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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:26 pm
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We usually talk about relatively light hearted things so I thought I'd throw something different into the mix.
Abortion and Stem cell research since they kind of tie together. Throw out opinions, tell me what you think. Are you for? Against? Tell me even if you think you'll offend me. I won't be offended. Infact, I enjoy a good debate.
My opinion to get this started: I support abortion. Why I support abortion is I think it should be the woman's choice. And there are some circumstances where I think it should definetely be allowed, as in rape. If you end up pregnant from a rape I believe you should be allowed to abort the pregnancy. If they know you by name in the abortion clinic because it's your third abortion in the past six months, tenth in the past year and a half, then there's a problem though. But I do not support those abortions they do, I don't know or can't recall what they're called, where the baby could possibly survive outside the womb with support.
I support stem cell research on aborted fetuses. I believe that if you're just going to throw it away, basically what they do, then you should atleast get some use out of it. That could be a cruel way of thinking about it but it's somewhat similar to what I think of vegetarianism/veganism. It's already dead, why not eat it? It'll just go to waste if I don't eat it. If the fetus is aborted and already dead, why not use it for research? It'll just be thrown away if we don't use it. And if the research goes how we think it will then it can save lifes. Thousands of people die on organ donor waiting lists.
I'm typically not an opinionated person but this is one thing I do happen to have opinions on.
So go ahead, bash my opinions into the dust, or support them with your own, stay neutral if you'd like.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 2:46 am
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I luvs a good debate I do :3 Anyway just to be clear: I don't know much about stem cell research >< anyway:
Abortion: My view on it is basically teh difference between personal feelings vs personal rights. So I belive 100% that everyone should have the right to an abortion by law, and that it's completely worng for governments to try and stop it (since, frankly, it's going to happen anyway.) if you scrap teh law, you just end up with a load of dead or injured mothers who's tried to have an illegal abortion anyway and then wonder why they get torn/infertile/an infection. That saud, personally I view it as taking a life, which is sad. I don't tink i'd ever have one - because personally I couldn't live with myself. But I still belive people should be able to make their own choice, and I'd never judge anyone for having one.
Stem Cell research: As far as I knew, stem cell research involved creating some (albeit early developed) living foetuses which you then subsequently kill while you get the stem cell stuff. so it's creating batches of life for no other purpose than just to kill them. That seemed wrong to me. But, if as zizzy says, you can get the exact same results from using already long-dead foetuses, then i'd support it. It's only like someone dedicating their body to science. Like zizzy says- a corpse is a corpse.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 6:11 am
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 12:32 pm
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So we agree on abortion it should be choice.
but as for stem cells, I probably don't know as much about it as I think, but you can use aborted fetuses to get stem cells and if you do the abortion early enough the fetus wouldn't be able to live outside the womb so it would be dead. It can't be long dead as you said though, they have to get the stem cells from it relatively quickly for them to still be alive, atleast that's how I understand it.
And you can use your own stem cells but it is extremely painful. To get stem cells from a person they typically have to get it from bone marrow and the biggest bone in the body is the femur. So to get the stem cells, imagine this happening to you it makes me squirm, they take a big needle, numb your leg, and jab it in there past the skin, past the muscle, into the bone. Now they can numb it but they can't numb down that far so you can still feel it going through bone and muscle.
Imagining that makes my legs feel all tingly and just freaks me out a bit.
My anatomy teacher was talking about stem cell research one day and told us about that lady who got the voice box implant from her own stem cells and that's when he told us about how they get stem cells from a human body. The whole class looked uncomfortable thinking about that needle going into their leg.
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:28 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 3:44 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:33 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 4:46 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:01 pm
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:45 am
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Posted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:48 am
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