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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:24 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:29 am
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:58 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 4:59 pm
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The following are listed in one of the Witchcraft guilds, The Crooked Way - A Traditional Witchcraft Guild. I don't know if they fit your requierments or not, but I thought I'd post them anyways.
Books Call of the Horned Piper - Nigel Jackson ***MUST HAVE*** Masks of Misrule - Nigel Jackson The Witching Way of the Hollow Hill - Robin Artisson ***MUST HAVE*** Helsongs - Robin Artisson The Way of Wyrd - Brian Bates ***MUST HAVE*** The Robert Cochrane Letters - Robert Cochrane Flying Witches: The Unguenti Sabbati in Traditional Witchcraft - Michael Howard The Sacred Ring - Michael Howard Sacred Mask, Sacred Dance - Evan Jones The Roebuck in the Thicket - Evan Jones Hedge Witch - Rae Beth *Good practical introductory book* Hedge Witches' Way - Rae Beth *Good practical introductory book*
Also here are a couple of links (also courtesy of the above guild)... Dark Art Hedgewytchery
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:02 pm
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:29 pm
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Sanguina Cruenta Vice Captain
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Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:35 pm
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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 12:32 am
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:31 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 2:45 pm
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:17 pm
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Verbeley Sanguina-chan She's looking for a good source on witchcraft ^_^ No, I meant what she includes to witchcraft and what to religion. And yeah most book about magic are about rituals or wicca, as it was actually by wicca promoted as something good and available for normal people. I suggest looking for books of direct section- like stones, herbs, spells, etc instead of those with witchcraft in title. That's why I'm asking of what you see useful for you, rather than what's not. Mea A general book on witchcraft; I'm not too interested in the specializations right now. I don't think I'd be any good at looking at specific areas and trying to tie them all together.
I'm trying to find information on witchcraft that does not involve working with deity and that is not tied to any religion. I'm not sure how much more plainly I can phrase it than that.
And I don't really see the prominence of book-store Wicca to excuse the horrible mangling book publishers and writers are doing to the practice of witchcraft; that would be like me cross-breeding two different types of dogs until one breed is almost extinct and then justifying it with "lawl, but i made a new breed of dog!!!"
Also, I believe that witchcraft has always been available to "normal" people; it certainly hasn't been limited to who works with it aside from religious requirements prohibiting them.
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:09 am
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:20 am
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I see people who show a great deal of disdain for 'religious based witchcraft'.
Kids, witchcraft. like prayer or things kosher, started with religion. The basis of most of what we do and how it works is not JUST a magic system, it's based in religion.
How is it really possible to have one without the other?
"Oh, well, I use THESE herbs, which is standard throughout a lot of usages in different paths...."
The herbs were tried, tested, and proved true. How their usage was viewed dealt from a religious standpoint.
That's pretty impossible to fill, being that Wicca is based on ceremonial magic.
You're right about the Rede. American witches use them as gospel, but they're not. They're advice. A suggestion. Any traditionalist will tell you that. But as you're asking about a paradox of the nature of the thing: " I am not looking for spell-working systems that involves deity." If you look at ANY magical system, they involve diety. Even satanists, who just see deity as themselves.
Instead of focusing on just magic, how about learning more about wicca itself? Try Adian Kelly's book Inventing Witchcraft.
You might surprise yourself.
But as for what you're looking for, I understand...owever, I do not think it is possible. I have never seen a book that was based solely on magic. Believe me, I've tried looking for such a thing. The closest you might come is alchemy, but it still has religious overtones. ANY magical system has religious overtones. Voodoo has Orishnas. Ceremonial magic has archangels. The closest would be zen philosophy, but that's not nessecarily the kind of thing you're looking for, is it?
Anything that you would find that was non-religious would probably have to do with Harry Potter or card tricks. ninja
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:33 pm
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Korealia I see people who show a great deal of disdain for 'religious based witchcraft'. And why not? Witchcraft isn't a religion.
Quote: Kids, witchcraft. like prayer or things kosher, started with religion. The basis of most of what we do and how it works is not JUST a magic system, it's based in religion. Erm, no? Witchcraft is a practice. A PRACTICE. And don't call me "kid;" I'm hardly a child.
Quote: How is it really possible to have one without the other? It's very possible. I'm acquainted with a few agnostic/atheist witches. Try again.
Quote: "Oh, well, I use THESE herbs, which is standard throughout a lot of usages in different paths...." The herbs were tried, tested, and proved true. How their usage was viewed dealt from a religious standpoint. What is your source on that? I hardly see where religion ties into the effects a specific herb has.
Quote: That's pretty impossible to fill, being that Wicca is based on ceremonial magic. Except I'm not looking for Wicca. Care to read the OP again?
Quote: You're right about the Rede. American witches use them as gospel, but they're not. They're advice. A suggestion. Any traditionalist will tell you that. But as you're asking about a paradox of the nature of the thing: " I am not looking for spell-working systems that involves deity." If you look at ANY magical system, they involve diety. Even satanists, who just see deity as themselves. Actually, Neo-"Wiccans" use it as gospel, not witches. I know some witches who scoff at the Rede. And no, not every magical system involves deity. Where do you keep pulling these claims from? When an atheist practices witchcraft how is it involving deity?
Quote: Instead of focusing on just magic, how about learning more about wicca itself? Try Adian Kelly's book Inventing Witchcraft. I have my beliefs thank you, and I wouldn't dare trade them for Wicca. How presumptuous of you to assume that I would toss away my beliefs to go pursue Wicca. I really have no ToS-appropriate terms to tell you what I think of this statement of yours.
Quote: You might surprise yourself. A lot of things would surprise me right now, however none of them would be coming from myself.
Quote: But as for what you're looking for, I understand...however, I do not think it is possible. So you respond to do what then? Judging by your previous statements I don't think you know what I'm looking for, seeing as how you're using Wicca and witchcraft synonymously.
Quote: I have never seen a book that was based solely on magic. Believe me, I've tried looking for such a thing. The closest you might come is alchemy, but it still has religious overtones. ANY magical system has religious overtones. Voodoo has Orishnas. Ceremonial magic has archangels. The closest would be zen philosophy, but that's not nessecarily the kind of thing you're looking for, is it? Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I've never seen Slovakia with my own two eyes, but I'm pretty damn certain it's there.
Quote: Anything that you would find that was non-religious would probably have to do with Harry Potter or card tricks. ninja Oh how quaint; a Harry Potter reference. You must be so proud of yourself for thinking that up, since no one else has ever done it before.
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Violet Song jat Shariff Crew
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 8:20 pm
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