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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 11:09 am
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Starlock Nihilistic Seraph .Curiously.Fruity. Why, being a pagan, must one 'reject' the idea of creationism? It seems a bit silly to me. In Kemeticism there was creation, Ma'at, Ra and another God created the world and gave it rules, however, does this mean that evolution didn't occur? Of course it doesn't. To me, I don't see 'Mother Nature' as being a deity that 'created' Earth. But rather a deity that balances nature and creates and puts forth those subtle changes known as evolution. Perhaps, I've totally misunderstood what you've asked, but eh, it makes sense to me. biggrin Creationism in paganism has all the same problems as it does in monotheism - who created the creator? The problem of causation, which no mythology I've run into has satifactorily answered for myself. If you think about them on a metaphorical sense, maybe they work though. Except that wouldn't the Pagan equivalent of creationism not seperate creator from creation? Since Paganism typically ascribes to the immanence of the divine as opposed to putting a wall between the divine and the material world? Just wondering because that's how I see it. Creator isn't seperate from creation; the whole thing runs and sustains itself in repeating cycles. Still, I think we run into causation problems again.
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Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:44 am
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Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:25 pm
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:46 am
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:34 am
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Posted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:58 pm
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Nihilistic Seraph Oh for sure, but to have that view when it comes to spirituality and religion, things get a little strange. I think it was Clifford that argued that you should have adequate proof for anything you believe, because your beliefs are what affect your actions, and your actions others, so what right do you have to believe something that affects others when it could very easily be false. However, I'm aware that the argument goes both ways, so I leave a response to you 3nodding
What constitutes adequate proof? Until relatively recently, adequate proof wasn't anywhere near the standards of proof we tend to require now (ie, scientific). We seemed to survive okay as a species without tougher standards of proof (after all, I was born and you were born!).
Beliefs definately influence actions. Perhaps moreso, they influence how you see and perceive the world, reality, itself. That's a damned powerful thing. That is sometimes used as one of the founding principles of working magic. The question of rights is more complicated. Morality is often rather complicated. sweatdrop Not sure I want to touch that at the moment.
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Posted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:20 pm
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My whole belief system is based on energy. It's something that can be proven. I can see it, affect it, and have it effect me so I know it exists (another reason a lot of people reject christianity is because of the "just believe" theory. See My Anonymous Donor on Blogger for my whole explanation). Moving on. When you focus enough energy on something, you effect change in it, regardless of how minute, it is still change. (definition of magic*k*: using your energy to effect change in the world around you) "Mother Nature" is something I see as a profound energy source. I don't see a woman sitting on a throne of ivy anymore then I see a god sitting on a throne of gold. Humans focus a lot of energy, most of it negative in the form of pollution and littering, on mother nature and that strengthens the energy source. The energy is not necessarily a concious thing but I believe that it has an equilibrium to maintain. Since humans are basically a plague of locusts on this planet which we've proven by our actions, the energy we consider mother nature has to balance it out by doing what it needs to; to eliminate the problem.
But hey, W says global warming doesn't exist so we're okay right? LOL
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:35 pm
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Starlock Nihilistic Seraph Oh for sure, but to have that view when it comes to spirituality and religion, things get a little strange. I think it was Clifford that argued that you should have adequate proof for anything you believe, because your beliefs are what affect your actions, and your actions others, so what right do you have to believe something that affects others when it could very easily be false. However, I'm aware that the argument goes both ways, so I leave a response to you 3nodding What constitutes adequate proof? Until relatively recently, adequate proof wasn't anywhere near the standards of proof we tend to require now (ie, scientific). We seemed to survive okay as a species without tougher standards of proof (after all, I was born and you were born!). Beliefs definately influence actions. Perhaps moreso, they influence how you see and perceive the world, reality, itself. That's a damned powerful thing. That is sometimes used as one of the founding principles of working magic. The question of rights is more complicated. Morality is often rather complicated. sweatdrop Not sure I want to touch that at the moment. Epistemic JTB proof? Let's ignore the skeptic's argument for the moment...
Do you agree that's there is a morality of belief though?
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Nihilistic Seraph Vice Captain
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 6:51 am
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Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 10:58 pm
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Starlock The right to freedom of thought and to believe what one wishes? The obligation to 'the truth' for the sake of morality? Of course that introduces the problem of what 'the truth' precisely IS. sweatdrop
I don't think we have an obligation to the truth for the sake of morality precisely because truth is a fluid, ever changing, evolving organism that nobody can agree on.
I guarantee that there are members of this guild who hold certain truths to be self evident that i would scoff at and vice versa.
My morality is definitely different from another persons and the next persons is going to be far different from mine.
If you were to ask a sociopath what their truth was, you would be appalled and yet, for them (although my opinion says they are whacked) that is their truth and their morality. So, to me, the only obligation is the right to believe in what one wishes and be able to have freedom of thought.
Of course, I also don't think that freedom of thought transforms automatically into freedom of deed. Just because I can think something, doesn't mean I have a moral obligation to do it. In fact, some of the things I think, I believe I have a moral obligation to not do.
So, I have expounded for the evening LOL
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Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 8:02 am
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Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:50 pm
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