Which was the most advanced of the 4 Great Races

[Squirrelfang]

Not including the Furlings, which of the Four Great Races would you say was the most advanced and why?  

[Squirrelfang]

Personally, I've got to say the Nox. For one thing, they seem to have a far greater understanding of the world around them then the Ancients and Asgard do.

Furthermore, I would say that their minds are more powerful then the other two races. Their abilities to revive the dead, render themselves and others as invisible/invulnerable are all done through the power of the mind, which can be seen as a superior measuring stick towards advancement then technology, as it is a far more difficult thing to perfect.

Finally, you don't truly see any of their technology, aside from a flying city whose design looks somewhat similar to Atlantis...  

[Zenzenmotto]

I would have to say Nox as well, heck with a hand gesture one was able to turn on the Stargate. I would say they must as powerful if not more. BTW have we meet the Furlings yet? I know we have meet the other 3.  

[WolfeShade]

Whereas the Ancients don't even need a hand gesture to revive someone? I'm sorry, but if the Asgard scramble everytime they can get their hands on Ancient tech, I think I'm picking the Ancients as the most advanced. They don't even need ships to travel from one place to another either. They may be arrogant bastards, but they are a helluva lot more advanced.

The Nox are extremely advanced, as are the Asgard, no doubt but I still think the fact that the Ancients are the most advanced.  

[MerlynLover]

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-  

[WolfeShade]

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Thank you smile  

[Squirrelfang]

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Yes, the Ancients do have all of these advanced technologies (Stargates, Puddle Jumpers, etc). However, in the end, all of their abilities seem to be rooted in their technology. Even their assension was based on research of an extradimensional entity...

What we have seen from the Nox, however, is not rooted in their technology but from their minds. They shield entire cities through illusions, though it seems as if it is far more than an illusion. Also, Lya could open the wormholes without even dialing it up, something not even the Ascended could do.

Once again, the Nox have superior mental abilities then the Ancients, which as I see, counts more than sheer technological advancement.  

[Kazi-Kun]

Squirrelfang

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Yes, the Ancients do have all of these advanced technologies (Stargates, Puddle Jumpers, etc). However, in the end, all of their abilities seem to be rooted in their technology. Even their assension was based on research of an extradimensional entity...

What we have seen from the Nox, however, is not rooted in their technology but from their minds. They shield entire cities through illusions, though it seems as if it is far more than an illusion. Also, Lya could open the wormholes without even dialing it up, something not even the Ascended could do.

Once again, the Nox have superior mental abilities then the Ancients, which as I see, counts more than sheer technological advancement.

I agree with most of this. However about dialing the gate. She most likely made an illusion that the gate was not dialing so that she could help the Tollan make a fast exit. Remember they use illusions to hide or distort things. I doubt they have the mind power to establish a stable wormhole.  

[Uber_Bunny]

I'm going with the guys who no longer have the need for bodies.  

[Rhaella]

Kazi-Kun

Squirrelfang

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Yes, the Ancients do have all of these advanced technologies (Stargates, Puddle Jumpers, etc). However, in the end, all of their abilities seem to be rooted in their technology. Even their assension was based on research of an extradimensional entity...

What we have seen from the Nox, however, is not rooted in their technology but from their minds. They shield entire cities through illusions, though it seems as if it is far more than an illusion. Also, Lya could open the wormholes without even dialing it up, something not even the Ascended could do.

Once again, the Nox have superior mental abilities then the Ancients, which as I see, counts more than sheer technological advancement.

I agree with most of this. However about dialing the gate. She most likely made an illusion that the gate was not dialing so that she could help the Tollan make a fast exit. Remember they use illusions to hide or distort things. I doubt they have the mind power to establish a stable wormhole.

But could she have made an illusion of herself not disintegrating in the event horizon of the opening worm hole?  

[Squirrelfang]

Uber_Bunny

I''m going with the guys who no longer have the need for bodies.

If you remember, Oma helped the Abydonians assend as well. Are you saying the Abydonians are more advanced than the Nox?

Once again, the Ancients'' ascent was based on research done on an ascended being. They did not completely achieve this by enlightenment.

In any respect, I think the Nox are more enlightened than even the Ascended.  

[Kazi-Kun]

Lindelea

Kazi-Kun

Squirrelfang

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Yes, the Ancients do have all of these advanced technologies (Stargates, Puddle Jumpers, etc). However, in the end, all of their abilities seem to be rooted in their technology. Even their assension was based on research of an extradimensional entity...

What we have seen from the Nox, however, is not rooted in their technology but from their minds. They shield entire cities through illusions, though it seems as if it is far more than an illusion. Also, Lya could open the wormholes without even dialing it up, something not even the Ascended could do.

Once again, the Nox have superior mental abilities then the Ancients, which as I see, counts more than sheer technological advancement.

I agree with most of this. However about dialing the gate. She most likely made an illusion that the gate was not dialing so that she could help the Tollan make a fast exit. Remember they use illusions to hide or distort things. I doubt they have the mind power to establish a stable wormhole.

But could she have made an illusion of herself not disintegrating in the event horizon of the opening worm hole?

She could have made the illusion she was still standing there when she could have been down next to Daniel or anywhere else int he room for that matter.  

[Squirrelfang]

Kazi-Kun

Lindelea

Kazi-Kun

Squirrelfang

MerlynLover

definetely the Ancients, cuz they built the Stargates!!!
they built the puddle jumpers!
they built the thing that made Jack and Teal'c repeat the same day over and over!
they made the thing that destroyed the replicators!
etc., etc., etc.!!!!!!!!!!!
-Merlyn-

Yes, the Ancients do have all of these advanced technologies (Stargates, Puddle Jumpers, etc). However, in the end, all of their abilities seem to be rooted in their technology. Even their assension was based on research of an extradimensional entity...

What we have seen from the Nox, however, is not rooted in their technology but from their minds. They shield entire cities through illusions, though it seems as if it is far more than an illusion. Also, Lya could open the wormholes without even dialing it up, something not even the Ascended could do.

Once again, the Nox have superior mental abilities then the Ancients, which as I see, counts more than sheer technological advancement.

I agree with most of this. However about dialing the gate. She most likely made an illusion that the gate was not dialing so that she could help the Tollan make a fast exit. Remember they use illusions to hide or distort things. I doubt they have the mind power to establish a stable wormhole.

But could she have made an illusion of herself not disintegrating in the event horizon of the opening worm hole?

She could have made the illusion she was still standing there when she could have been down next to Daniel or anywhere else int he room for that matter.

This is truly turning into conspiracy theory, and while she probably could do such things, there is a major gap between ability and intent.

The major flaw with this theory lies in the strict code of ethids the Nox follow. I don't believe this code would allow Lya to mislead countless people merely for the purpose of creating a sense of awe. Also, it must be said that there is a danger in creating such an illusion. Say someone walks towards the Stargate when it reopens and gets disintigrated? She would then have to undo the illusion, which would lead to a rather awekward moment. Why would she risk so much for something that the Nox do not care about?

Afterall, they hid their technology from us when we were about to fight Apophis. Why would they suddenly try to make us think they were even more advanced then they actually are when there is absolutely nothing to gain or lose by doing so?  

[Grammar King]

Well, that would depend, advanced evolutionwise, or technology?

Evolution - Nox, easily. I don't think I've seen what kind of thing the Ancients can do without technology.

Technology - Ancients. Because of all the above comments.

Greatest/most powerful - Asgard. They're still around, so they're more powerful. The Nox are all but gone, and the Ancients don't seem to be anywhere.  

[Squirrelfang]

Grammar King

Well, that would depend, advanced evolutionwise, or technology?

Evolution - Nox, easily. I don't think I've seen what kind of thing the Ancients can do without technology.

Technology - Ancients. Because of all the above comments.

Greatest/most powerful - Asgard. They're still around, so they're more powerful. The Nox are all but gone, and the Ancients don't seem to be anywhere.

Good point, but with the Asgard, they are a dying race. They have lost the ability to reproduce. The only reason they are still around is because they keep cloning themselves, which is the very source of this problem.

Also, a final point against the Ancient technology. They cannot completely control their technology and have lost control of it twise. First, their time machine that places planets in a time loop. Secondly, their super energy source that resulted in the destruction of an entire planet!

As advanced as they are, I am of the opinion that a race that, despite all of its advanced technologies, is virtually in harmony with nature beats out one that had nearly destroyed itself with its technology.