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Mini_Angel_1994

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:16 pm


Al salamu alaykom;

The best thing that I've ever done in my life, is that I wore Hijab, I'm very proud of it. But the one thing I can't understand, why do girls delay it when they're like in university! I mean Hijab is really important!! Every girl should try putting Hijab on, and it's not as bad as it seems. It protects us. I can't really seem to understand what is wrong with Hijab? The only reason I wore it at my age ( I'm going to be 14 on 25th of October ) Is because my parents said it was too early for you, and wear it when you feel most ready. So I did it! I know every human is a sinner, but shouldn't you just stop your sins and do whatever Allah tells you?

Try it, just try it, and the thawab will be yours, and remember, it is an order from Allah, you're disobeying Allah!! Isn't he the only worthy to be worshiped? Then why don't you worship him in the way he wants?

I can't seem to understand; so those who doesn't wear hijab, why don't you wear it? Is something wrong with it?

Just let us imagine, that if the whole girls in the world, wore hijab, wouldn't it just be the greatest thing?
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 6:03 am


Mini_Angel_1994
Al salamu alaykom;

The best thing that I've ever done in my life, is that I wore Hijab, I'm very proud of it. But the one thing I can't understand, why do girls delay it when they're like in university! I mean Hijab is really important!! Every girl should try putting Hijab on, and it's not as bad as it seems. It protects us. I can't really seem to understand what is wrong with Hijab? The only reason I wore it at my age ( I'm going to be 14 on 25th of October ) Is because my parents said it was too early for you, and wear it when you feel most ready. So I did it! I know every human is a sinner, but shouldn't you just stop your sins and do whatever Allah tells you?

Try it, just try it, and the thawab will be yours, and remember, it is an order from Allah, you're disobeying Allah!! Isn't he the only worthy to be worshiped? Then why don't you worship him in the way he wants?

I can't seem to understand; so those who doesn't wear hijab, why don't you wear it? Is something wrong with it?

Just let us imagine, that if the whole girls in the world, wore hijab, wouldn't it just be the greatest thing?

That's a good question... But people are diffrent 3nodding

And many people don't know it, example my sister... She don't litsen, but she got told the reason... And now she is more interrested.

People rarely know anything these days, belive me!



I also think only intelligent girls wear hijab!


But a excuse is "Who whill marry her if she wears hijab?"

The answer is "Allah already desided who is gonna marry who"

Zaakii


BubbleBerry Tea

Liberal Witch

PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:37 pm


I don't, simply for the fact that I don't follow that religion.
I really don't see the point to begin with. ._.;
It's about modesty, right?
Isn't it entirely possible to keep yourself covered without hijab?
(I don't mean to offend, I just really don't understand.)
PostPosted: Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:44 pm


As a responce to Zaaki, I guess you're right, Allah already planned everything for us, and it doesn't matter, for me if Hijab won't let me get married, then I won't! Simply, because maybe Allah doesn't want me to get married, isn't that possibly the reason? And we all know that Allah always wants the best for us.

And as a responce to Believe, well, I guess when you start to know what Allah is about, forgivness and kindness, and everything which is sweet, you'll just fall in love, and do everything, maybe sacrifice yourself, wearing Hijab is one of the things which the most merciful told us, one of his names is the most merciful, why just don't I follow him, maybe Hijab will be mercy for every girl who wears it. And Hijab isn't only about wearing headscarf, it's also about covering up your whole body, and there's a wisdom behind covering your hair. It's just Allah's order, we just shouldn't say, why we must do that? Frankly, whoever just don't believe in Allah, will disobey him, if you guys really love Allah, and really really think that he's the most worthy to be worshipped, then you should do everything he says, including Hijab..

Mini_Angel_1994


dark__sunshin
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:48 am


My challenge to you
Alsalam Alaykum!

To me, the obligations of hijab are clear, explicit, and detailed when I look at both the Quran and the Sunna. There is no question in my mind; I am convinced that Allah SWT has indeed commanded hijab. Inshallah, and Frankly, I don't see any other interpretation.

If we are agreed that the Quran and the Sunna do command hijab, then the real question is: how important is it to you to follow what Allah SWT has commanded in the Quran and Sunna?

It's your choice. Is it important for you to obey Allah SWT? Do you think you should submit your will to His? Do you believe that He knows what is best for you? Do you think that if you dislike what He has commanded, you should be the one to change, not Him? Are you willing to set aside your dislike and to try to seek the wisdom in what He has commanded? Are you motivated to try to surrender to Him even though it may be difficult for you? Is the promise of Jannah worth going through some hardship now?

Please consider each of these questions. If you are sincere in your commitment to Allah SWT, and in your choice of Islam as a religion, don't you think you should give hijab a try?!



Afterword: If you're coming to think that hijab is part of the way that you want to serve Allah SWT, but you're not sure how to get there from here, read some tips about it and Inshallah it'll help you :3 !


Wasalam ~ ~
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:35 am


dark__sunshin
My challenge to you
Alsalam Alaykum!

To me, the obligations of hijab are clear, explicit, and detailed when I look at both the Quran and the Sunna. There is no question in my mind; I am convinced that Allah SWT has indeed commanded hijab. Inshallah, and Frankly, I don't see any other interpretation.

If we are agreed that the Quran and the Sunna do command hijab, then the real question is: how important is it to you to follow what Allah SWT has commanded in the Quran and Sunna?

It's your choice. Is it important for you to obey Allah SWT? Do you think you should submit your will to His? Do you believe that He knows what is best for you? Do you think that if you dislike what He has commanded, you should be the one to change, not Him? Are you willing to set aside your dislike and to try to seek the wisdom in what He has commanded? Are you motivated to try to surrender to Him even though it may be difficult for you? Is the promise of Jannah worth going through some hardship now?

Please consider each of these questions. If you are sincere in your commitment to Allah SWT, and in your choice of Islam as a religion, don't you think you should give hijab a try?!



Afterword: If you're coming to think that hijab is part of the way that you want to serve Allah SWT, but you're not sure how to get there from here, read some tips about it and Inshallah it'll help you :3 !


Wasalam ~ ~


I totally agree with you!

Hijab made me feel confident, alot more powerful, and what is important, near to Allah.

I totally recommend it!

Mini_Angel_1994


dark__sunshin
Vice Captain

PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:52 am


Mini_Angel_1994
dark__sunshin
My challenge to you
Alsalam Alaykum!

To me, the obligations of hijab are clear, explicit, and detailed when I look at both the Quran and the Sunna. There is no question in my mind; I am convinced that Allah SWT has indeed commanded hijab. Inshallah, and Frankly, I don't see any other interpretation.

If we are agreed that the Quran and the Sunna do command hijab, then the real question is: how important is it to you to follow what Allah SWT has commanded in the Quran and Sunna?

It's your choice. Is it important for you to obey Allah SWT? Do you think you should submit your will to His? Do you believe that He knows what is best for you? Do you think that if you dislike what He has commanded, you should be the one to change, not Him? Are you willing to set aside your dislike and to try to seek the wisdom in what He has commanded? Are you motivated to try to surrender to Him even though it may be difficult for you? Is the promise of Jannah worth going through some hardship now?

Please consider each of these questions. If you are sincere in your commitment to Allah SWT, and in your choice of Islam as a religion, don't you think you should give hijab a try?!



Afterword: If you're coming to think that hijab is part of the way that you want to serve Allah SWT, but you're not sure how to get there from here, read some tips about it and Inshallah it'll help you :3 !


Wasalam ~ ~


I totally agree with you!

Hijab made me feel confident, alot more powerful, and what is important, near to Allah.

I totally recommend it!

i got the same feelings when i first wore the Hijab =) !!
PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:27 pm


Mini_Angel_1994
I'm very proud of it. But the one thing I can't understand, why do girls delay it when they're like in university!

I see it as another irritating piece of cloth, donned for the sake of "modesty"
It's a stupid piece of cloth in my opinion. Whether or not you wear it shouldn't be a determination of how "modest" or "chaste" a woman is.
I say this because I'm not Muslim, and I don't see the point. But since it is commanded by God in the Qu'ran, I suppose there's a reason for it for Muslim women.

Mini_Angel_1994
It protects us.

From what? Lustful thoughts? From rape? Rape is a matter of dominance, not lust. You could be walking in a burqa and it wouldn't matter to the guy who wanted to rape you.

Mini_Angel_1994
I can't really seem to understand what is wrong with Hijab?

It's extra clothing. Doesn't go with my Army uniform. I'd rather wear a beanie when it gets cold. And not deal with it while I'm life guarding in my swimsuit. I don't see the point as a non-Muslim.
Mini_Angel_1994
So I did it! I know every human is a sinner, but shouldn't you just stop your sins and do whatever Allah tells you?

I'd like to have a better reason why God tells me to do something, but that's just me. Just for the sake of being "modest" sounds rather shallow.

Mini_Angel_1994
Isn't he the only worthy to be worshiped? Then why don't you worship him in the way he wants?

If putting a piece of cloth on my head is the best way to worship God, I'd say God is pretty shallow. Seriously, why should the Lord God care that much about a piece of cloth? He should be more concerned about what is going on inside your heart and mind, not external. Now I'm not suggesting that people should worship in the nude and whatnot, but that people shouldn't focus so much on the external while focusing.

Mini_Angel_1994
Just let us imagine, that if the whole girls in the world, wore hijab, wouldn't it just be the greatest thing?
NO.
Id feel oppressed because I haven't gotten a single good answer on why the hijab is worn. I'm not convinced it's all that amazing.
Maybe for you, but not for me.


Slick Southpaw


Feral Faun


Mini_Angel_1994

PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:27 am


Ok, Ratri, I seem to have alot to say.

When you understand that Allah is the one who made everyone, including me and you. And put you in your mother's womb. I guess you'll never have to say anything. Because he just has to say, and we will do. I'm not saying that Allah (SWT) doesn't care about us. He cares about us, he loves us, he wants us to be happy. But that will happen when we go to Jannah inshallah. And this life we're living, it's just a test, and we're supposed to work to go to Jannah. Working includes obeying God in everything he says.

Let me explain what Hijab is all about. We all agree that Allah created us. And he's the one who knows the body parts, from the cell, to the full body. And he knows what are the emotions that can come up. Such as love, friendship, hate. He's the one who created us, he knows what can happen if something goes that way. There's a hadith I guess, it goes that way: No woman and man get together alone, and the shaytan third one in the room. So, Allah knows that a human is a sinner, and he has a weak body, maybe fall for things. So, when a girl goes out, wearing make up, most of her body out. Allah knows since the world beginning that some guy will have certain emotions, and something really bad will happen ( God forbid ). So it's important to protect ourselves before something bad will happen. And along with Hijab, many rules come. Such as, never go out of the country without ( Father, brother, nephew). And no women and man should get together alone in the same room. Even during engagement, the couple shouldn't go out together, or sit together in the same room alone. Without having ( Father, brother ) in the room along with them. The only condition is allowed in is when they get married in Allah's way.

I'm not saying Hijab only protects a girl, there are some girls who wear Hijab and they have not that much of faith , they date, they go out alone with their boyfriends. 100% something is going to happen, I mean, not from the first time, but if it repeated something is going to happen. Hijab wouldn't do anything to this girl. Because she didn't follow the rules that come along with Hijab. Of course that's not the way Allah wants us to be. He wants Hijab with good deeds, following the rules. Can you understand? I mean, Hijab comes along with those rules. There's no way that Hijab can do anything without following the rules I said. It'll be as you said: EXTRA CLOTH. It wouldn't do anything. Excuse me for what I'm about to say, you're not a guy, so may not understand it. I may be able to convince a guy with Hijab because he might know what I was talking about.
PostPosted: Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:31 pm


Mini_Angel_1994

When you understand that Allah is the one who made everyone, including me and you.

I am in perfect agreement with this.
Mini_Angel_1994
So, Allah knows that a human is a sinner, and he has a weak body, maybe fall for things. So, when a girl goes out, wearing make up, most of her body out. Allah knows since the world beginning that some guy will have certain emotions, and something really bad will happen ( God forbid ).

Then you are assuming that God has no faith in human self control. That God does not acknowledge that while humans are weak, they are made in his image. If humans were inherently evil as you propose, then there would be no hope for the human race. Yet women walk uncovered, unmolested. Many women do not suffer from these "evil" intentions, as you speak of. You place emphasis on the outside rather than internal.That what is on the outside sires evil intentions.
Mini_Angel_1994
So it's important to protect ourselves before something bad will happen.


There's always a potential for something bad to happen in life. You might as well lock yourself in a room if you're going off of that reasoning.


I will put a quote from my holy scriptures for you to ponder, because your hadiths do not make sense to me, as I do not see enough justification.

Nothing that goes into someone from outside can make that person unclean; it is the things that come out of someone that make that person unclean.
Anyone who has ears for listening should listen!'
When he had gone into the house, away from the crowd, his disciples questioned him about the parable.
He said to them, 'Even you -- don't you understand? Can't you see that nothing that goes into someone from outside can make that person unclean, because it goes not into the heart but into the stomach and passes into the sewer? And he went on, 'It is what comes out of someone that makes that person unclean. For it is from within, from the heart, that evil intentions emerge: fornication, theft, murder, adultery, avarice, malice, deceit, indecency, envy, slander, pride, folly.
All these evil things come from within and make a person unclean.'
(Mk 7:15-23)


I cannot agree with your reasoning. You put on a piece of cloth for something that MAY happen. You separate men and women for something that MAY happen. Does your Allah punish men and women simply for thinking lustful thoughts? Even if it is for a brief moment? If so, then Muslims are in for harsh punishments indeed, as we are all sexual creatures.
If I'm in a room with a man who is not related to me doesn't mean he is going to feel me up the moment the third party member leaves. If I don't wear something to cover my head, it doesn't mean I'm going to get bothered by idiots walking down the street.
There's always a risk in such things happening, to deny it would be stupid, but these measures are rather...primitive in my opinion. I see no justification still.

Mini_Angel_1994
i'm not saying Hijab only protects a girl, there are some girls who wear Hijab and they have not that much of faith , they date, they go out alone with their boyfriends. 100% something is going to happen,

psht. obviously 'wild muslim girls who date' should have a talk with catholic couples who date then rolleyes
most catholic couples that I know have dated and had no tragedy whatsoever. We still say no to premarital sex, and most of them have turned out to be pretty decent and wonderful marriages. We encourage modest covering, but we don't say it's "GODS COMMAND TO WEAR THIS AND IF YOU DATE YOU'LL GET INTO HUGE TROUBLE"

100% of the time, something will happen, that is a given, but what will happen is an entirely different matter that you haven't clarified upon...can you predict exactly what will happen for each and every situation? Every time? stare

Mini_Angel_1994
He wants Hijab with good deeds, following the rules. Can you understand?

Nope. Look, when we follow rules in Catholicism as established by God, we have something called doctrine; it explains why we follow the rules. There is reasoning behind what we follow. Clear-cut reasoning.
You have not given me any clear notion except of some vague future of something that MAY happen. What are, all Muslims suddenly prophets, able to predict the future of a woman who doesn't wear the piece of cloth and what would happen if a woman is alone with a man?

Mini_Angel_1994
I mean, Hijab comes along with those rules. There's no way that Hijab can do anything without following the rules I said. It'll be as you said: EXTRA CLOTH. It wouldn't do anything. Excuse me for what I'm about to say, you're not a guy, so may not understand it. I may be able to convince a guy with Hijab because he might know what I was talking about.

I doubt you'd be able to convince a guy if he's not Muslim
rolleyes


Slick Southpaw


Feral Faun


Mini_Angel_1994

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 5:21 am


Not all muslims are prophets, they quote and say what they have learnt from Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

Let me clearify this one, I'm not saying that Allah doesn't trust a human being. He created them this way. This is part of his test. Let me tell you an example. If there's a snake outside, would you go out? No, if you really need to go out, you'd avoid the snake's place, and probably put on long pants and be really careful. I'm not saying men are like snakes. I'm saying that whenever you know that something bad might happen. You'd protect yourself. Probably the snake isn't going to bite you, but there's a chance that it might bite you. But still, you keep away!

Again, there are things that makes us happy, but could harm us. Like, smoking for example. It eases the worriness, but it harms your lungs, might as well cause you cancer ( God forbid ). But there's a chance it wouldn't! But a wise man, wouldn't do it!! Because simply, it might harm me and cause me cancer!

The same thing goes for women and men. I know that they're not going to attack you once you go out in the street not covering yourself! But there's a slight chance that some guy will look at you and probably have feelings!

Islam goes like a whole life style, you can't do half of it, you should follow it in a full way. No disobeying, because Allah (SWT) created us, he would know everything! Allah knows everything, he knows since the begining of the world, that they will invent computer, and then they will invent internet, then they'll make gaia, then my father will buy a computer and connect it to the internet, then Allah knows that I'm going to find gaia, and join, then my friend would tell me about this guild, and I'm going to make this post, and I'll meet you here, and say these exact words! Allah knows everything. So don't tell me that he doesn't trust us!Allah knows because he's the one who created us! Allah knows because he decided what will this universe be, what will I think of a person when I first meet him, what are my charactiristics, honesty; liar, hateful, lovable!

And Allah (SWT) made his rules, based on these things that he first created. The goal of this world is to test us, Allah is testing us, would we understand the truth, and follow Allah. And protect ourselves, and go to Allah when we make sins? That's what the test is about!
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:51 am


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Does your Allah punish men and women simply for thinking lustful thoughts? Even if it is for a brief moment? If so, then Muslims are in for harsh punishments indeed, as we are all sexual creatures.



NO scream

Allah does not punishes us for lustful thoughts or intentions, but when we perform what we indented then HE punishes us..


and Also when we think about good or intend good then if we forget(probably are unable to do) then Allah gives us reward... 3nodding

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Slick Southpaw


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:07 am


tassan
Quote:
Does your Allah punish men and women simply for thinking lustful thoughts? Even if it is for a brief moment? If so, then Muslims are in for harsh punishments indeed, as we are all sexual creatures.



NO scream

Allah does not punishes us for lustful thoughts or intentions, but when we perform what we indented then HE punishes us..


and Also when we think about good or intend good then if we forget(probably are unable to do) then Allah gives us reward... 3nodding

Then why wear the hijab if a woman's lack of modesty is said to inspire lustful thoughts?
And not everyone acts on their lustful thoughts.

Angel, I'll answer you later. Ive got a parenting class to go to and I want to have another in depth conversation.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 1:55 pm


ok,
I understand why the women wear the hijab,
but i think it should depend on the person wither or not to wear it like some have said.

I myself (if i was female) would not wear it only because something/someone say i should,
I wear it only if i deemed it necessary to do so.

I have seen many Muslim women who do not wear hijabs,
yet they look no less happy then any other person i see.
I understand that it helps them stay pure or clean (sorry forgot what it was called), but the truth is unless they are like that at heart then whats the point of wearing it.

how they represent them self is more important then anything else (IMO anyway), so having a hijab wouldnt make a difference (once again IMO)

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Scarlett Nerd

PostPosted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 2:12 pm


Quote:
The same thing goes for women and men. I know that they're not going to attack you once you go out in the street not covering yourself! But there's a slight chance that some guy will look at you and probably have feelings!


Im sorry but i disagree with that,
maybe its just me but I have never had feelings for anyone because of their looks. I have always developed feelings for the person based on how they act and treat others. How they carry them self also plays a big part in it as well.

granted most men might look at a woman and say wow shes beautiful,
but thats just an attraction to physical looks it has nothing to do with feelings other then his lust and just because he feels that does not mean the woman feels the same way for him. Looks mean nothing in a relationship, feelings of true love and willingness to give anything and everything for that person is all that should matter (IMO).

I mean tell me none of you here have ever seen a random person on the street and felt some sort of physical attraction to that person, even if it was for just a second or 2.
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