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 Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:15 pm
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:22 am
@16:19-28 "And so Scripture says, 'look, if anything that person
says is not accurate or true then all of what he says is to be
discounted'."
What is he referring to when he says, "all"? everything spoken in the past
is also false? or just the message he stood up to speak? It's frustrating
when people paraphrase Dt 18:20 this way because 1.that's not what
scripture literally says and 2.it's confusing—(is he insinuating that we
discount everything the man ever said in the past? or just the false word
he spoke?). If he is suggesting we do the former instead of the latter,
then he's wrong.
First, what YHWH literally said is if a prophet comes speaking in YHWH's
name, a word that YHWH didn't actually command him to say, that's when
the prophet dies.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 (KJV)
20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name,
which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the
name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the
Lord hath not spoken?
22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow
not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken,
but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid
of him.
What does that have to do what they said previously in the past? I'm not
convinced that "all" of what a prophet ever said is false (aside from the
specific false word he spoke). If that's what he meant, okay. Otherwise,
Scripture disagrees with him:
1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 (KJV)
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
1 Kings 22:23-24 (KJV)
23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying
spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and
the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.
24 But Zedekiah the son of Chenaanah went near,
and smote Micaiah on the cheek, and said, Which way
went the Spirit of the Lord from me to speak unto
thee?
Did they always have a lying spirit? If the answer to that is "no", then it
doesn't seem like Zedekiah was always a false prophet. So the stuff he
was saying prior to "now having a lying spirit in his mouth" would have
been true.
The type of false "word" I could see Deuteronomy 18:20 applied to is if a
person said, "within 1 year YHWH will do this", a year passes, and it
doesn't come to pass.
Otherwise, problem: what if certain parts of the prophecy won't get fulfilled
until thousands of years later? and the timing was never revealed? or badly
interperted? >_> and everyone decides to stone him because it hasn't
happened yet (seems like it didn't come to pass, from their erroneous
interpretation of it)? That unnecessarily and unjustly kills true prophets.
I agree that YHWH does require 100% accuracy if it's going to be
preserved...
Proverbs 12:19 (KJV)
19 The lip of truth shall be established for ever:
but a lying tongue is but for a moment.
...(whether the "it" being preserved is a person's life in the set-apart
community or a piece of writing that gets approved to become canon).
It will be 100%. And we're suppose to get rid of people, and messages,
from our midst that are not 100% faithful to YHWH. In spirit, I think that
allows for showing the false teaching if we debunk them (kill them) in the
process. Kind of like how YHWH allows the dead bodies of people to
serve as memorials of rebellion. "This stuff is against me."
Isaiah 66:24 (KJV)
24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have
transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire
be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
If they killed the person, then they would kill their false comments too. The
moment you become false is the moment you / your idea must be killed by
others.
Obviously, if it nullifies something YHWH said in the Old Testament, we're
suppose to reject it as well.
Isaiah 8:20 (KJV)
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.
Acts 17:11 (KJV)
11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received
the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.
But I'm not a fan of people paraphrasing Deuteronomy 18:20 the way he did.
It's not a clear and accurate representation of what literally appears in the
text.
However, I agree with the overall message.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 1:34 pm
Very interesting. I can't really say if that is what he meant or not. It was a little too vague to say for certain. I agree with you though. You can't discount everything someone has ever said that was correct before if they slip into apostasy or make some error.
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:55 pm
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:54 pm
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:40 am
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:27 am
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 3:12 am
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