, but it has a time and a place. I'd OC in a place where I'm surrounded by pro-gunners like myself, like a convention, the range, a rally, or something like that. Or if I was planning to be alone. But I'd never wear one out into the world just because. Then again, I'm really introverted IRL, so whatever. And the only reason cops get fidgety is because THEY ARE NOT USED TO IT. People didn't used to do it. Enough people didn't do it before, so they didn't properly train their patrol officers in the carry laws of their state and/or city ordinances. In many states and cities, open carry has ended with the police being properly trained in those laws, so that they do not accost law-abiding citizens. In fact, for every one "bad meeting" you read about, there are two good meetings you read about, and eight more that are never written because they don't warrant it Those "wallet holsters" are AOWs. Correction, it BARELY skates the "AOW" designation because it only covers the trigger guard. It also kind of defeats one of the many points of a proper holster--to prevent something from snagging and pulling the trigger. Other designs, though, ARE AOWs if they happen to ALSO cover the slide instead of just the trigger guard. I carry my wallet in my front-right pocket. I'd keep the holdster in my rear-right, with nothing else in that pocket. The point of the holdster is to make the pistol print through your pocket square, not gun-shaped. The gun isn't meant to be removed from it for firing. Consider it a very strange set of grips, not a holster. It's still considered a holster, and it's still barely saved. They did use to make a "full wallet" for the NAA that was found an AOW. According to the creator, it's to prevent it from rotating in your pocket, and to give better leverage (since none are particularly fun to shoot, nor comfortable) It is pretty much just the forward portion of a normal pocket holster. Sure it's actually a holster, but you remove a gun from its holster to fire it. The holdster stays on the gun at all times, so it's easier to think of it as a monogrip. "NAA"? I feel like I should know the abbreviation, but it eludes me. It also makes the thing look just like a wallet. Imagine that without the extended mag base and you've got a better idea. Having fired one, I gotta say it was surprisingly controllable. Moreso than the mini-1911 in .380 that I fired next. You just have to get used to it. It's a holster by law, I consider it a holster. North American Arms. More specifically, what they are famous for, their micro-revolvers, usually in .22WMR, and more recently micro-pistols in new calibers like .32NAA. I've seen the pictures a zillion times. It would still make it an AOW if they made it cover the slide. You're no fun.
Right. They make a lot of derringers, no?
And the Serbu would be illegal if it were made from old shotguns, and .51DTC would be illegal if it were a millimeter longer and named .50BMG. I fail to see your point. Why is the fact that it's barely not restricted a good or a bad thing if it's unlikely it'll become illegal soon?
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:33 pm
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Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel I carry my wallet in my front-right pocket. I'd keep the holdster in my rear-right, with nothing else in that pocket. The point of the holdster is to make the pistol print through your pocket square, not gun-shaped. The gun isn't meant to be removed from it for firing. Consider it a very strange set of grips, not a holster. It's still considered a holster, and it's still barely saved. They did use to make a "full wallet" for the NAA that was found an AOW. According to the creator, it's to prevent it from rotating in your pocket, and to give better leverage (since none are particularly fun to shoot, nor comfortable) It is pretty much just the forward portion of a normal pocket holster. Sure it's actually a holster, but you remove a gun from its holster to fire it. The holdster stays on the gun at all times, so it's easier to think of it as a monogrip. "NAA"? I feel like I should know the abbreviation, but it eludes me. It also makes the thing look just like a wallet. Imagine that without the extended mag base and you've got a better idea. Having fired one, I gotta say it was surprisingly controllable. Moreso than the mini-1911 in .380 that I fired next. You just have to get used to it. It's a holster by law, I consider it a holster. North American Arms. More specifically, what they are famous for, their micro-revolvers, usually in .22WMR, and more recently micro-pistols in new calibers like .32NAA. I've seen the pictures a zillion times. It would still make it an AOW if they made it cover the slide. You're no fun. Right. They make a lot of derringers, no? And the Serbu would be illegal if it were made from old shotguns, and .51DTC would be illegal if it were a millimeter longer and named .50BMG. I fail to see your point. Why is the fact that it's barely not restricted a good or a bad thing if it's unlikely it'll become illegal soon? From their current offerings on their website, not anymore.
They cannibalized a common idea (at the time) and made it so it was legal. I still don't particularly like it because it doesn't cover the trigger, and only lets me use two fingers to shoot with. Mike, the manager (really owner, but his son is the one who started the place) of Austin's Tennessee Firearms, carry a Seecamp 32 in a standard a** pocket holster in his shirt's "document pocket" (he always wears those range shirts) and it draws just fine. It looks just like a wallet while doing a** carry. Yes, I will continue to call them a** pockets and a** carry.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:06 am
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uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel I carry my wallet in my front-right pocket. I'd keep the holdster in my rear-right, with nothing else in that pocket. The point of the holdster is to make the pistol print through your pocket square, not gun-shaped. The gun isn't meant to be removed from it for firing. Consider it a very strange set of grips, not a holster. It's still considered a holster, and it's still barely saved. They did use to make a "full wallet" for the NAA that was found an AOW. According to the creator, it's to prevent it from rotating in your pocket, and to give better leverage (since none are particularly fun to shoot, nor comfortable) It is pretty much just the forward portion of a normal pocket holster. Sure it's actually a holster, but you remove a gun from its holster to fire it. The holdster stays on the gun at all times, so it's easier to think of it as a monogrip. "NAA"? I feel like I should know the abbreviation, but it eludes me. It also makes the thing look just like a wallet. Imagine that without the extended mag base and you've got a better idea. Having fired one, I gotta say it was surprisingly controllable. Moreso than the mini-1911 in .380 that I fired next. You just have to get used to it. It's a holster by law, I consider it a holster. North American Arms. More specifically, what they are famous for, their micro-revolvers, usually in .22WMR, and more recently micro-pistols in new calibers like .32NAA. I've seen the pictures a zillion times. It would still make it an AOW if they made it cover the slide. You're no fun. Right. They make a lot of derringers, no? And the Serbu would be illegal if it were made from old shotguns, and .51DTC would be illegal if it were a millimeter longer and named .50BMG. I fail to see your point. Why is the fact that it's barely not restricted a good or a bad thing if it's unlikely it'll become illegal soon? From their current offerings on their website, not anymore. They cannibalized a common idea (at the time) and made it so it was legal. I still don't particularly like it because it doesn't cover the trigger, and only lets me use two fingers to shoot with. Mike, the manager (really owner, but his son is the one who started the place) of Austin's Tennessee Firearms, carry a Seecamp 32 in a standard a** pocket holster in his shirt's "document pocket" (he always wears those range shirts) and it draws just fine. It looks just like a wallet while doing a** carry. Yes, I will continue to call them a** pockets and a** carry. The trick is, with a black pistol and black leather, you can make the thing look like a wallet AFTER it's drawn, too. The effect is doubled if you duracoat the gun leather brown and use the brown holdster, too. Nobody expects a leather-colored gun. And no, it doesn't cover the trigger, but if something rips a hole through your a** pocket and pulls the trigger on you, you would have gotten a half-inch long AND deep gash on your a** anyway, so a .380 graze on the cheek and muzzle burn is still a win. Your a** pocket is the holster. Like I said, it makes more sense as a monogrip than a holster. It was not meant to replace the holster at all.
And trust me, even with two fingers, you've got a wide grip base which gives you a lot of leverage to combat muzzle flip, and it's still only a .380. Like I said, it's remarkably controllable.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:33 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:28 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:48 am
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 8:34 am
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uryu ishida Fresnel Das Rabble Rouser If I were going to rob a burger king or something I'd probably check for anyone open carrying first. Concealed carry is somewhat of a blind risk we're taking but an obviously armed target would be wise to disarm first. Yeah... I gotta say, if I were going balls-out to rob a Burger King and I wasn't above killing someone, I'd start off the robbery with a bullet in the head of the guy with a gun on his hip. No "this is a robbery!", just *blam* "everybody on the ******** floor!" Paranoia. Point out a case in history this has ever happened. It hasn't. Remember, shiny side out. I reiterate. Criminals aren't the bravest, or most dedicated of people. They would avoid a hard target like the plague if there are softer targets available elsewhere. Oh yes, because nobody's ever shot a guard during a bank robbery. Such things are inconceivable.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 12:28 pm
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:33 pm
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uryu ishida Fresnel Das Rabble Rouser If I were going to rob a burger king or something I'd probably check for anyone open carrying first. Concealed carry is somewhat of a blind risk we're taking but an obviously armed target would be wise to disarm first. Yeah... I gotta say, if I were going balls-out to rob a Burger King and I wasn't above killing someone, I'd start off the robbery with a bullet in the head of the guy with a gun on his hip. No "this is a robbery!", just *blam* "everybody on the ******** floor!" Paranoia. Point out a case in history this has ever happened. It hasn't. Remember, shiny side out. I reiterate. Criminals aren't the bravest, or most dedicated of people. They would avoid a hard target like the plague if there are softer targets available elsewhere. As I said before IF I were going to do it that would be my first move.
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Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:38 pm
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Fresnel uryu ishida Fresnel Das Rabble Rouser If I were going to rob a burger king or something I'd probably check for anyone open carrying first. Concealed carry is somewhat of a blind risk we're taking but an obviously armed target would be wise to disarm first. Yeah... I gotta say, if I were going balls-out to rob a Burger King and I wasn't above killing someone, I'd start off the robbery with a bullet in the head of the guy with a gun on his hip. No "this is a robbery!", just *blam* "everybody on the ******** floor!" Paranoia. Point out a case in history this has ever happened. It hasn't. Remember, shiny side out. I reiterate. Criminals aren't the bravest, or most dedicated of people. They would avoid a hard target like the plague if there are softer targets available elsewhere. Oh yes, because nobody's ever shot a guard during a bank robbery. Such things are inconceivable. And a bank is tons different than a burger King. They are going after EXPONENTIALLY LARGER amounts of money, and know their are cameras. The average robber or criminal doesn't go after a BANK, they go after much softer targets. If the average p***y of a criminal has the balls to rob a bank, a ******** more would get robbed and a ******** more people would get killed. you can what-if your way to the goddamn moon, it's all paranoia. Go ask OpenCarry.org how many of their members were shot or were targeted because they open carried.
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