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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:23 am
Because it's been a while since we all had a nice discussion about it. This is mainly because I thought about Mamoru's situation as being the only male human within a group of females (Artemis as well <<; ) to be part of their team.
Of course this part is solely based on the Manga with 'Sailor Crystals' as an anime reference for those that don't know what I'm saying when I say 'True Starseeds'.

*One of the sources I use: http://www.answers.com/topic/sailor-crystal


So lets start off and get your thoughts:



Starseeds, according to the Manga, is something that -everyone- has. Every living thing has a starseed and it originates from the Cauldron (assuming there's more than one cauldron per Universe-which is highly likely in my opinion as galaxies are huge therefore universes are unfathomably immense.).

Special starseeds are called "True Starseeds". And from what I gather these True Starseeds are starseeds (similar to Phobos and Demios) that have gained enough power to become so.

Basically put: They have the power to become 'Sailor Crystals' (as the anime puts it) and thus enabling them to become Sailor Soldiers.


However, (Just thinking really as I'm typing this) it also puts some confusion into the mix really. If all Sailor senshi appear female- as Naoko had once said all Sailors are female, yet she has also had it put down within 'writing' so to speak, that all Sailor senshi have True starseeds than the one male throughout the Sailor Moon Sagas has a True Starseed.

Which means: All Sailors (those with collars) are female but all soldiers (male and female) have "Sailor Crystals".

So, it's very likely that Mamoru has a True starseed because if he hadn't had one, Sailor Galaxia wouldn't have bothered to personally go and fetch it from him.


Though it makes me wondered about a few things in reference to the starseeds and how some become True starseeds. (do pardon my ramblings)


In the Manga, at the end of SuperS before the Coronation of King Endymion and Neo Queen Serenity (I consider it that though it is not offical.) Chibimoon in her Eternal form is with Helios when the Silver Crystal of her future changes into a True Starseed or rather the Pink Moon Crystal all on it's own. I thought about it and believe it is Chibimoon becoming a guardian in her own right.


I wonder about this myself. If that is how a starseed with power matures into a True starseed-which means anyone could, without reincarnation, be a Sailor senshi.
That the silver crystal evovled into Silver Moon Crystal- Sailor


What are your thoughts on this?

Sailor Soldiers being both male and female.

How Starseeds with powers evolve into True Starseeds/Sailor Crystals without reincarnation. Or not evolve but still have power.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 5:37 am
From what I understand, everyone has a star seed. Only a select few, however, become Sailor Crystals. It seems to me that it is the will and strength of the individual that determines whether a star seed becomes a Sailor Crystal, since the Sailor Crystal hangs out on a celestial body until it decides to take a host.

I'll illustrate an example using Naru and Usagi. For this example, we are going to pretend Usagi was never Princess Serenity and that the Silver Millennium didn't happen.

The moon has a Sailor Crystal inside it. The crystal bides there, gaining strength over time until it finds a host. However, there are no people on the moon, so it goes to Earth. On Earth, there are thousands of star seeds, one for each person. Eventually, the Sailor Crystal from the moon finds Naru and Usagi, who both have bright, shining star seeds. It looks at the two, their strength of character, and decides it likes Usagi better. She becomes Sailor Moon.

I had a fanfic, at one point, that delved a bit into the nature of Sailor Crystals. The main enemy was a woman named Amelia, who was Sailor Universe. She didn't become Sailor Universe because she had the Sailor Crystal that made her thus; she stole a pathetic, stunted Sailor Crystal and through a force of will made herself into Sailor Universe, growing the Crystal. She says to Sailor Moon in the story "It's not the Sailor Crystal that defines who you are a senshi, but you who define the Sailor Crystal. You make yourself into the soldier you want to be. The Sailor Crystal is just a means with which to become, but you must do the becoming."

By that logic, anyone can be a Sailor Soldier, and it justifies Mamoru being a soldier. Although, arguably, he isn't. He's just some dude who, by virtue of being the old prince of Earth, has some nifty powers.  

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 11:07 am
It makes some sense that by will Chibimoon became a soldier of her own right.

However I disagree with the last statement of Mamoru being 'just some dude' as it seems, he became a soldier just like everyone else. And based on your theory the Earth crystal probably could've chosen anyone but it chosen Endymion/Mamoru.

I don't know, I lump him in with the rest because to me he *is*, just lacks the collar that makes the senshi 'Sailors'.

But, yes, that is an interesting thought.  
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 3:30 pm
I'm not saying Mamo wasn't a soldier. He was. What I meant was that the whole Sailor Crystal choosing a host and then the host's will changing the Crystal explains how he is a soldier when all the others are women. I wouldn't deny for a minute that he's a senshi, because he is. All I'm saying is that he (as Prince Endymion) was just a random dude. However, his star seed shown bright enough that the Sailor Crystal hunkering down in the Earth decided he would make the best host.  

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 8:29 am
.>>; Considering how it all ended up it makes sense-especially Sailor moon and how it's heavily hinted that she becomes Sailor Cosmos. Since the Moon Starseed moved on to Chibimoon, than the Cosmos Starseed must've thought Sailor Moon was a very good host.

Than, based on your theory, When Eternal Sailor Moon melted in the Cauldron, the Cosmos Starseed could've taken the place of the Moon one allowing it to stay there until it goes out to the future where Chibiusa becomes Chibimoon. <<; And the Silver Crystal was still powerful but not as powerful as it once was.

o.o; *does that make sense?*  
PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 9:33 am
i just confused myself reading that xp  

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 10:41 am
My theory says that Sailor Moon still has her original star seed, and she has a Sailor Crystal. By maturing herself and her powers, she changes the Sailor Crystal so that she can attain different forms. Initially, the Sailor Crystal lets her become Sailor Moon. Through hard work, she gets her second transformation. Through more hard work, she becomes Super Sailor Moon. Each time she gains a new transformation, she is essentially changing her Sailor Crystal and her star seed in and of her own will power.

Frankly, though, I think Naoko Takeuchi wasn't too clear on how star seeds and Sailor Crystals work.  
PostPosted: Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:20 am
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My theory says that Sailor Moon still has her original star seed, and she has a Sailor Crystal. By maturing herself and her powers, she changes the Sailor Crystal so that she can attain different forms. Initially, the Sailor Crystal lets her become Sailor Moon. Through hard work, she gets her second transformation. Through more hard work, she becomes Super Sailor Moon. Each time she gains a new transformation, she is essentially changing her Sailor Crystal and her star seed in and of her own will power.

Frankly, though, I think Naoko Takeuchi wasn't too clear on how star seeds and Sailor Crystals work.


I don't think she did either. But then again, how would she have known that we'd be debating this stuff?


But, I think that's what Happened to Sailormoon. The Crystals themsevles just house the power.

I'm only testing this new theory out because as stated in the manga, a future self and a past self cannot co-exist at the same time.

If ChibiChibi is essentially, Sailor Cosmos, who in turn is Usagi's future self than they shouldn't be able to co-exist with Usagi.


Using the theory that the Cosmos Starseed replaces the Moon Starseed in some way or form (this is a little confusing as it probably makes this a Time paradox O.o; Like Chibiusa coming from the future to the past)-
then it is possible for ChibiChibi and Usagi to coexist together without the whole time would unravel and all that deal that Pluto warns them about.  

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:20 am
I believe that Mamoru is a senshi in his own right. One of my favorite websites by Nishi Rajan explains how Mamoru is the Earth Soldier and sheds light on his 'true starseed'

Quote:
From Earth Soldier
http://usagiandmamoru.com/mamoru/

In Manga Volume 12, we begin to learn more about Mamoru's background as Prince. He is not only the Crown Prince of Earth but heir to the Golden Kingdom. In this volume the evil villain Queen Neherenia has cast a curse upon Elysion, all of it has become black and dying. Elysion's priest, Elios has also been poisoned and turned in a pegasus. He contacts Mamoru through a mirror and tells him to find the Golden Crystal and apologizes for not protecting Mamoru. Mamo-chan, too, is slowly being posioned - his lungs have a black shadow.

In Manga volume 13, Mamoru falls unconcious, coughing up black blood, and the history unfolds.

"Mamo-chan!?" says Usagi.
"Don't look," he says.

She sees the blood on his hands. "Mamo-chan!? Black blood!?"

Mamoru kneels on his bed, coughing. The Pegasus stands next to him. All the soldiers show up.

"Black blood!!" says Usagi. "Mamo-chan! How long? Why is your blood black..."

"I don't know," he says. "Since a little while ago. My chest started hurting..."

"Elios!" says Chibi-Usa. "Tell me! You must know! Is Mamo-chan's black blood related to the enemies and you? Is this the enemies' doing!?"

"It seems the time has come already," says the Pegasus. "Let us talk." In a glowing light, the Pegasus transforms into a man, with the same gold horn on his forehead. He kneels before them. "I am Priest Elios of Elysion," he says.



"Priest Elios, of Elysion?" asks Chibi-Usa. "Elysion?"

"Elysion is the holy land that protects Earth," he says. "It quietly rests deep in the Earth, a place like the heart of this planet. I serve as a priest there. My mission is to continue watching over Elysion, and this planet Earth, and you, Prince Endymion. I am also the guardian priest of this planet and you."

"My guardian priest...?" thinks Mamoru.

"Since the distant past," continues Elios, "you have protected this planet all alone. Noble Prince Endymion."

"Do you know me?" he asks.

"Yes, Prince. But you probably don't know me. This planet is protected by the holy land Elysion. I live together with that Elysion. You, this planet, and Elysion and me. Our four spirits and bodies are linked. And those four spirits and bodies are starting to resonate."

"But for that," says Elios, "this is happening." A beam of light shines from his forehead to Mamoru's chest. A dark flower appears in front of him.

"Mamo-chan!?" says Usagi. "Inside your chest...!"

Mamoru looks at himself in the mirror.

"Inside my chest..." he thinks. "A black rose is blooming...!?"

"In my chest as well," says Elios. "A cursed black rose is ruining me. It is a sign of Elysion's ruining. Prince, you are suffering from a curse just like I and Elysion are."

"The form you are looking at is an illusion of me," says Elios. "My body now is also being changed into a Pegasus by the curse. I am confined to Elysion."

Elios tells them how important finding the Golden Crystal is to save Elysion and Mamo-chan. Later when Neherenia is attacking Usagi and Mamoru, Elios saves them by taking them to Elysion.

Usagi looks at the devastated land around her. "This place..."
"This is Elysion."

"Like the wasteland of the night..." thinks Mamoru.

Usagi sees black flowers on the ground. "Mamo-chan!"

"The black roses are a sign of the curse," says Elios. "Of this once beautiful Elysion becoming a land of nightmares. Let us proceed to the shrine."

They enter the old shrine, and climb the steps to the center, where a large crystal formation stands, holding two people inside. Both have two ponytails hanging from balls of hair.

"Is that... crystal?" Usagi says. "And people inside!?"

"Besides me," says Elios, "there are only two inhabitants of this land. Maidens serving the shrine. They are maenads. The crystal is the one hope of purifying this land. These two are sleeping, protected from the curse."

"This is familiar..." thinks Mamoru. "I feel like I know this building, the smell of this place."

"Prince, your kinsmen have always protected this shrine. And Elysion. This is the place where your dead kingdom, the Golden Kingdom, used to be."

"The Golden Kingdom...!" thinks Mamoru. "Yes... I know this place. The same winds as on the surface blow through the thick green of this sacred land that guards this planet, Elysion. I lived in this land, and I loved this place."

"That's right," says Elios. "From here, you went to the surface and protected this planet. Deep in this shrine, I offered my prayers to protect this planet. We never met each other, but our souls were always one. Our wishes were always one. And with the destined meeting of you two, again, we had the same wish. In your separate places, you couldn't be together. Then, too, the two of you shared the same mission, the same power, the same soul."

"The same mission?" says Mamoru. "The same power...the same soul?"

"You protected this planet Earth. The Silver Millennium from without, and the Golden Kingdom from within. And now that mission is carried in the two crystals of your kingdoms. The Mystical Silver Crystal is the holy stone of the Princess of the Silver Millennium. The Golden Crystal is the holy stone of the Prince of the Golden Kingdom. They send out your power."

"The Golden Crystal... is Mamo-chan's crystal!?"

"Here, in the heart of the shrine," says Elios, "is the tower of prayer. This is where I always offered my prayers, and received all sorts of revelations. Those revelations, too, I received at this tower."

Usagi then figures out that inside Mamoru must be the Golden Crystal. Mamoru is shocked - inside him all this time while he felt like he was only dragging Usagi down. But Usagi tells him: "I know it's there," Usagi says. "You've always filled me with strength. That strength always guided the power of my Mystical Silver Crystal. That strength was the very strength of the Golden Crystal! The time has come for that holy stone's power to be crystallized, and released!"

Finally in Manga Volume 15, Mamoru's Golden Crystal emerges! Usagi and Mamoru are hacking up blood and dangerously close to defeat.

"Come on, Mamoru!" Mamoru thinks. "If you don't live, Earth and Elysion won't be saved!"
"I have the power!" says Nephelenia. "You are as good as dust! Be destroyed! Now, everything is mine! I have the unbeatable power! Only I am the true ruler of space!!"

"No!!" Usagi shouts. She grabs Mamoru's outstretched hand. "Mamo-chan!"

"Give me strength, Usa!"

They hold each other and kiss deeply.

"We can't be destroyed here!" Mamoru says.

"Right," says Usagi. "We can't give in to this nightmare!!"

A sphere of light glows around the two. The Mystical Silver Crystal disappears from Nephelenia's hand. Usagi's sailor suit reappears on her body, as she kisses Mamoru.

"My chest is hot..." Usagi says. Light shines from Usagi and Mamoru's chests.

"Power is being born, but... I see."

"No, this can't be!!" shouts Nephelenia.

"Power isn't taken," says Usagi. "It's born. And power isn't born alone. You can't use it alone! I won't lose to anyone! I will show you our power!!"

The golden crescent moon shines on her forehead as she faces Nephelenia.

"Queen Selenity!?" Nephelenia says. "No, damnit!!"

Usagi reaches her arms to the sky, as the light shines above her.

The light spreads all around her. The sailor suits on the other soldiers vanish, replaced by dresses.

Everyone gives their crystal power to Sailor Moon. She transforms into Eternal Sailor Moon, she is also now the Queen Selenity. As everyone gives her their power, Mamoru looks upon her.

"If truly," thinks Mamoru, "the Golden Crystal is inside of me..." He holds his arms to his chest, and another glowing crystal appears. "Give its power to Eternal Sailor Moon!"

As Usagi combines their powers and forms an attack, she kills Neherenia, but not before the latter calls Mamoru the Prince of Earth, protected by the sun.

What happens next is amazing. We witness the coronation of Usagi and Mamoru as King and Queen.


A recommend you check out all of Nishi's sites smile  
PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:54 pm
It's not explaining but repeating what it says in the Manga. *Hath that copy.*  

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:26 pm
hehe yes but its picked out the parts of the manga that explain it -.-;; I am a huge SM addict, I hath all copies of the manga and anime as well heart  
PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:56 pm
Never been into the whole Anime thing- but Musical is a different thing..  

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