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The Adulterous Wife: My Testimony

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Garland-Green

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:00 pm
The Adulterous Wife: My Testimony  
PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2014 11:03 pm
I didn't watch the video but something I noticed in the description is that this person seems to be saying that remarriage is not allowed, which is untrue, the only way it's allowed though is if you do it lawfully according to scripture being that your spouse has committed adultery against you with another person (Matthew 5:31-32, Matthew 19:1-9) and though lusting after a woman and watching pornography is sexually immorral, it is not the grounds for divorce that Jesus is speaking of, I believe it is only allowed when a person physically commits adultery not just mentally but physically with another. Paul also says in 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 that if a person is married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever leaves then they are free from that bondage and I believe that they may now remarry since they have been freed from this bondage to the unbelieving spouse that left. A person who has been widowed may also remarry according to scripture (1 Corinthians 7:8-9). However it is my firm belief that because we are called to forgive and to love that we must not seek to divorce a person who has commited adultery against us or has left us but rather that both times reconcilliation should be sought (Hosea chapters 1, 2, and 3, Matthew 18:21-35, Matthew 5:43-48 ) because we are called to both love and forgive and not even God seeks to divorce his people but has always sought them out even when he threatened to divorce them for being unfaithful, he would always seek to restore his people to himself, the only way I believe it would be allowed is in the case of unrepentant adultery, where the person refuses to return to you and remarries or perhaps maybe even if they continue to do it repeatidly and are unrepentant of it but are still with you, however this last one where they simply continue to do it unrepentantly but continue to stay with you I'm actually not sure if this would be grounds for divorce but it might actually be, I think it may be but I don't know, that's something to look into and pray about, however, if the person actually repents and desires to remain with you then I don't believe you should divorce them, which this would go in general for all of these reasons I have given where scripture says you may divorce, that you do not seek to be divorced from your spouse unless they have remarried in which case I believe it would be unlawful and sinful for you to take them back but rather this person should seek to stay with the spouse they married and that would go for you as well if you have remarried then you should be faithful to the spouse you have married and seek to remain with them because if you don't remain faithful to them then you would commit adultery and would be sinning. Also, in the case where the unbeliever leaves you, I do believe you may remarry if you see that they really aren't coming back but if they were to come back to you and were seeking to be reconcilled to you before you remarry, I believe it would be the right thing to do to be reconcilled to them and forgive them and love them and be faithful to them. Lastly, if your spouse has remarried, you do not have to take them back even if they were lawfully divorced or widowed from their spouse, which I actually think this might be sinful if you did renew your marriage with a person who divorced you and then remarried or if you were remarried but now are lawfully divorced (according to the grounds permitted by scripture) or widowed based on what Deuteronomy 24:1-4 says about divorce and remarriage in a situation like this but I don't know, this is something I'm not sure about and it would be something to pray about and look into if you were desiring to renew your marriage with this person. Hopefully this made sense and I explained this correctly, all of this is all just my understanding of things and you may correct me if you see anything wrong with this.

Divorce and Remarriage

Are people who remarry in danger of committing perpetual adultery?  

starry night-163


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:25 pm
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starry night-163


I listened to her whole testimony (minus the movie clip at the end because I'm unsure of whether she has the legal right to use the footage or not; I don't want to commit theft). But it would have been wise had you listened to her testimony first.


      • Proverbs 18:13 (NIV)

        13 To answer before listening—
              that is folly and shame.



She was aware of Hosea and Gomer and spoke of reconciling to one's spouse despite them being unfaithful. In her case in particular, God led her husband to accept her back and God moved her to read Hosea to know she would be accepted once she repented. When she says remarriage is sin, she's referring to remarriage to someone else, not reconciling once again to the same person you were originally married to (and by the sound of things, he hadn't remarried anyone).

And on that note, I actually do agree with her: unless one of the spouses has died, remarriage to a different person is sin. Whether it's Abigail and David, or Israel and YHWH, the only thing that released them from their vows/covenant was death. Abigail's husband, Nabal, was struck dead by YHWH before David took her as a wife i.e. 1 Samuel 25:38-39.

      • 1 Samuel 25:38-39 (NIV)

        38 About ten days later, the Lord struck Nabal and he died.

        39 When David heard that Nabal was dead, he said, “Praise be to the Lord, who has upheld my cause against Nabal for treating me with contempt. He has kept his servant from doing wrong and has brought Nabal’s wrongdoing down on his own head.”

        Then David sent word to Abigail, asking her to become his wife.


...and before Israel could be reconciled to God, YHWH manifested as Jesus to come die, and release Israel / annul their marriage covenant.

      • Romans 7:2-3 (NIV)

        2 For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. 3 So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.


But we/Israel must die, be born-again, too, since Israel joined herself to Baal. YHWH is not about to become "one" with Baal (Israel fornicating with Baal makes them one body; if YHWH goes into Israel, he becomes one with Baal too; that syncretism cannot happen). She must become a new creature / new person. Besides that, our death (and born-again-ness) is necessary for a second reason: I think it makes God commit adultery (since she was with Baal for a while after YHWH divorced her).

      • Matthew 5:32 (NIV)

        32 But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, makes her the victim of adultery, and anyone who marries a divorced woman commits adultery.


In order for adultery to be avoided, by both parties (Israel and God), death had to happen.

The divorced person, despite divorcing under lawful (according to God's law) reasons, should not remarry a different person, but stay single—unless they reconcile with their former spouse. That's the only way they won't be living in singlehood after a lawful divorce. Unless death/widowhood happens to them too, then go ahead and marry a different person because your spouse died.

I hope/expect that was clear. And I'm open to correction too if needed.

That said, I loved her testimony. We share the same heart. Love God with all your being, seek to obey according to his way, not our own. He will equip us with all we need the moment we're interested in obeying. Avoid the worldly counsel. We must stay faithful 'til the end. God is more than willing to stay faithful and is just waiting for our repentance. heart  
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